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Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Whoever hired you in the finance world got a rough deal.
Their whole club is just basically a PR Statement by one of the biggest human rights abusers in the world, so ofcourse it's expected they're going to make nonsense statements in the media to make themselves look good.
If that's your real opinion, then it's genuinely a pity that you work in finance.
Just had a look at your two posts and both of them have been about Sanchez, quite weird that an Oldham fan would be interested in Sanchez deal so much.
If that's your real opinion, then it's genuinely a pity that you work in finance.
Just had a look at your two posts and both of them have been about Sanchez, quite weird that an Oldham fan would be interested in Sanchez deal so much.
It's obvious he is "Oldham fan"
City are hilarious though since they lost Sanchez, PR in full swing.
The bolded part sums it up really well. That is why I have never cared when they won the league. There is no accomplishment there, it could have just as easily happened to Sunderland, West Brom or Stoke.
Any time Arsenal pipped us to the league I felt absolutely demoralised. With them it all just seems empty and a bit pointless.
I hope a lot of your work is done by computers. Or by 'in finance' you mean you work on the checkouts in Tesco. Even then people must get the wrong change all the time.
Pep crying about money.
I've heard it all now.
I've heard it all now.
Probably works in a call centre for Vanquis.
Would you say the same of Jose?
Did Jose say if United don't have the money and They can’t survive?
Nope. That was such an exaggeration by Pep.
This reminds me of that old dance where Donald Trump tweets something demonstrably absurd and his surrogates spend the entire news cycle trying to loosely tether it back to reality with some Olympic level semantical gymnastics. Good effort – worth a bronze at least.
And name one team who have come close to the quadruple without 22 players, because there are none who have.
Uniteds treble was amazing and as close as any have come, but it was an amazing treble with the best manager of all time in a different era and the stars absolutely alligned for you guys that season. So many later comebacks...
of course theres the CL final which was amazing (still better than Istanbul imho),
but also vs Juve (another absolute miracle).
last game of the league vs Spurs,
Arsenal after extra time in the cup.
that team was also running on empty towards the end of the season and had 4 draws in the last 8 league games. Best english team of all time by a long margin with the best manager of all time and even then everything had to fall their way just to do the treble
Do you think that team would get a look in at a quad in modern football? even with Fergie.
As good an all as that team was they fell 3 games short and just about won what they won.
No club without a stupidly expensive squad (and yes i say this as City and United both have £700m pound squads) will get through it or go close in the modern game. It's just not possible.
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No he said adding £300m to a £350m squad wasn't enough to compete...
Well yeah, but He didn't say United don't have the money or that They can't survive.
It's an over exaggeration. City is one of the clubs with the highest spending power and for him to act as if the club don't have the money is just plain stupid. It's not like people will buy into it anyway.
Hypocrisy.
If you listen to the interview instead of jumping on quotes, the guy clearly says "We have spent a lot, he has said it numerous times." He also says "we are working within a budget" and that budget despite being the 2nd biggest in world football is not going to allow us to have 22 superstars (which imho is fair as no team should have a monopoly over the league to cherry pick the top players like Bayern have in Germany or United had in the 90's). Also is said interview he's not complaining just stating it is what it is. As for the survive word I'd put that down to his english. It was just last season he kept saying "fault" instead of "foul".
Also these two quotes look like Jose saying pretty much the same thing to me.
"Do you think the club can spend £600m and buy six players of £100m? The club cannot do that and I cannot expect the club to do that so I am not being critical."
"OK, it is not enough (£300m). The price for the big clubs is different than for the other clubs. The big historical clubs, they are normally punished in the market because of that history."
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Barca and Bayern won treble without 22 world class players. He made a fecked up statement, not sure why City fans are so hell bent in supporting that.
It's not the same.
Also do you honestly think any team should have 22 top players to compete in four competitions?
Many teams proved that's not a necessity. First of all his Barcelona team.
I know it's Pep's wet dream but..
And let us not forget that when Guardiola took over the defence he inherited was this: Joe Hart, Sagna, Zabaleta, Kompany, Otamendi, Mangala, Clichy, Kolarov. Kompany was the only world class player but he's never fit, and even when he is he's not the player he used to be. All the fullbacks needed replacing, Sagna was the only reliable one defensively yet he offered nothing going forward.
They won 1 or 2 horse leagues at a canter. And again a treble isn't four competitions.
United played 63 games in 1999 in all comps and could have played 66 to win the treble.
Barca also played a lot, 62 or so games total I believe.
Bayern played 53 games in 12/13 to win their treble (a full 13 games less than it would take to win the english quadruple)
There's a difference between "We have no money" and "The club cannot do that".
Cannot do doesn't necessarily mean cannot afford.
Perhaps his english isn't that good.
And yes, I've listened to the interview.
Build a team out of 22 top players? sure and watch some of them hand in transfer requests after one season of not getting enough games. It's pretty stupid to state City has no money and need 22 top players to compete on all fronts, however you want to see it.
Shame Barca and Bayern play only in 3 competitions.
Also how many players played significant number of games in Barca and Bayern? IIRC their first 11 remained almost same. They didn't have 50 Million sub players.
The star performers for City this season were already there last season too. KDB, Silva, Fernandinho, Sterling, Aguero. The only new player who has impacted in your first team is Walker. Is anyone going to say that Walker is the difference between last season and winning the league this season? Pep should consider himself lucky he already had a world class striker and midfielders otherwise he would've spent another 200m on top of what he's already spent. Compare that to Mourinho and United didn't have an Aguero or a KDB so we had to go out and buy them in Pogba and Lukaku for a combined 165 million pounds. Even then City have spent more so I find it quite strange that Pep is moaning.
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Pep didn't say we have no money thought did he. He said "to have 22 top players, people don't believe, the money we don't have". Because top players are pretty much £100m a pop.
Also with regards Jose, yes he 100% means the club can't afford to go and buy 6 £100m players. C'mon, what else does cannot do mean?
I'm not a fan of a Premier League club, I'm just stating the real financial facts.
I don't support a Premier League club, but I do however speak financial facts. See Forbes financial report of Man United's own financial statement where you will find that what Manchester United make and what is profit are two very different things. In the last quarter they posted a 22 million pound profit due to player sales. The Sanchez deal is more borrowed money because fans seem to be getting confused with Gross Revenue (what they make) and Net Revenue (what they keep). After United have paid their running costs, the "actual" income is very minimal which makes the Sanchez deal risky and puts the club under more financial pressure. The club simply has to win trophies and stay in every competition as long as they can to break even.
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When Jose made that statement, he was criticised by United fans. Shame City fans aren't that objective.
David Silva and Aguero were both said to be in decline on here. Fernandinho was never really rated, I remember a load of people were adamant Herrera was much better. Sterling, well we all knew how shit he apparently was. Yet, now they're performing under Guardiola, we have the classic revisionism with people claiming they were always excellent and Pep inherited such a ridiculously talented squad.
And are you seriously claiming Ederson, Sane and Jesus haven't impacted in our first team?
Barca had 19 players play at least 17 games that season and their sub keeper play 10. The 20th player made only 14 and that was Pedro...
Bayern had 17 players who started at least 20 games that season in all comps and that doesn't include guys who made alot of sub appearances like Pizarro, tymoshuk, Rafinha. They had well over 20 players with over 20 appearances each for the season across 53 games.
Lets take United for example, in 1999 they had 8 players play over 50 games that season with Dennis Irwin making 48.
Barca had 5 players play 50 plus games
Bayern had 0 with a few players in the low 40's.
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Exactly.
Well then United fans were wrong because like Pep he wasn't complaining just stating a pure fact.
Now let me ask you the same question. What else does "to have 22 top players, people don't believe, the money we don't have" mean?
Pep isn't immune to criticism. Jose said stupid stuffs and He was criticized for it even by people on this forum.
And no Pep didn't state a fact. Needing 22 players to compete on 4 comps is his opinion not a fact.
But oh well, you're a City fan so...
I hope poor little Pep (who is being treated like a save) gets saved from his misery soon and a team with more money treat him right.
Probably not a best idea to use City related email id when you're showing off as Oldham Athletic fan on Caf.
That includes all the shit players, not only world class players that Pep was talking about,
It means exactly what he said. "We have shitloads of money, but not enough to buy 22 top players", its not rocket science.
No one said he's immune to criticism and I've given him my fair share many time. I didn't hear him crying about money, just you guys making that up. I heard a guy actually say "we've spent a lot but not enough to compete for a quadruple." he also implied pretty much every club and added "even City" when asked.
There is a single team who have went close to proving him wrong. Not one in English history... with all the great sides the league has had. So fair enough "fact" was the wrong word. It's just a very, very good and rational opinion.
What does who I support have to do with anything? What does that prove?
Lol.
OK I forgot Ederson but I'm talking about the last summer that just passed. Sane and Jesus were in your team last season. Why didn't these players perform last season then? The same group of players bar Ederson and Walker were already there. You can't deny that Pep inherited a much better team which is why I took exception to his claims about a tight budget. He had top players available and still went out and spent over 400 million to finally have a team who can win things. He had a good enough team to win the PL last year IMO or to be at least closer to Chelsea yet he ends the season trophyless.
No denying what he said was silly, although it's being presented as if he's crying about City not having enough money.
I think it was his way of telling the board that he's not that happy of the fact that City's board weren't prepared to pay what we were paying for Sanchez.
We only signed Jesus in January and he did perform, he performed incredibly well given the circumstances. Sane also performed well overall but took a while to settle in which was to be expected.
He did have a good enough team to challenge for the title last season, I don't think you'll find anyone claim Guardiola/City did not under-perform last season. But he's here to not just win the league but to challenge for every title, and while we had players like de Bruyne, we also had players like Clichy. Of course given City's financial power he's going to take advantage of that, he'd be foolish not to.
Possibly, it occurred to me it might be a tacit criticism of them in that regard. Having said that, all the reports suggest Guardiola accepted Sanchez was not worth breaking the wage structure for, so if he was annoyed you'd have expected at least some murmurs in the press but there have been none.