True, and it's annoying. Guess many feel as if they're apart of the club/team which is basically part of being a fanatic. Guess this is how I'm able to separate what happens on a field/pitch from my actual life.
Manchester city... ffp?
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True, and it's annoying. Guess many feel as if they're apart of the club/team which is basically part of being a fanatic. Guess this is how I'm able to separate what happens on a field/pitch from my actual life.
Yeah. Manchester was already known to most so at first they could ride on our coat tails, but now they are known in their own right. I would have thought Newcastle a better bet at the time, but not now.
Always figured Newcastle would be the next club bought up by a foreign sugar daddy after Chelsea and United were bought out. Would have made more sense for the Sheikh to have bought an established Newcastle club with brand appeal over City, but perhaps they wanted the "Manchester" brand in the push to global marketing.
Ashley isn't broke by any stretch so it's not like Newcastle are skint but they could have become a mega-club with the Sheikh's billions.
@antihenry - Where did I say your about to go under? Not once. I also never said you are incapable of managing it either. I asked why a £1bn loan in your eyes is safe for a club than £1bn put in and no threat of it ever being demanded back.
So angry.. that your making up my points for me.
@duffer - Exactly, people who use City as a yardstick to beat FFP obviously don't understand what it is and use it as an I'm jealous issue. Like I'm sure you guys had to go through before FFP with the "ruining football" shite you had to put up with. Its why I'm surprised at antihenry, of all people he should understand the circumstances at City.
@MrMarcello - I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one on this site who refers to their favored club as we.
@Paz - Spurs are building organically but so far they've won nothing (albeit are getting closer), they also started from a much higher point than we did at City. Lets be honest we started from being a Yo-yo club, one year up, one year down, Spurs kind of Euro League top half. Also its much harder to build you way to the top in England, we had to not just chase down United, but Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal.
Atletico have had a great period but in the end they've went from 4th or 5th best club in Spain to 3rd best. And there they will remain without City like money.
Dortmund will never sustain the success they had over Bayern under Klopp. Those clubs have had short term success and than kind of returned to being best of the rest Juve aside who were always Italy's biggest club.
City aren't in it to try and grab a couple of titles and fall back to Europa League or not challenging (which is ironically what we have done) but are spending to be constantly there with United and Chelsea.
The Dortmunds, Atletico's will have their phases here and there but will they ever be able to consistently match the Bayerns, Reals and Barca who can just come along and cherry big their best talent.
Sure you can win a title but can you maintain challenging the already established top dogs? which has to be the end goal for City given the crazy investment.
There was a time when I felt a little uncomfortable with what we are becoming, the tapping up of players, bullying teams who we once were like for players. It took me awhile to adjust to the new Man City if I'm honest. It's certainly not the same. Not worse just different.
So angry.. that your making up my points for me.
@duffer - Exactly, people who use City as a yardstick to beat FFP obviously don't understand what it is and use it as an I'm jealous issue. Like I'm sure you guys had to go through before FFP with the "ruining football" shite you had to put up with. Its why I'm surprised at antihenry, of all people he should understand the circumstances at City.
@MrMarcello - I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one on this site who refers to their favored club as we.
@Paz - Spurs are building organically but so far they've won nothing (albeit are getting closer), they also started from a much higher point than we did at City. Lets be honest we started from being a Yo-yo club, one year up, one year down, Spurs kind of Euro League top half. Also its much harder to build you way to the top in England, we had to not just chase down United, but Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal.
Atletico have had a great period but in the end they've went from 4th or 5th best club in Spain to 3rd best. And there they will remain without City like money.
Dortmund will never sustain the success they had over Bayern under Klopp. Those clubs have had short term success and than kind of returned to being best of the rest Juve aside who were always Italy's biggest club.
City aren't in it to try and grab a couple of titles and fall back to Europa League or not challenging (which is ironically what we have done) but are spending to be constantly there with United and Chelsea.
The Dortmunds, Atletico's will have their phases here and there but will they ever be able to consistently match the Bayerns, Reals and Barca who can just come along and cherry big their best talent.
Sure you can win a title but can you maintain challenging the already established top dogs? which has to be the end goal for City given the crazy investment.
There was a time when I felt a little uncomfortable with what we are becoming, the tapping up of players, bullying teams who we once were like for players. It took me awhile to adjust to the new Man City if I'm honest. It's certainly not the same. Not worse just different.
Well I am effectively agreeing with you that there is no point 'bleating' but that doesn't mean football fans have to like what City are doing
Fact is, City may or may not win trophies but they will never be respected. Depends whether fans actually care - BlueMoon would suggest some do!
that might well be true of some / most united fans. I am not so sure of fans in general.
I am not sure its even me.
I see that but United are actually making that money where as City are being propped up. Now if these owners up and leave City are done for. As much as I support United I would hate that to happen to City.
UEFA need to be much stronger with FFP and the regulations.
When United buy a £30m player they are always intended for the first 11. The media and opposing fans will moan about how much we spend. As was the case with Lukaku recently.
City have just spent £27m on a substitute RB. Their bench will also include Stones (£50m), Sterling (£50m), Sané (£40m), Bravo (£18.7m).
This doesn't even include the likes of Nasri and Bony still on their books.
They have spent more than any other team in the last 2 seasons.
Does the media care? No
Does the media still dribble over Pep and his wonderful philosophy? Yes
They can't even fill their stadium. How can they possibly balance the books without it being through over inflated sponsorship deals.
When United buy a £30m player they are always intended for the first 11. The media and opposing fans will moan about how much we spend. As was the case with Lukaku recently.
City have just spent £27m on a substitute RB. Their bench will also include Stones (£50m), Sterling (£50m), Sané (£40m), Bravo (£18.7m).
This doesn't even include the likes of Nasri and Bony still on their books.
They have spent more than any other team in the last 2 seasons.
Does the media care? No
Does the media still dribble over Pep and his wonderful philosophy? Yes
They can't even fill their stadium. How can they possibly balance the books without it being through over inflated sponsorship deals.
can we united fans stop whinging please its very embarrassing.
city are at the top table because their owners want to spend their own money to get them there.
Thats perfectly acceptable in my book.
it was acceptable when jack walker did it
it was acceptable when ambramovich did it
it was acceptable when john hall did it
it was acceptable when john moores did it
it was acceptable when john henry davies did it.
to name just a few
if I was that rich I would be spending the money on united.
rich football fans have always bankrolled teams (and always will)
thats got to be a lot better than an owner sucking money out of a club
As a City fan living in London, I would say that virtually every supporter I meet is just as respectful of City as they are of any other club (actually they have the utmost respect of a supporter who has followed their club through three divisions). Most Arsenal and Chelsea fans I come across are entirely complimentary of City as a club, Spurs fans tend to be a little more bitter but I can understand that. Equally, most of them cite the Aguero moment as being one of the finest in the history of the PL. I don't think I have come across antihenry yet and I suspect namco lives in Narnia so I have yet to meet her.
Ironically, a lot of genuine supporters down here in London have a slightly jaundiced view of United.
who says that?
He is the reason, Chelsea is one of the most hated clubs, but keep living in denial like rest of your fan base.
Al habibi
who the feck do you think I support?
I will give you a hint, they play in red at Old Trafford
edit I have only just noticed the site changes a rude word to Feck. Top work whoever designed that
Tbf among football fans I suspect it's when you're hated that you're respected. No one gave a damn about City when they were nobodies. Now that you're achieving some success you're going to ruffle feathers, but not as many as more established rivals. You might as well take it as a positive.
I couldnt care less about FFP to be honest. If clubs have the money to spend without putting themselves at risk then so be it. City have recruited superbly so far. If they signed a decent CB and a decent CM they will surely be favourites for the league
Surprised about your obsession with the FFP.
City & PSG failed to be champions last season and reach the Champions League's QF.
City & PSG failed to be champions last season and reach the Champions League's QF.
You can add:
- Moratti / Inter Milan
- Berlusconi / Milan AC
- Dmitry Rybolovlev / Monaco
- The King of Spain who used to write off debts of Real Madrid a long time ago
- ....
Main shareholder of a club the dream
You can add:
- Moratti / Inter Milan
- Berlusconi / Milan AC
- Dmitry Rybolovlev / Monaco
- The King of Spain who used to write off debts of Real Madrid a long time ago
- ....
Main shareholder of a club the dream
can you imagine how good that would be (as long as you were rich enough to do it properly)
So you are saying when the ancestor of the Abu Dhabi royal family followed a gazelle to the island that would become Abu Dhabi in 1761 he did it because he knew it sat on massive fields of dead dinosaurs that would transform his poor fishing village descendants into one of the richest families in the world 200 years later?
That's some impressive foresight.
You only think it's acceptable because it's your club that has hit the jackpot. Don't go on a United forum if you don't want to hear United discussing how City are on the spend, spend, spend.
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City is a symptom, not the disease. The only way any club can challenge the establishment is through artificial wealth. And this is a sport, so challenging is crucial.
We're United fans, but even we should recognise how ridiculous it would be without sugar daddies. We would realistically have won probably 15 of 20 seasons. That's absurd.
But, City fans should also just stay out of any financial arguments. Yes, your family is stupidly rich and you can spend what you want. Don't try to argue about how well your vanity projects throw away money. It's not investing, it's playing. Call it what it is.
We're United fans, but even we should recognise how ridiculous it would be without sugar daddies. We would realistically have won probably 15 of 20 seasons. That's absurd.
But, City fans should also just stay out of any financial arguments. Yes, your family is stupidly rich and you can spend what you want. Don't try to argue about how well your vanity projects throw away money. It's not investing, it's playing. Call it what it is.
He thinks you're a City fan ahah
To be fair, his username does imply he is from Manchester and it's a well know facht that all Mancs are City fans.
FFP isn't really in use anymore so I don't even care about it anymore 
What did make me laugh though was:
Etihad are that great at business they decided to renegotiate their deal half way through and decided to double what they pay. Amazing business that,
What did make me laugh though was:
Etihad are that great at business they decided to renegotiate their deal half way through and decided to double what they pay. Amazing business that,
Hasn't the FFP been dropped when Platini lost his job? I mean otherwise how to explain PSG even entertaining buying Neymar?
Wow, telling people on the caf not to go on the forum to argue their case. The opposite of everything this forum seems to stand for.
Opp fans being allowed and encouraged to do that is exactly why this place is so good and something it prides itself on.
Without that this place becomes rawk or bluemoon
The fact you did it to a United fan... kinda funny.
Yeah, of course not mate - I mean, you announced Gazprom as a sponsor a few years back and it's not like Abramovich used to have a controlling interest in that company is it? Of all the companies in all the world that Chelsea could've got to sponsor them and you signed a deal with one that Abramovich just happened to have been a major shareholder of - what an amazing coincidence. You see, you might think you can pull the wool over the eyes of everyone else on this forum but you'll have to do a lot better than that with me. So now we've debunked that blatant lie, what are we left with? That's right - a bitter and sanctimonious fan who thinks it's ok for his own club to have a rich benefactor but can't stop skriking when another club follows suit. I hope we spend another £500 million this window minimum because the meltdown from you will be a sight to behold.
I'd be interested to know what your real beef with City is. Maybe you think that posting on a United forum means you have to curry favour with the reds on here by brown-nosing them with regards to any criticism of City. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that though because it's quite possible to carve out a decent niche as an opposition fan on here without constantly sucking up to the masses - your fellow Chelsea-supporting poster duffer is a good example of a hugely popular non-United fan who doesn't feel the need to ram his tongue up the arse of every United fan, and he teaches you how to behave every time. Or maybe you've had a particularly nasty run-in with City fans in the past, and this is your way of getting your hatred out. To that end, I'd at least have some empathy - most of the clubs I take a dislike to are down to my own personal experiences with the fans of those clubs rather than the clubs themselves, and there did used to be a tasty rivalry between City and Chelsea fans for a spell in the 1980's. Or maybe it's something more sinister and you don't like people with brown skin and of a certain religion owning English football clubs. After all, I bet you've never once slagged off Stoke's owner for using his own company to sponsor their shirts and stadium.
PSG have to obtain £60 Mill of additional income to buy Neymar. They will fail FFP if they don't do this.
I would assume they will follow the City model & we will see a huge influx in sponsorship from related parties which are classed as not related. There's no way they can be challenged on this. If they are letting City do it then they should be allowed to.
At the end of the day the whole FFP rules need ripping up & started again with a tighter framework.
The thing is the owner wasn't a Man City fan, he tried to buy Liverpool first. He should of bought a proper football club with history though like Everton or Leeds. A club with enough fans to fill a stadium up basically.
And no when Abrahimovic did it was seen as equally ridiculous. Both owners have basically gone onto full football manager cheat mode. What Walker did wasn't nearly as blatant.
wonder what the numbers look like for what the owners have spent so far and what they have to show for it. I would imagine that anyone would 2 brain cells to rub together would see that it is an abject failure and possibly up there with the worst financial decisions ever made...
Three first teamers and key players have already left/ leaving and there's over a month left in the transfer window. There's a good chance a couple more will leave before Aug 31st too. I'd say that team is in the process of being dismantled. I'd be very surprised if they reach anywhere near the heights of last season.
Well, he bought the club for £210m, sold a 13% stake for £265m and the club is now valued at over £2 billion. The club is self-sufficient and making a profit and the value is only going upwards. I reckon that Mansour might disagree with your assertion?
City doing great business this transfer window. They identified weaknesses and boom not only got rid of the weak links, but replaced them with senior players aswell. Hats off to them
KDB is starting to look like an obscene bargain in this squad.....and by contrast Jesus came from their youth setup.
But unfortunately, this is all going to hit United the most. Gonna have to replace Valencia at some point ;'(
But unfortunately, this is all going to hit United the most. Gonna have to replace Valencia at some point ;'(
The media doesn't care because City aren't a big story mate.
I work in the media myself and our editor told us a few months ago to stop publishing City stories online because no-one was reading them. Seriously.
If they start winning PL and CL titles consistently, then people will start to care and you'll see a lot more hatred towards City. But even then I don't think they'll generate the same level of interest as United, Liverpool and Arsenal get; people will just shrug their shoulders and go 'meh, they bought it', just as they did with Blackburn in the '90s.