Charity/Community Shields should only count in the event of a draw, as it is a draw we can rightfully claim now to be England's most successful club.
Manchester United are now officially the most successful club in England
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Surely tonight settles any debate, if it wasn't settled already? The cnuts have been knocked well and truly off their fecking perch.
Liverpool (or atleast their twitter) had already conceded that title following our League cup win. The Europa League definitely puts it beyond doubt though. Either way at the rate we're winning trophies compared to Liverpool it was only a matter of time before it became official.
I dont really care about this stat on its own.
I'm more concerned about the mid to long term improvements we are building upon.
Dress it up or down any way we like, its 4 trophies(3 major) in 2 seasons. If by some magic we copped the feck on and got more consistant and went on to win a few leagues in the next 5 seasons. Signings included of course. Then we can look back on today and last year and say. These are the shoots of success which we started from post SAF. And i'd also like LVG to get a little credit for helping that along with the FA cup win, after the way we dumped him at the end.
So heres to continued success
I'm more concerned about the mid to long term improvements we are building upon.
Dress it up or down any way we like, its 4 trophies(3 major) in 2 seasons. If by some magic we copped the feck on and got more consistant and went on to win a few leagues in the next 5 seasons. Signings included of course. Then we can look back on today and last year and say. These are the shoots of success which we started from post SAF. And i'd also like LVG to get a little credit for helping that along with the FA cup win, after the way we dumped him at the end.
So heres to continued success
I didn't dislike LVG, just didn't think he was the right manager for us. In the end, winning is what matters to us, not style, not beautiful football, not possession football. LVG brought with him his philosophy and it didn't look like we were heading back to our winning ways. Jose brought his philosophy and got us 3 trophies in one season. So it is a shame that LVG had to go, but clearly the club made the right choice. If only SAF pushed for the appointment of Jose instead of Moyes back then...
Now Liverpool fans can shut up for good.
They were saying that the Intercontinental Cup did not count.
Now, they have nothing else to say.
They were saying that the Intercontinental Cup did not count.
Now, they have nothing else to say.
I'm sure they'll find something !
SAF's tenure doesn't count.
I agree, Moyes was a mistake a step backwards after SAF. LVG was a step in the right direction but lacking in exactly what we needed to do and its good to remember he did get us to the CL, almost twice and a trophy but he had to go. Then Jose came in and he took us forward again.
And i have said it before, I believe that Jose was our first choice. I remember seeing him return to play at Old Trafford after leaveing chelsea. He walked round like he owned the place and hugged our staff, security included like they were his own. Sky even picked up on it. He walked down the ramp and looked round the empty stadium. That was it for me. I just knew he was our next manager. He had this whole air of, relax lads the king is back, going on.
I believe, as he reveled himself, he knew in December, SAF approached Jose in december of that year to offer him/persuade him to come to Old Trafford. In a post game interview around this time he said he kew for 100% one club in england. I think Chelsea knew it wasn't them and were considering asking him to return. So they made the big move for him over the winter break and were we left wondering what might have been.
Anyway here's to more trophies next season and the scousers eating sour grapes... As long as we keep improving to to be actually competing for all the trophies especially the league and CL, back where we belong.
Charity Shield's shouldn't count at all, partly because they are just a season opener. But mostly because some of the Shields on United's record are the same ones that are on Liverpool's, seeing as they used to share the trophy in the event of a draw.
To be fair, anyone would have been a step backwards after Sir Alex. Trouble is, Moyes would have been a step backwards from Herbert Bamlett.
10,000 days on September 13th.........
Anyway you cut it, we're ahead*.
League+primary domestic cup+primary euro cup: 35 - 30
League+primary domestic cup+all euro cups: 37 - 33
League+all domestic cups+all euro cups: 42 - 41
League+all domestic cups+all euro cups+ancilliary cups (ie super cups/charity shields): 64 - 60
However, there is a link between league championships -> champions league -> club world cup/intercontinental club cup, which, in my eyes, validates it**.
League+all domestic cups+all euro cups+ancilliary cups (ie super cups/charity shields)+club world cups: 66 - 60
[Wiki's list of honours page includes the league super cup in Liverpool's total, but even they'd be embarrassed to include a trophy handed out only 9 times in history. Winners include Reading & Crystal Palace, who are listed to have won no other major honours!]
*I'm drinking, so may well be screwing up the numbers.
**Liverpool played in two Intercontinental Cups and lost both. They declined to play in one and the other one was not played (they'd have lost anyway). They also lost the Club World Cup Final in 2005, after powering their way past Saprissa (Costa Rica) and errrr, no-one else. My non-empirical evidence of the importance of this game is the crowing I had to listen to from Liverpool supporters. That they lost that final is almost up there with Slippy's slip. Screw 'em. They wanted that title but weren't fricking good enough to win it. 66-60! Screw them.
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I don't know about "for good", but for now, it's irrefutable that were the most successful English team, being 1 ahead if you take the domestic cups and 3 major European cups.
Obviously if you add any of the other stuff in it's us by a long chalk
And it's irrefutable that we're the most successful team in England this season (two trophies to Chelsea's one).
Well, only if you go on the understanding that all trophies are of equal importance.
Which not many do.
So we might not be the most successful team (of all time) in England then?
I see what you dones there.