Manchester United vs. Tottenham Hotspur

I think it will be a 4-5-1 to start with considering our defensive feck ups this season:


--------------------------VDS----------------------------
O'Shea-------------Rio------------Vidic-------------Evra
------------------------Carrick--------------------------
------------Fletcher-----------------Scholes-------------
Nani------------------------------------------------Park
------------------------Berbasex------------------------
 
Cutch said:
Not underestimating them at all, just saying we should pick our best side and let them worry about how we line up, especially seeings we are at home.

I didn't say Bale has been playing at full back. I said that I would fancy Rafael and Nani to get at Bale and Assou Ekotto.
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He can get at Bale all he wants, i'd prefer he got at the actual full back though!
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
That is because you are suffering from a classic case of stupidity. Because it is becoming pretty obvious you think Bale is as special as Messi and Ronaldo.

It is not my fault you do not understand what ''he is not that special'' means.

I don't have to define special, or indicate degrees of 'speciality' to for you to grasp Bale has not yet reached the level of players who need 2 markers. A level of player that the likes of Messi and Ronaldo are in.
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I haven't made any comparisons between Bale and Messi or Ronaldo.

Nor do I particularly care whether or not Bale is double-teamed, nor whether or not he "merits" being double teamed in your opinion. If he is double-teamed it will still be hard to stop him and it would in any case open up spaces elsewhere on the pitch.
 
Vds
Brown Rio Vidic Evra
Fletcher Scholes Carrick Nani
Berba Chicha

Fletcher on the right to force Bale onto the back foot as he always pushes on. Also Fletch will provide some midfield cover.
 
Commadus said:
Vds
Brown Rio Vidic Evra
Fletcher Scholes Carrick Nani
Berba Chicha

Fletcher on the right to force Bale onto the back foot as he always pushes on. Also Fletch will provide some midfield cover.
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Yup. That works for me.

Although if Fletcher was on the right, that would allow us to pick Rafael at right back.

Fletcher can "do a Park" by playing quite narrow and Rafael would be better at giving us some width down that flank than Brown IMO.
 
Commadus said:
Vds
Brown Rio Vidic Evra
Fletcher Scholes Carrick Nani
Berba Chicha

Fletcher on the right to force Bale onto the back foot as he always pushes on. Also Fletch will provide some midfield cover.
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I can't see how playing Fletcher on the right would put Bale on the back foot. Fletchers natural tendency will probably be to come inside, and even if he does stay out wide he's never been the sort of player to peg other teams back.

If we play Nani on the right i could see Assou Ekotto having a torrid time. This means Bale will spend large portions of the game back defending, helping his full back. With the addition of Rafael bombing forward, Bale could find it hard to have an impact on the game offensively.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yup. That works for me.

Although if Fletcher was on the right, that would allow us to pick Rafael at right back.

Fletcher can "do a Park" by playing quite narrow and Rafael would be better at giving us some width down that flank than Brown IMO.
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Yes that's my only concern. If Totenham are unlikely to start with Crouch then pay Rafael if not then its Brown. Having 2 short fullbacks for Crouch to lean on will cause havoc. Having one ie Evra who has a mean jump on him and also Vidic who tandems well with Evra will be fine.

Its why at times agains the likes of Bolton we have not played with Evra because of the way Davies plays.
 
Cutch said:
I can't see how playing Fletcher on the right would put Bale on the back foot. Fletchers natural tendency will probably be to come inside, and even if he does stay out wide he's never been the sort of player to peg other teams back.

If we play Nani on the right i could see Assou Ekotto having a torrid time. This means Bale will spend large portions of the game back defending, helping his full back. With the addition of Rafael bombing forward, Bale could find it hard to have an impact on the game offensively.
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We need Flecth energy so we have to play him somewhere. Nani is good on either wing so he will be up against Hutton.

Vdv will be the key man beacuse he makes good runs into the box and no one seems to pick him up.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I haven't made any comparisons between Bale and Messi or Ronaldo..
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Oh really? You keep refuting the statement of anyone why says Bale isn't as special as those 2. Repeatedly.


GlastonSpur said:
Nor do I particularly care whether or not Bale is double-teamed, nor whether or not he "merits" being double teamed in your opinion. If he is double-teamed it will still be hard to stop him and it would in any case open up spaces elsewhere on the pitch.
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No one is going to waste time double teaming him. You can be sure of that. He is now here near as hard to stop as you claim. This you will find out the same way you found it out when you boasted about Lennon last season. The real danger in your team will stem from the RVDV-Modric combo.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Oh really? You keep refuting the statement of anyone why says Bale isn't as special as those 2. Repeatedly.


No one is going to waste time double teaming him. You can be sure of that. He is now here near as hard to stop as you claim. This you will find out the same way you found it out when you boasted about Lennon last season. The real danger in your team will stem from the RVDV-Modric combo.
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VDV definitely being the one to watch. He's surely guaranteed to score from a Crouch knock down.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yup. That works for me.

Although if Fletcher was on the right, that would allow us to pick Rafael at right back.

Fletcher can "do a Park" by playing quite narrow and Rafael would be better at giving us some width down that flank than Brown IMO.
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good point
 
Stretch said:
I think it will be a 4-5-1 to start with considering our defensive feck ups this season:


--------------------------VDS----------------------------
O'Shea-------------Rio------------Vidic-------------Evra
------------------------Carrick--------------------------
------------Fletcher-----------------Scholes-------------
Nani------------------------------------------------Park
------------------------Berbasex------------------------
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I'd go with this except I'd play Rafael over O'Shea.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Oh really? You keep refuting the statement of anyone why says Bale isn't as special as those 2. Repeatedly.

No one is going to waste time double teaming him. You can be sure of that. He is now here near as hard to stop as you claim. This you will find out the same way you found it out when you boasted about Lennon last season. The real danger in your team will stem from the RVDV-Modric combo.
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You're the one who keeps harping on about Messi and Ronaldo - not me. I don't even bracket them as left wingers, so why would I compare them to Bale in that role?

For the record, in terms of general footballing ability regardless of position/role, I don't place Bale in the same class as these two, but he'll develop further and I see no real limit as to how good he might eventually become.

What I have said is that Bale is a special player: it's hardly an outrageous opinion.

You don't regard Bale as a "real danger". I very much doubt that Fergie will share your complacency.
 
------------------------Van Der Sar----------------------------



--Rafael---------Rio Ferdinand----Nemanja Vidic--------P. Evra--



--Luis Nani------Paul Scholes----Michael Carrick-----G. Obertan-



-----------Chicarito Hernandez---Dmitar Berbatov--------------




Subs: Kuzczak, Brown, O Shea, Fletcher, Macheda, Park, Bebe
Predictions:2-0 Berbatov, Carrick
 
If Tottenham play 3 in midfield, which I think they will, then I don't think it is going to be possible to beat them by playing 2 in midfield. We have to sacrifice Hernandez to the left by playing Berba upfront on his own.
 
No if we're playing Berba on his own we have to sacrifice Hernandez to the bench, not the left. Park to play on the left, with him being a winger and everything.
 
Modric out to break jinx

Thu, 28 Oct 15:30:49 2010

Tottenham playmaker Luka Modric believes his side are ready to break their Old Trafford jinx on Saturday.

Spurs have not won at the home of Manchester United for 21 years, but a victory would take them above their hosts in the Barclays Premier League table.

Modric is taking inspiration from the fright Tottenham gave Inter Milan at the San Siro recently, when they came within a whisker of claiming a Champions League point despite falling 4-0 down.

He told the club's official website: "We showed against Inter in the second half that we can compete with the best teams in the world and United is certainly one of the best teams in the world.

"But why not go there and try to win?

"I know Tottenham haven't won at Old Trafford for a long time, so why not now?"
 
GlastonSpur said:
You're the one who keeps harping on about Messi and Ronaldo - not me. I don't even bracket them as left wingers, so why would I compare them to Bale in that role?
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Oh please. Whenever I say Bale isn't that special (meaning as special as those 2) you have insisted he is. You've done it over 3 times now.

GlastonSpur said:
For the record, in terms of general footballing ability regardless of position/role, I don't place Bale in the same class as these two,...
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Then why do you keep disputing it when ever anyone points it out?

GlastonSpur said:
What I have said is that Bale is a special player: it's hardly an outrageous opinion.
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That's not even close to you have been doing. Because I've repeatedly said Bale isn't as special as the Ronaldo's and you've continuously refuted it.

GlastonSpur said:
You don't regard Bale as a "real danger". I very much doubt that Fergie will share your complacency.
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I don't regard Bale as overly special like you do. He is special the same way a Nani is special. Very talented but still mastering his trade. We are certainly not going to out of our way to shut him down like he is the biggest threat around. He will be treated just like any other good player we face. It's Modric and Vandervaart who will warrant the really special attention from us.
 
I think we're the better side and I do fancy us to win at home but the longer these records go on the harder they seemingly become to maintain - Villa managed to break their duck at OT last year and spurs have got closer and closer recently

for my nerves sake i hope its a boring 1/2-0 but i reckon it'll be another utd-spurs retarted goalfest and it could go either way :nervous:

VDS

Rafa
Rio
Vida
Evra

Fletch
Ando
Scholes

Nani
Berbs
Chico
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Oh please. Whenever I say Bale isn't that special (meaning as special as those 2) you have insisted he is. You've done it over 3 times now.

Then why do you keep disputing it when ever anyone points it out?

That's not even close to you have been doing. Because I've repeatedly said Bale isn't as special as the Ronaldo's and you've continuously refuted it.
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No, when you said that Bale "isn't that special" it was in the context of the need (or not, according to you) to double-team him etc - there was no mention of Messi or Ronaldo. Your exact words were "To hell with ''disrupting his rhythm''. He isn't that special."

Then, after I had disagreed with your comment and said that Bale is a special player, you dragged Messi and Ronaldo into the discussion and have continued to bang on about them ever since - to the point of repetitive boredom.

How about you just accept the fact that I rate Bale a lot more than you seem to, rather than endlessly trying to tell me that he isn't as good as Messi / Ronaldo when I've never said that he is.
 
VDS
Rafael, Rio, Vidic, Evra
Fletc, Scholes, Anderon
Nani, Chicharito, Berbatov

Rafael/Fletch/Nani to handle Spurs left side, Evra to keep Lennon in check (hopefully).
 
Havak said:
Actually, that's an idea. Rafael in to help cope with Bale's pace, and we can still have O'Shea in for a third tall and strong player to better deal with Crouch in the air. Although, if Lennon is fit, we shouldn't be just concentrating on Bale anyway. Even then, we should be the team attacking more at Old Trafford.

The only other thing then is that we'll play Fletcher and Scholes in midfield with Nani on the right, which could put a lot of pressure on them if, for example, Spurs go with van der Vaart and two others from Modric, Huddlestone, Palacios, Jeans (which I expect they will, I just can't remember who's fit). But we'd have a big threat up top with Berbarito.

We'll see, it wasn't Evra's best position but I don't think he did terrible against Stoke.
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I'd agree, cautious attacking lineup, if there is such a thing. Jeans is a nice nickname for Jermaine. :D
 
cw1984 said:
I think he already answered that a few pages back.
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Yeah, but I forgot Huddlestone ... he's also out unfortunately. So it's either Sandro, Palacios or Jenas to replace him.
 
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Is it weird that I love him?
 
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