Yes, and so? I never said he has been good in one of the big games, but then again tell me who has this year? No one outfield has performed to a good level this year against the top 4, not one.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Yes, and so? I never said he has been good in one of the big games, but then again tell me who has this year? No one outfield has performed to a good level this year against the top 4, not one.
Maybe just maybe he is being asked to get forward all the time??? Maybe its not positional indiscipline but the coaches directions?. I remember everyone slagging Ronaldo for not tracking back despite the fact Fergie stated a number of times he didnt want Ronaldo tracking back.
De Gea for starters. Rooney may not have been great but he is was miles better. I understand what you are saying. The whole team under performed but atleast most of them have already shown they have the ability to perform in these big games. I have yet to see Fellaini stamp his mark in midfield for us in a big game.
If not wanting poor players with horrible technique, no pace and poor positioning and who's primary skill on a football field is giving away cheap fouls because they're too slow/poor to be in position and intentionally elbowing opposition players in the face, to play for us, then yes many fans have an agenda against players like that playing for us.
He's probably on Anderson's level positionally. Doesn't read the game very well at all.
As I mentioned earlier, most of our outfield players have proven that they can cut it here and perform on the biggest stage. Fellaini has shown nothing like that so far. Thus I mentioned it. Anyway, is it not supposed to be a Fellaini thread?
Moreover you had said " It's getting to the point where even if he did have a good game against a top club...". He has not had a single good game against a top club for us in midfield. If he does, then people can start pointing out to that. So far he has been between bang average and awful against the top sides.
He's had 3 games against top 4 so far for us, and one extra game against a team above us, in which he played well in. If you are judging him purely on those 3 games then I won't even bother arguing against it, because it would be like judging Mata on that basis and saying he is a load of shit too. If you have watched more than just him in a United shirt, you would know he turned up on many occasions in the big games for Everton, so it's not like he will never play well. Maybe judging him next year in a more settled squad playing with confidence would be better rather than jumping on his back.
I completley disagree with this.
Most of our outfield players have proven they can make at United, when Ferguson was here and the team was functioning properly or they have proved it at other clubs like Mata did at Chelsea, Kagawa at Dortmund yet none of those have proven they are great United players (definitley not our midfielders) under Moyes. Fellaini is no different to that, he has yet to perform like a real United quality player under Moyes, but so do all these other players you call proven, the only ones that have cut it so far this season have been DDG, Rooney and Januzaj (on potential) that is it, all the rest have underperformed for a myriad of reasons, Fellaini is no different to them.
In fact Fellaini has already proven he can be a good PL midfielder because he has been exactly that at Everton for many seasons, under Moyes nonetheless, so this is a guy who has proven he can be at his best under Moyes and when he was at his best at Everton he was more than good enough to be labelled United quality. He has just stuggled to perform at his best due to the difficult circumstances at the club (and because of injurries) and no players you call proven have been unaffected by these circumstances, we know Carrick can do way better than what he has done so far, so can Cleverley, why should Fellaini be viewed any different in that respect ?
If we just look at this season I find Fellaini our least disappointing midfielder so far and one who is applying himself the most actually. Since he came back from a 4 month absence (that is a fecking long time and you need some time to get to your best form again) he has been of our beter performers. People who can't admit that are being unreasonable and are looking at him with some sort of agenda. Ofcourse being one of our better performers doesn't make him a great midfielder, since our performances have been woefull especially versus the bigger teams, where Fellaini just like the rest of the team has looked out of his depth so far. He is definitley not worth £27.5m and it might have been a mistake signing him in the summer because he is probably not the ideal type of midfielder we needed. Yet what has happened has happened, he'll be here for the next couple of years and the best thing we can all do is hope he'll start performing like his Everton days again, because he showed he was a good player then who was a handfull to deal with for any team in the PL. Yet some people on here like nothing better than to bitch about everything they don't like about him and are spouting such ridiculous nonsense like he is one of the worst players in the PL, that he could never be good enough to be of any kind of use to United or a top 6 team for that matter, that he is by far our worst transfer and that he couldn't even add added value if we signed him for £10m (Everton signed him for more than that he was considered one of their best transfer in the last decade). That kind of nonsense is over the top negativity based around one thing, an agenda against Fellaini because they are searching for a scapegoat to offload their frustrations from this horrible season. Horrible supporters is what I call that.
An excellent post that sums up my feelings too. Least disappointing midfielder from what we've had, yet is getting the most criticism in the middle.
I think it's very obvious he's been told to get forward as much as possible by Moyes because we're lacking goals from midfield.
Making a good timely run to the edge of the box when a cross is coming in or were attacking the oppositions goal and he might get a parried or cleared ball is understandable, but it appears to be inappropriately timed and he casually saunters back into position which makes it more frustrating.
I'm not keen on him though, full stop, so I'm aware I probably see his faults magnified.
Fletcher- Out for so long with illness
Carrick- Seems to be immune from criticism due to his contributions to the title last season
Cleverley- Always been a scapegoat
Fellaini- £27 million spent on him, which is not his fault but naturally means we expect a lot from him. He has been okay since his injuries but has been disappointing in any big match such as City and Liverpool. What's the point if he can only do a good job vs WBA or Palace?
If we'd have won our matches against the likes of West Brom and Fulham this year we'd be still in the hunt for 4th.
Exactly. What kind of manager would keep selecting a player who is unable take up the positions he is instructed to, let alone pay £15 & £27.5m for him. If a player does something wrong then surely they show them on a video and if they fail to correct to the detriment of the team then they are dropped or sold? Seems logical anyway.
What I find surprising is how high up the pitch he stays when we're playing out of the back. Its left to Mata to come deep and pick the ball off the CBs while Fellaini wanders in line with the CFs. Makes no sense to me personally.
Absolutely not. If we've signed a player who can play well against the poorer teams in the league I'm over the moon because we've dropped points to some of the leagues worst clubs this year.
Why spend £27 million on a player who is only going to play well against the poorer teams? Surely we should be looking for a midfielder who can do that as well as perform well in the big games, after all, our aspirations shouldn't be fourth!
Well since he's come back he's been involved in two big games. City and Liverpool. Against Liverpool he was recognised as one of our best players. Against City he was shit. So it's not the end of the world for him there either.
Yeah, I find that ridiculous. Sure he can go into the box when we are in a crossing position but he is already jogging up front when our CBs have the ball.
Good post.
Yeah this is right to an extend, Moyes obviously wants Felli to be box to box like scholes, he's great in the box and despite how he looks has incredible stamina to get up and back. Sometimes we have the ball out wide and we want Felli in the box he's one of the best headers in the league! For me it's really great to see him surging forwards. Makes a big different compared to Carrick and cleverly standing on the half way line giving us no options.
I have in mind a team with a quality left footed left back, rafael, januzaj and kagawa on the wings putting in quality crosses, and us having rooney and fellaini in the box causing problems. At least then our wide play will be effective.
I said very clearly that he has not turned up for us so far in any of the big games. How is that controversial or wrong in any way. And I did see him for Everton as well and always maintained he is not someone I would like to see at United. Sure he did a decent job for Everton but many of those times he was deployed in that #10 role.
I have said nowhere that he is never going to be good for us, which I feel he will not, but so far he has been awful against the top sides for us. If he gives any performances where he is actually good, then people can start complaining about how he is being made a scapegoat. So far all the criticism is perfectly reasonable.
Also, I cannot believe you brought Mata into this. A 2 time Chelsea player of the year who has scored and assisted more than 30 goals last season. How is that even comparable to what Fellaini has done for Everton, where the best he was was a nuisance up top. Moreover, Mata joined us in January while Fellaini was in the summer.
Yet no one here is claiming that they have been great this season. But they have proven it. Fellaini, for me, has never proven he was top class or someone who should be a part of our midfield, especially not for 27.5 million pounds.
Who viewed him as United quality when he was at Everton? Fergie? 'cause he never went for him. Moyes obviously thought he was but then that discussion can be left for another day. And as far as I remember, most on here were dreading that we are going for him and that too for those amounts. On him joining us, then people started saying that he will add some steel and we will not be overrun in midfield. How wrong has that been proven!
He has played well against the lower ranked sides. I only put forth the argument that he has been generally gash against any top side. I don't understand why people are getting flustered by that. I simply commented on his performances against the big sides.
That is such a complete hyperbole that I don't think it's worth replying to. People have not said anything of that kind.
I don't know we paid that kind of money for Fellaini, ask the board....
Why hire Moyes when you could have had Mourinho, Klopp, Simeone, Ancelotti or someone else ?
Why did Ferguson bring back scholes when he had Pogba to play in the midfield and could have solved so many issues that day ?
Why did we insist on getting a 31 year old RVP but refused to pay a couple of millions more for Hazard ?
Why did we not spend the cash on Modric and Bale when they weren't on the radar of Real Madrid ?
Why didn't we go for Yaya Touré when he was available at Barca ?
Why didn't we spend €60m on aquiring Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic when they were for sale at Milan ?
Why didn't we get verratti when he was available for cheap at pescara but only became interested when he was at PSG ?
and so on and so on
The answer is this club makes mistakes, sometimes big ones, and they are not the only one in this.
Nobody here is claiming Fellaini is a £27.5M player, no one ! Yet some on here are claiming he isn't even a £10m player, and that is wrong. There is no need to go on and on about his price tag, its the price we paid for an absolutley miserable summer, blame Moyes and Woodward for that, it seemed like they only got in action when the summer was as good as over. It was a true disaster and handled so amateurish, it is a big fat stain on the reputation of a club like United. But just because Fellaini was the result of this, there is no reason to threat him like desease or something.
It is maybay a weird comparrison but it reminds me a bit about a married husband making a child with another women. Than the women he is married with sort of forgives him and sucks it all up but still hates the guts of that child that was born. That hate is really a sick hate, because it is not about who that child is or what he does but about where he came from and he can't change that.
The hate I see for Fellaini feels a bit like that, the guy can't change the fact United bought him and paid £27.5m, yet people seem to hate his guts for it. Ofcourse some people on here are trying to make it look like his the worst player on the planet and that is the reason why they can't stand him, but that is is ridiculous, he isn't the worst player on the planet. He isn't even the worst player in the team or the worst midfielder we have. In fact he is actually been one of the better midfielders we have had this season. Yet some people are still hating his guts while not being nearly as critical about other players in the team (bar maybay Young). Sure thing Cleverley got a fair bit of stick when big Fella was injurred and alot of people seeingly forgot he even existed. Now that he is back and he is actually playing quite decent, maybay not against City and Pool (nobody was) but he was against WB, Palace and so on, people are still bashing him like he is the worst thing since aids. That isn't normal behavior, people have an agenda against him, people love to hate him, some people are looking at him and hopping he does bad so they can come on here and trash him some to proof their point about him being absolutley bad. They want to make him a scapegoat for everything that is wrong this team and everything that is wrong with Moyes and that is phatetic.
Why can't there be a reasonable view on him ? it is like for some he is either the worst thing since aids or he must be the best midfielder on the planet. Why can't he just be decent and ok ? He deserves some criticism, just like other players deserve it, but Fellaini just gets way too much off it and the criticism is often unreasonable aswell.
-None of the players have proven they are United quality. Name me one midfielder who has this season under Moyes. What you say is simply not true. If you refer to previous seasons under Ferguson, you just fail to see how much of an impact playing in a bad team that isn't functioning well has. Fellaini wouldn't have proven he was good enough if Ferguson was still here and the team was functioning like it did last season, when confidence was high etc. Why you doing is a completley false comparrison.
-Ferguson never went him for clearly, but he did rate him, he has said that often enough and he was linked with a move for him on several occassions. So was We,ger (he even rejected Arsenal to come play for United) and so was Chelsea. I'am not saying he was a god at Everton, but he was a really good player and alot of people, not all granted, felt like a Fellaini who plays like that could do a job for any team in the PL including United.
-It isn't a complete hyperbole, I'am not saying it are your words. But look at some of the posts in this thread, some of the examples I listed are even copy paste from some reactions on here. And it is not just one or two reactions from phatetic haters, it is a truckload of shit like that from several posters, one worse than the other. But the general sentiment is actually what I described there.
I can only comment on what is there in front of me. Mata has played well under different managers and has looked definitely who has the pedigree to be a United player. So has Kagawa. Both have not proven it so far and thus no one has claimed otherwise. I did not see anything from Fellaini even in his Everton days to suggest that he could be a success here. A decent squad player, yes. Beyond that, no. Also, what you are basically assuming is that any player who would have played under Fergie would automatically be a United standard player which is so not true as has been proven so many times by poor buys from Fergie himself.
Ferguson also said he rated Charlie Adams, it meant squat. He generally mentioned Fellaini ahead of our games against Everton simply because he knew what kind of headaches his aggression causes our backline mainly as he was deployed in a #10 role by Moyes many times when Everton faced us. Also, I don't remember any links to Chelsea. Arsenal were linked with him and he has claimed he rejected them. But Wenger has also has duds in his reign there. More so recently. I am not putting their collective wisdom down. Simply that being linked with a top club does not necessarily mean he is a top player. If he was as good as many claim him to be, people would have triggered his release clause earlier. Especially someone like Wenger who tried the same with Suarez.
People get overboard sometimes. But I genuinely have never heard anyone say that he is the worst player in the EPL or he will not get in a top 6 side. That is nonsense, even if someone did say so.
Thought he was good again against villa. Won plenty of headers and made some good tackles, and also linked up play quite well. He made Matas goal and set Januzaj down the wing nicely.
He might currently be a flat track bully, but considering that's 3/4 of the league he will be very handy indeed.
I also only see him improving personally!.
He might currently be a flat track bully, but considering that's 3/4 of the league he will be very handy indeed.
I also only see him improving personally!.
He's better on the ball than people give him credit for and he's a better passer than people give him credit for. I think some just see big and lanky and cloud their opinion on that basis. I haven't made my mind up on him but as @Adam-Utd said he has proven at least that he'll be a great addition for 75% of games.
I can only agree with you on this. I try not to be overly critical but it's hard to get excited about him being a Utd player.
Yeah and plenty of people wanted De Gea shipped out after his first season. Same old same old, especially new posters coming to the fore with this nonsense.
He has quality, and it time it will be apparent. We have won a couple of PL games with fellani in the cm role and carrick not with him. I agree they do not fit together though.
Who wanted De Gea out? People were all for giving him time. This was a lad of 20 from a different league settling in a new country and learning a new language. Not to forget the fact that he was regarded as one the most promising young GKs and also a future Spain #1.
Fellaini has been in this league for 5 years and is entering his prime. All this while most on here thought he was not good enough for us even before we went for him. How is the two situations even remotely similar?
People can raise the silliest points.
We'll probably be part of 4 CMs that Moyes needs to be in his squad, and he gives us something that maybe the rest won't ie he's absolutely massive, can be used as a really effective target man, makes us decent at set pieces etc. Not a big deal if he can't play in big games because we are all thinking Moyes will add a couple more midfielders to the squad. And I get that we paid 27m for him and people want him to start because of that money, but City have players who costs the same that warm their bench, so do chelsea and bayern etc, this is the level that we're aiming to be playing at alongside the billionaires.
People must watch our recent games with blinkers on. Sure against city he wasn't at his best, but he has been very good recently and offers WAY more than cleverley would in our midfield. People say they don't want Fellaini playing, but if he doesn't who would?
Fair point.
But I think we all wish that he had been brave enough to sign Herrera. Ok he wasnt worth the 31mil Bilbao were looking for. He probably was worth around 23mil in my book. But over paying for a player by 8mil who suits our style is much better than spending 27mil on a player who wont. Fellaini isnt exceptional at anything that we currently need in our CM.
That's on Woodward, not Moyes. Moyes wanted him, and Woodward is responsible for closing - which he failed to do.
He's clearly the most disappointing midfielder we have because he was bought to improve our current midfield. Fernandinho and Matic were bought to improve their respective teams and they've lived up to their billing. Fellaini was already a proven player in this league and he looks like he was bought right out of the Belgian first division! Giggs has been more productive in his limited appearances. He has 75 fouls committed and counting this season...the highest in the league, and only 1 assist. How poor can you get as a United player at this level?
That bollocks again. On what basis was he recognized as one of the best players? Did you actually watch the match? Fellaini also should've conceded a penalty on Suarez for a clumsy tackle in the box.
Where do you get that tripe he was one of the best players it's beyond me...
Can you share a link saying he has conceded 75 fouls as I find that hard to believe.
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