Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances

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I said it when we signed him and I've seen nothing at all to suggest I was wrong, so here goes nothing yet again:

Fellaini supporters, what excactly is it that you see him bringing to the table that we need of a Manchester United midfielder?

I can still see nothing. Just nothing.
 
Cheesy said:
Why is this an assumption? Nothing at the moment suggests we'll be challenging. Saying we'll challenge for top 4 is optimistic.
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Well, it's a belief. I think we'll be in the mix with a couple of right additions.

Even him growing into his old role isn't that encouraging, because while his old role suited Everton, it won't work here. He often played in behind the striker there and had the ball punted to him, but that's just not going to happen here, both because the fans would lose it if we started playing that sort of football, and because we've got infinitely better players for that position like Rooney and Mata. His other main role is as a defensive mid, but we're not the sort of side that should be playing as a typical destroyer. If we hope to get back to where we were, we need talented footballers that are good on the ball in the middle. He unfortunately doesn't fit into that category, even with his older roles.
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By 'old role' I meant his position in the midfield that he occupied before Moyes moved him behind the striker to compensate for Everton's attacking deficiencies. He hasn't played in a midfield two for a while and it can take time adjusting.
 
marjen said:
I said it when we signed him and I've seen nothing at all to suggest I was wrong, so here goes nothing yet again:

Fellaini supporters, what excactly is it that you see him bringing to the table that we need of a Manchester United midfielder?

I can still see nothing. Just nothing.
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I don't see anything either. We bought him for 27M and he gets 125k a week. The best players command the highest transfer fees and the highest wages. So at this figures what exactly are we getting?
Imagine if you had to write an official progress report on him? Most would expect more than a squad player, more than a player who just shows up against 2-3 shit teams.
Furthermore, more than a player who gets dropped for the most important game of the season in favor of a 40 year old, more than a player who vanishes in big games and makes players like Allen and Henderson look like football Gods, more than a player who barges into the opposition at every chance, giving away foul after foul because he's too limited or refuses to use his talents properly. He has committed the most fouls in the league (75), he fouls even he has possession of the ball!

@Shinjisan Fellaini is a midfielder for Belgium and has always been, so why would it take time to adjust to his natural position? The one he has spent more minutes playing in his entire career so far and the one for which he trained and recieved his footballing education as since a youth and academy player?
 
Loublaze said:
I don't see anything either. We bought him for 27M and he gets 125k a week. The best players command the highest transfer fees and the highest wages. So at this figures what exactly are we getting?
Imagine if you had to write an official progress report on him? Most would expect more than a squad player, more than a player who just shows up against 2-3 shit teams.
Furthermore, more than a player who gets dropped for the most important game of the season in favor of a 40 year old, more than a player who vanishes in big games and makes players like Allen and Henderson look like football Gods, more than a player who barges into the opposition at every chance, giving away foul after foul because he's too limited or refuses to use his talents properly. He has committed the most fouls in the league (75), he fouls even he has possession of the ball!

@Shinjisan Fellaini is a midfielder for Belgium and has always been, so why would it take time to adjust to his natural position? The one he has spent more minutes playing in his entire career so far and the one for which he trained and recieved his footballing education as since a youth and academy player?
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It's not just him. We have players that don't deserve what they're being paid. He has no control over his transfer fee but he should never be in that pay bracket. It's diabolical.

Yaya Toure has a physical presence in midfield and for a big strong player he has a lot more with it. Skill, leadership, goalscoring from midfield, ball retention and possession. We should be looking at someone similar to him. Fellaini just hasn't got anything like that in his game and never will have.
 
bobbyf said:
It's not just him. We have players that don't deserve what they're being paid. He has no control over his transfer fee but he should never be in that pay bracket. It's diabolical.

Yaya Toure has a physical presence in midfield and for a big strong player he has a lot more with it. Skill, leadership, goalscoring from midfield, ball retention and possession. We should be looking at someone similar to him. Fellaini just hasn't got anything like that in his game and never will have.
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I agree with this. However, Fellaini is making even more than Young! The other players have at least won championships and they simply just don't want to perform for Moyes. Its not his fault (Fellaini) that we overpaid for him but we're stuck with him and he needs to perform at a level that at least meets two-thirds of his valuation but he doesn't even meet half im afraid.
 
Loublaze said:
I agree with this. However, Fellaini is making even more than Young! The other players have at least won championships and they simply just don't want to perform for Moyes. Its not his fault (Fellaini) that we overpaid for him but we're stuck with him and he needs to perform at a level that at least meets two-thirds of his valuation but he doesn't even meet half im afraid.
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Nah, I said it before. Get a new manager who'll sign a few proper CMs and hopefully loan him out to Stoke next season. Then with their route one tactics he can bash all our rivals. I wouldn't want Cleverley anymore either but at least he cost us nothing.
 
bobbyf said:
Nah, I said it before. Get a new manager who'll sign a few proper CMs and hopefully loan him out to Stoke next season. Then with their route one tactics he can bash all our rivals. I wouldn't want Cleverley anymore either but at least he cost us nothing.
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Too right
 
bobbyf said:
Nah, I said it before. Get a new manager who'll sign a few proper CMs and hopefully loan him out to Stoke next season. Then with their route one tactics he can bash all our rivals. I wouldn't want Cleverley anymore either but at least he cost us nothing.
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Yeah, that seems the most logical decision. I'd much rather have Powell as a squad player than Fellaini on 125k weekly. And possibly if later we would agree to take a pay cut and go for 15m to some lesser club will be the best possible solution.

It will take a while to get rid of all that Everton crap we inherited for just 9 months...
 
marjen said:
I said it when we signed him and I've seen nothing at all to suggest I was wrong, so here goes nothing yet again:

Fellaini supporters, what excactly is it that you see him bringing to the table that we need of a Manchester United midfielder?

I can still see nothing. Just nothing.
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I was probably one of the most vocal person in the newb section that opposed this transfer. But, even I can see he can be a useful subsidary player. He adds something different to our style of play if plan B or C is not working. Moreover, his aerial presence can be a useful attribute if utilized properly. Other than the ridiculous price tag we paid for him, there is nothing cureently bad about having Fellaini as a squad player considering he is not really hindering none of our youth central midfielder's development.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Yeah, that seems the most logical decision. I'd much rather have Powell as a squad player than Fellaini on 125k weekly. And possibly if later we would agree to take a pay cut and go for 15m to some lesser club will be the best possible solution.

It will take a while to get rid of all that Everton crap we inherited for just 9 months...
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£15m now is it? A few hours ago you valued him at £10m - thats some inflation rate :smirk:

and you have no idea what his wages are either.
 
Rood said:
£15m now is it? A few hours ago you valued him at £10m - thats some inflation rate :smirk:

and you have no idea what his wages are either.
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Yes, again read the whole excerpt - the best possible solution. However as I said at the moment I don't think any club will fork more than £10m for him. Especially with his wages. I don't write him the check but on various reports he's on 125k a week.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Yes, again read the whole excerpt - the best possible solution. However as I said at the moment I don't think any club will fork more than £10m for him. Especially with his wages. I don't write him the check but on various reports he's on 125k a week.
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As I said you have no idea what his wages are, I doubt it is that high - especially as it was mentioned at the time of his signing that he took a lesser deal to make it happen
 
Rood said:
As I said you have no idea what his wages are, I doubt it is that high - especially as it was mentioned at the time of his signing that he took a lesser deal to make it happen
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He gave up his loyalty bonus not a pay cut or lesser deal. Much like Fernandinho to move from Shakhtar to City.
 
Enigma_87 said:
He gave up his loyalty bonus not a pay cut or lesser deal. Much like Fernandinho to move from Shakhtar to City.
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do you believe everything you read? it is all speculation.


marjen said:
Fellaini supporters, what excactly is it that you see him bringing to the table that we need of a Manchester United midfielder?
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His best performances so far have been in a more defensive midfield role - we desperately needed cover/competition for Carrick and I think that is his main function at the moment.

The problem is that he is often paired with Carrick and I dont think they make a good combo.
 
Shinjisan said:
The fact is that he is here. You can either keep bemoaning it or except him as a squad player and move on. There is no point is beating the same drum again and again.
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Quite. Hence my first line.

Maybe the whole thread should shut down then? And maybe all the Moyes threads should too?
 
Foul after foul after foul. Didn't realise he was this much of a thug on the pitch.
 
Another poor game, he doesn't even deserve to start games anymore IMO.
 
The big guy is doing well will be a good buy albeit overpriced.
 
Thought he did okay. Poor opposition. Other than pace, Villa aren't all too threatening, especially in midfield, so you cant really pile praise on Fellaini, but he did fine. It's good to see us not get physically bullied when he's around. He and Fletcher were winning the ball back impressively. He really needs a goal.
 
Grew into the game. Thought he was disappointing in the first half and Fletcher outclassed him, but he did much better in the second.
 
He gets up and down the pitch efficiently, to be fair... Covering ground wherever he wants
 
Rather poor in the first half, good in the second. Crucial 'being' ( :lol: ) in the box for Mata goal and good opening pass to Adnan for Chicharito goal. Defensively he was sound too.

Seems like Fletcher and him are, so far in, the best partnership we can get in the middle.
 
He was poor. He always seem to struggle against sides who play pass to feet football.
 
Did nothing extraordinary. Had acres of space towards the latter stages of the game but he's just not interested in dribbling. Always prefers taking the easy route by passing nearby. Didn't like him before but he's not the problem. We might need his elbows against Bayern.
 
David James had his number. Only of any use because his big bungling clumsy frame got in the way of things.
 
Average game tbh. Expect more of him, one of him or fletch should be coming deeper to receive the ball from the CBs yet it was left to Mata to do it.
 
He came close to scoring more than once today, decent performance but I am not sure if he is the right choice against munich. I would prefer Giggs or fletcher teaming up with carrick,
 
Stack said:
Dont let your dislike of the guy get in the way of judging how he does in games. Thats wasnt a bad effort from him, worked his socks off the entire game
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I don't dislike the guy, I don't think he is bad bloke at all, but I simply don't see that he was good today. He has some kind of free role in midfield, which should be helping him, but he doesn't even look good in that free role.
 
Neither he or Fletcher were helpful today in the majority of our play but his presence helped create two of the goals. Fellaini made a fair few tackles too.

Was largely unimpressed by Fletcher because his passing was absolutely woeful at times...you know for a guy who everyone says is infinitely greater at passing than the subject of this thread,
 
Would Fellaini and Giggs be the best combo to start against Bayern considering the form of Carrick and Fletcher?
 
Shamwow said:
Would Fellaini and Giggs be the best combo to start against Bayern considering the form of Carrick and Fletcher?
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Fletcher's been in pretty good form, much more suited to a big game then Fellaini IMO because of his mobility, and calmness on the ball. He's just better all around for me. Fletcher and Giggs or Fellaini with Carrick at center back is what we'll end up seeing I'm guessing with the injuries.
 
Still nowhere even close to being worth what we paid for him. He did ok today, made a few nice passes here and there but most seemed to be 5 yders to Buttner. It'd be interesting to see the opta stats on it.
 
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