And you want us to belive you watched Evertons preseason games?
Anyhow i sustain he would not play in this Everton team.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Anyhow i sustain he would not play in this Everton team.
McCarthy is definitely not a playmaker.
He is in his bollocks.
What does that mean in English?
Even if Fellaini is better than McCarthy, he won't be for long. Plus McCarthy suits a Martinez midfield far more than Fellaini does, and would have suited ours better too. I think Martinez would sooner have had McCarthy over Fellaini anyway, so us overpaying for the big lad just made it that much sweeter for them.
To be fair to Fellaini he didn't look as out of depth in Everton, but he surely played much more advanced role and his qualities were more apt utilized.
However I fully agree with you - Lukaku has the physical qualities and gives them better strength in attack than what Fellaini offers. McCarthy gives them a lot of energy and grit. Barry ain't doing too bad either and Defloneso(the Barca lad) is also a great loan deal.
All in all they have much better team with money to spare.
Agreed.. also it's Deulofeu, you almost had it
Delfoneso is the young forward who used to be at villa (probably not even that young anymore either).Rather I want you to believe you are wrong. Which you are.
Here is an example of why:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/everton-fc-1-real-madrid-5583484
And the presence of Garreth Barry in that Everton midfield shows up the core of your argument for what it is. Wrong.
He's obviously a good player. To say he isn't is to ignore the role he played for a good Everton team the last few years. The question is how do we incorporate him into our side. It's been said by others, and I'd agree, that his best position is further up the pitch (where he played when he took us apart in the first game of last season.) The problem is that we have a far better player in that position in Rooney (and possibly Kagawa as well.) So does he become a backup to be thrown on when we're chasing a game, or do we keep trying to fit him into the midfield. I haven't a clue what the answer to that is.
We obviously have to persist with playing him where he is. He will never ever be technically good enough to play in the final third for Manchester United. Where does he play for Belgium?
Honestly? His ideal position will be on the bench, as a squad player who can thrown in for midfielders or (rarely) further forward. He isn't good enough in either position to warrant a starting place at Manchester United but he could be a useful jack-of-all-trades option in the squad. That'll be his role once we strengthen and he'll be good at it.
Is it really obvious that he's a good player? As you rightly stated, he was at his best playing a role for an Everton side that was set up to suit his strengths. He was deployed behind the front man to win Moyes' trademark long-balls. Lovely football. I'm sure Everton fans must be disheartened to have lost Moyes, Fellaini, and such wonderful, aesthetic tactics only to have been replaced by Martínez's possession football, technically sound midfielders like McCarthy and Barry, and young, fearless attackers like Barkley, Deulofeu, and Lukaku.
I hope some of you do realise he is carrying a serious wrist injury which is hampering him some what....
Yes, I think it is. The fact that a perennial 7-8th place team was setup to suit his strengths is testament to that. But being a good player for a good team, doesn't necessarily mean being good enough to start for Manchester United, nor being the answer to the midfield problems that have plagued us. Hence the dilemma we face, given that spent 27 million on him (and I do believe that our funds are limited.)
If he was the Everton Fellaini he would be starting alongside McCarthy in place of Barry as he can do just as good a job as Barry (who has been excellent in his role for us) when on form, whereas at United he has been so slouchy. I feel a little disappointed in him to be fair as he's been nothing like the player he was for us (when he played in the same role).
This season; McCarthy > Fellaini.
The way that Martinez plays; McCarthy > Fellaini.
I think that Fellaini is a better player than McCarthy if both were on top form, but McCarthy looks consistently good at the moment.
I think their must be a psychological aspect to his poor form. You wonder if he is seen negatively in the dressing room, perhaps given his past with Moyes (who may also be suffering dressing room issues.) Perhaps this is impacting him. All speculation of course...
I agree with all of that. He was a solid and effective player for Everton, just as Ashley Young was for Aston Villa. Being an effective player for a mid-table side does not necessarily mean that the player will replicate such performances in a better team with better teammates playing a less important role, however. I even remember Young playing a central role behind the striker for Aston Villa. Imagine him playing there for United. Painful to think about.
I totally agree. In fact, I think the only way we might see an effective performance from Young would be with him playing through the middle, but it still would be a major step down from Rooney.
Exactly. I think too many times fans in PL think a player's form will translate when they join a bigger club. It doesnt mean they're not good players if they fail but when you join the elite clubs, much more is required. You dont have the same freedom you could enjoy playing at a lesser club.
From what I can tell, he generally plays for Belgium as part of a midfield 3 - they have 1 DM (Witsel) and he plays in front of him with 1 other central midfielder and then 3 attacking players.
Quite different from the 4-2-3-1 that Moyes favours.
Where is he going?
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He also needs time to settle into the club. Sure he has come "from England" in the sense he has played in the premier league already, but some people find moving to a new place hard to deal with.
I know when I moved from 1 club I had been at for a for a few years, I found myself holding back a little and playing safe because I didn't want to feck up. After I settled in and got more comfortable I started playing like my old self and became better.
I have a feeling Fellaini may be feeling a little like this, and once we start playing better as a team he will look a lot more assured.
I know when I moved from 1 club I had been at for a for a few years, I found myself holding back a little and playing safe because I didn't want to feck up. After I settled in and got more comfortable I started playing like my old self and became better.
I have a feeling Fellaini may be feeling a little like this, and once we start playing better as a team he will look a lot more assured.
He still doesn't feel like a Manchester United player. He hasn't had that moment where it's all about him. He looks like an imposter in a United shirt at the moment.
Doesn't seem a particularly big character (height and hair aside) so it's clearly a confidence issue. I'd like to see him get a run of game although it sounds as though he's also been missing training in the last week or so too.
Doesn't seem a particularly big character (height and hair aside) so it's clearly a confidence issue. I'd like to see him get a run of game although it sounds as though he's also been missing training in the last week or so too.
We're on a good run. Time to bring him into the team to muck it up.
I am not a Fellaini fan but the reality is we're not going to see much good from him alongside the likes of Cleverley, Jones or Giggs, assuming we'll continue to utilise him as a defensive midfielder. Lets be honest, someone sitting there to protect the back four is going to look pretty useless when he doesn't have a midfield partner to show for the ball. He's only played with Carrick a couple of times from memory, the likes of Cleverley, Jones and Giggs don't actively seek the ball enough like a midfield general should, they also aren't positive enough with the ball. As a result, Fellaini has often be left alienated with little options on for him. The best performance Fellaini put in for us was for twenty minutes in a game we had Kagawa centrally. The pass to Kagawa from Fellaini was always on, and it worked the treat. Fellaini could get on with his job and simply move it on to the much more talented Kagawa quickly and efficiently.
As much as I've criticised Fellaini, I am interested to see how he'd do alongside a Herrera or Cabaye. In the summer I said I was happy for Fellaini to come in once it was alongside a creative midfielder. If this is addressed in January I do think we'll see better performances from Fellaini, in my opinion.
As much as I've criticised Fellaini, I am interested to see how he'd do alongside a Herrera or Cabaye. In the summer I said I was happy for Fellaini to come in once it was alongside a creative midfielder. If this is addressed in January I do think we'll see better performances from Fellaini, in my opinion.
I just cant see how he will ever fit into our system with his lack of speed and composure, its difficult to see how Moyes could of gone so wrong with this signing, especially seeing as he knew his strengths and weakness already
Hopefully I am proved wrong as I would never wish for a United player to do badly but I dont see it going well for him here
Hopefully I am proved wrong as I would never wish for a United player to do badly but I dont see it going well for him here
Not that difficult, it was a panic buy.
It's obvious why Moyes bought him. He offers us something our other midfielders don't, our midfield is shite, he was brilliant for Moyes' Everton side. Nobody can blame Moyes for pursuing him, in my opinion.
Physical presence and great in the air.
I can't help but feeling he was a last resort type signing. After we had bids rejected for other midfielders we turned back to him at the last minute and therefore overpaid. Didn't want him then and he hasn't change my mind. As the other poster said of course I hope he improves and he proves me wrong but I just can't see it. I just don't see where he's just suddenly going to get the ability from. I know he's low on confidence but still regardless of that I don't think he's quite good enough to be a regular.
He fouls everyone with his "physical presence" because he's awkward and has terrible body control. Rather than physically engaging someone, he just clatters into them. He's not someone who can outmuscle someone on the ball while running, partly because 80% of players are faster than he is. Heading ability and physicality are hallmarks of a Stoke midfield, not Manchester United. It would be fine if he offered those in addition to being a well-rounded footballer, but those are the only things he has in his locker aside from Afro Sheen.
Can someone help me out here as I don't recall much from his Everton days except his elbows..
Did he actually play this position for Everton? As I only recall the keeper/defenders hoofing it to him, him elbowing all around him and holding up the ball..
If he didn't play this position before, it's a bit unfair on the guy to expect him to do so
Did he actually play this position for Everton? As I only recall the keeper/defenders hoofing it to him, him elbowing all around him and holding up the ball..
If he didn't play this position before, it's a bit unfair on the guy to expect him to do so
To be fair, he said he'd be the new Roy Keane. I can only imagine he means he's a bitter bastard.
Am I right in saying he's only played seven times for us?
Eleven times. Started seven, 4 subs. 25 fouls.
Edit: I'm looking forward to being told I want Fellaini to fail when I wake up in the morning.
7 too many imo....Sorry but, elbows just come to mind when I think of him. I've never rated him.
But I hope to God I'm proved wrong
Yeah, eleven. Way too early to be judging him outright then.
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