Bit of a pain in the arse for Moyes really. His one signing - at an inflated price - is probably going to contribute very little to our season, unless he hits the ground running when he comes back, which is always a bit hit and miss after a long period out.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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I'm not talking a load of shit at all, this is the Fellaini thread, the point at hand is the form of Marouane Fellaini, i've offered up a perfectly legitimate reason as the why he has looked poor for us thus far. We're a much better team when Rooney drops deep and makes a three (and by better think from mid table to title challenging) like he's been doing for the last two seasons when Carrick has been brilliant. Presumably in order to get Wayne on board Moyes played Rooney higher up earlier in the season, and our midfield was atrocious, no matter what combination we put out (with the exception of Giggs a few times, due to his ability to carry the ball and bypass the need for a link man). It is completely unfair to discuss the merits of Fellaini on these terms, nobody would have done well in that midfield, nobody did.
Since you've mentioned the rest of our team, I might as well address it, it's raining and I'm bored. What do tactics have to do with the form of the rest of our team? Quite a bit actually. Rooney playing deeper means we have options on the ball, Cleverly has someone to play off, Evans and Smalling don't have to hoof the ball any more (have you noticed how we've not been as direct these past few games? It wasn't all Rio's fault) because Rooney is coming deep to get the ball, or creating space for Jones/Cleverley to carry the ball, this means we can build play up resulting in space for our wingers which means we can get our fullbacks overlapping, it means we transition from defence to attack much quicker, all this has happened since we've started playing Rooney where we used to play him, it's not a coincidence we've suddenly started playing well. How many times has Valencia got into a position where he's one on one with the fullback in recent weeks? Probably more than the other 15 games combined. It's because we're playing at a much quicker tempo, due to options. There is a reason why the vast majority of top sides play a three and NOBODY plays a two the way we played it earlier in the season.
I have no idea what your argument is, everyone plays better in a three? And? Who gives a shit. Iniesta wouldn't be as good in a 4-4-2, does that make him useless? No. He's one of the best players on the planet, and Fellaini not playing well in our archaic 4-4-2 after just joining the club doesn't make him useless either, especially when it seems we're going to be playing a three (well, the Rooney version of a three anyway) from now on. Keane wasn't as good in a three by the way, to answer your irrelevant question.
Him not being in the team is a better contribution than what he's been serving when playing.
I think you owe a few thousand people royalties on that joke.
meh.....hardly as though he's going to be a loss for us with respect to how he has played for us so far. He wasn't worth the money...and now he isn't worth the wages....
On the other hand, perhaps being out will actually do him some good mentally. Perhaps he'll come back feeling less to prove in a shorter space of time left....I don't know
On the other hand, perhaps being out will actually do him some good mentally. Perhaps he'll come back feeling less to prove in a shorter space of time left....I don't know
What rubbish, he isnt a very good footballer??? feck me there are some retarded shite posted on here. The message being he feels we need a long ball footballer?, more garbage. Fellaini can quite happily "zip it around on the ground" Have you had a close look at his technique?. The guy can play a bit, he has had just 11 games for us. New team, new manager struggling at the beginning, playing with an injury and having to try and cover a few different roles in his short spell with us. So many here jumping on his back based on sweet feck all. he has had a couple of decent games for us. But the most important thing is his technical ability and despite the drivel posted in here he has decent technique, he receives the ball correctly, he has nice quick feet with the ball for a tall man, he has nice close control and he has a decent passing range. All thats right there for anyone who actually wants to take a look and doesnt get caught up in all the sheep going on about elbows etc.
Not very good?, he currently plays in one of the international sides that has made people take a closer look in the last season.
Doesn't make this whole signing any less depressing.
I honestly thought he'd at least show himself to be a capable player in a squad role, filling in against lesser opponents when Carrick was out. So far he's failed to do even that.
There's still time for him to come.. ehrm, average, at least.
Good post.
Maybe he'll be able to distance himself from reality enough to rationalize his inability to get a game. It was his injuries that kept him out. Yes, injuries.
Yeah, I'm not much of a fan, but he's played very few games and been injured quite a lot. I tend to think he can be an okay squad player once he gets going. Obviously that's not good enough for someone who cost £28m, but here we are. He an Moyes are inextricably linked, so he's going to have to persevere in the long term and hope he comes good. He's a bit like Torres in that he was bought for such a high price and has performed so far below what you'd expect for that price that it's going to be almost impossible to sell him for anything approaching a reasonable amount. If we sold him now we'd be doing well to get £15m.
did he have this wrist injury and suspect back injury when we signed him?...just asking
Yes, apparently the medical team raised doubts about whether he was fit enough but Moyes insisted the deal be done considering our options in CM.
i have no clue
Everton's return policy is crap. No in-store credit that we could use for Barkley, no refunds, no nothing.
Sad news for the lad. I hope this gives him the opportunity to come back, out of the spotlight, and make an impression. I still think he has much, much to offer us and as our player he needs out support because whether you like him or not, he is her for a few years at least.
Come on Fellaini...
Come on Fellaini...
No harm taking him out of the public eye for a bit. Help him settle.
good decision to get the wrist done. Never like these niggly things that need fixing but are put off.
He's already been out a little while, so get him 100%, however long it takes. Otherwise he'll never play well here.
Cleverley, Jones, Giggs and hopefully imminently Carrick will keep us tidy there, with Anderson if things get desperate,
He's already been out a little while, so get him 100%, however long it takes. Otherwise he'll never play well here.
Cleverley, Jones, Giggs and hopefully imminently Carrick will keep us tidy there, with Anderson if things get desperate,
I thin he will end up being a solid contributor to the team. Not what you want for 27.5 million I guess but he's not as bad as he has been. Confidence is big for players and he has lacked it so far.
So he wont make the Champions League matches?
Yeah could be a good thing, hopefully he will come back and show some of the class that he has.
Hopefully this will do him good. Come back fully fit and focused. Means it will be difficult for him to prove anything this season though, so yet more patience will be required.
We're presumably going to sign one or two CMS who are a class above Fellaini, whether in January or (more likely) in the summer. Once we've done that a lot of pressure will be off Fellaini. He can be a good player for us if he regains his Everton form but, realistically, he's at the bottom end of the level a top European club should have in their squad.
It'll be a lot easier for him if he's stepping in and out of a fully functioning midfield rather than one that's in pieces.
We're presumably going to sign one or two CMS who are a class above Fellaini, whether in January or (more likely) in the summer. Once we've done that a lot of pressure will be off Fellaini. He can be a good player for us if he regains his Everton form but, realistically, he's at the bottom end of the level a top European club should have in their squad.
It'll be a lot easier for him if he's stepping in and out of a fully functioning midfield rather than one that's in pieces.
If we sign two midfielders the pecking order will look thus: Carrick, new player, new player, Jones, Cleverley, Giggs, Fellaini. If Fletcher regains his fitness than hes our 4th, 5th best midfielder... this simple logic tells me to ingore the Afroman and forget we signed him.
No that cannot be the pecking order. I know it isn't his fault he cost nigh on £30m but you cannot spend £30m on a player and have him so down the pecking order. Even if it's out of spite you need to keep him involved.
You surely don't believe that a fit Fellaini, let alone a settled one, is that low down the pecking order.
What could be a saving (or redeeming) grace of his career here is I HOPE the manager has noticed how well we play with a three man central midfield
Giggs surely can't keep going for much longer though and Jones may well become a permanent fixture at CB as Ferdinand and Vidic decline. Cleverley isn't so brilliant that Fellaini can't overtake him either. Fellaini will be here for a while I think, unless Moyes is unbelievably ruthless.
Also, I'd hope that our midfield signings at least have the potential to overtake Carrick in the pecking order.
It all depends if and who comes into the midfield.
If we got the kind of players Moyes was initially after, the likes of Fabregas, then him and Carrick would be the combo, and Fellaini would at best be a rotation player.
What I'd love to know was what was the real plan? Fabregas was obviously the A target, so what was Herrera and even Khedira? How would we have accommodated Fabregas plus A N Other plus Carrick, and then Fellaini? But also Van Persie and Rooney?
If we got the kind of players Moyes was initially after, the likes of Fabregas, then him and Carrick would be the combo, and Fellaini would at best be a rotation player.
What I'd love to know was what was the real plan? Fabregas was obviously the A target, so what was Herrera and even Khedira? How would we have accommodated Fabregas plus A N Other plus Carrick, and then Fellaini? But also Van Persie and Rooney?
Maybe Khedira (if true at all) was an desperate late attempt to sign a defensive midfielder other then Fellaini with Everton's fee demands. Early reports in the summer were that Moyes wanted a defensive minded midfielder (Fellaini was mentioned from an early stage as well) and a more attacking minded one (Fabregas, Herrera). That's that really. I don't think we've seen anything to indicate otherwise.
I'd imagine Herrera was a backup to Fabregas. Khedira was probably backup to Fellaini when we thought we weren't going to get him.
Hard to tell though, it was a very disorganized and panicked series of bids.
No you irrationally "hope" he's bottom of the pecking order. You've all but admitted that in other threads.
granted that Jones and Giggs are currently better options than Fellaini. Providing that we exclude them from the list- in best case scenario hes competing with Cleverley for a place on the bench.
Yep. If he finds his best form I think he'll end up ahead of Cleverley in the pecking order, yet still on the bench. Basically a useful jack-of-all-trades midfielder who can fill in at DM, CM or AM when needed.
Can you explain why you think someone would "hope" Fellaini fails? Or Moyes? It gets trotted out that certain posters want Moyes, Fellaini, or whomever to fail. As United fans, what would be the point in that? To reaffirm their opinion? A large number of people don't rate Fellaini and never have, myself included. Despite that, what would be the point of hoping your own player or manager failed?
Even his harshest critics want Fellaini to succeed, but I don't think he's ever shown anything, at United or Everton, that would suggest he'll be good enough for United. Especially in the position he and Moyes claim he is bet at.
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