Mass shooting at Gay night club in Orlando

it's incredible isn't it? apparently the 'solution' to someone entering your house with a gun, is to shoot back at him, with your family there!
Would you rather me allow him to rob, murder, and rape in my house?

A man's house is his castle. You enter my castle uninvited, and I will do my utmost to legally end you.
 
I'm not asking about the authenticity, I'm asking why you are still part of it. It teaches gay people should burn in hell. Don't be part that, just leave.
People make out like it is a central plank of Christianity, rather than the odd vague comment here and there.
Plenty of atheists are bigots.
 
Yes, I am certain that the criminal that broke into your home wouldn't have a gun since it was illegal and all. Just like no one uses heroin and crack since it is illegal.
Of course the criminal could have a gun, but he's far more likely not to have one.

Anyway, I think people are missing the idea behind intruders, they're not coming to your house to murder you, they want your TV's and Laptops. Unless you've somehow made enemies with the mafia or someone. Can anyone really tell me it's worth putting your family at risk by pointing a gun back at them instead of just letting them take those items?
 
But it doesn't teach individuals have the right to in whatever way interact differently with gay people. Which is what I think your implying. In fact it teaches that it's none of your business.
If Christians use the bible in any way justify their homophobic actions towards gay people, they are in the wrong.

I'm implying you shouldn't want to be part of any religion that teaches that. Why worship a God like that?
 
People make out like it is a central plank of Christianity, rather than the odd vague comment here and there.
Plenty of atheists are bigots.

It is pretty essential to it. More than vague comments here and there - pray the gay away Bro.

I know some nice Catholic people who are hardened homophobes, you wouldn't know they had that kind of hatred in them by just talking to them though.
 
The intruder could also own a gun.

Wouldn't you rather live in a country that doesn't allow guns. If he snuck in, and you wasn't aware, he could just shoot you and your family....
I would rather live in a country where people didn't murder, rape, and steal, but that's not an option, is it?
 
Would you rather me allow him to rob, murder, and rape in my house?

A man's house is his castle. You enter my castle uninvited, and I will do my utmost to legally end you.
Who the feck are you enemies with if someone coming into your house wants to murder you?

Yeah, I'd let him rob my possessions instead of my family getting shot in a crossfire, personally.
 
Of course the criminal could have a gun, but he's far more likely not to have one.

Anyway, I think people are missing the idea behind intruders, they're not coming to your house to murder you, they want your TV's and Laptops. Unless you've somehow made enemies with the mafia or someone. Can anyone really tell me it's worth putting your family at risk by pointing a gun back at them instead of just letting them take those items?
You know what they're in the house for? Interesting...

Also interesting that people never get murdered in home invasions in this mystical place you call home.
 
Why when was a mass shooting in France nobody talks about gun control?

Because the guns were not legally bought. So it's not a question whether guns should be allowed to be bought legally.


They had machines guns where the hell they got them?

Likely on the black market. Elaborate terrorist organisations and criminals will still be able to get guns. But it is much more difficult and expensive. And most importantly, average Joe who got mad at gay men kissing on the street won't have a gun and won't be able to get a gun quickly to go on a rampage.
 
Always amazes me the argument of self-defense. The overwhelming majority of persons have no clue how to engage a situation of this nature. Even worse when mentioning self-defense in a crowded public space, a dark movie theater, a classroom, etc. CQB (or CQC) and forms of defense are something taught with training not learned from watching television.

There was a viral video about an "hero" who shot two guys that were doing an armed robbery in some kind of crowded establishment (restaurant, cafe, not sure). The guy jumps from his chair with a gun, hits one of them, and they both run away. It all turned out well, fortunately, the guys were probably cowards or bluffers.

Hero my ass. A major idiot, more likely. A standard robbery could easily have turned out into deaths, hostage situation, etc... If I'm in that place with my kids (or alone, for that matter) I'd much rather handle my wallet and be done with it in one minute than being potentially killed by a stray bullet or endure hours of being a hostage in very stressful situation. I don't understand how that man didn't get a bollocking from police or society at large. That was just luck in my book.

 
Who the feck are you enemies with if someone coming into your house wants to murder you?

Yeah, I'd let him rob my possessions instead of my family getting shot in a crossfire, personally.

I'd wager that I would rather have a big dog, a top of the line alarm and security system and a gun.

As far as I understand from these house invasions they are often either gang initiations, or crack and meth heads, I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in either of those type of personalities.
 
In my state, as soon as they come through the door. My family is a lot more important than that intruder.

What if the person is of no threat? Say you forget all about the window cleaner coming round, or your wife calls him without you knowing. Or some kid in a bad situation who at worse will take a few DVDs. Or even a victim of a simple prank.
 
I have been over there as well, and I'd wager that living there is a bit different to me and you going to the touristy areas.
I've lived here my entire life, including some sketchy areas like oil towns, and I've never been in a situation where I thought I needed a gun. There are places you don't want to be at night, just like any other place.
 
Because the guns were not legally bought. So it's not a question whether guns should be allowed to be bought legally.

Likely on the black market. Elaborate terrorist organisations and criminals will still be able to get guns. But it is much more difficult and expensive. And most importantly, average Joe who got mad at gay men kissing on the street won't have a gun and won't be able to get a gun quickly to go on a rampage.
So the gun ban did not stop the bad guys from getting guns. That's what I'm getting from this... Much like Chicago.
 
I'm implying you shouldn't want to be part of any religion that teaches that. Why worship a God like that?
It's not part of any mainstream Christian doctrine. The Pope doesn't say that and neither does the Archbishop of Canterbury.
 
The window cleaner is coming through a locked door?

In Europe the window cleaner most often comes at night through a locked door or your chimney, we are strange like that. He is also in most cases strung out on meth.
 
People don't get killed in home invasions in Ireland? Really now.
In robberies? Erm, no, not really at all. Plenty of burglaries but almost no casualties or violence involved.

The majority of burglaries here also occur when the homeowner isn't there, because the person burglarizing doesn't have a gun so they don't want trouble either!

Most 'gun crime' in Ireland comes from organised crime which even then is pretty minimal.
 
A man's house is his castle. You enter my castle uninvited, and I will do my utmost to legally end you.
Oh, FFS. Aptly, the tragedy we're discussing isn't an action movie, and your responses are not action movie dialogue. Just FYI.
 
It's not part of any mainstream Christian doctrine. The Pope doesn't say that and neither does the Archbishop of Canterbury.

So? I don't see what the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterburys excuse for belonging to their religion is. They should leave.
 
In robberies? Erm, no, not really at all. Plenty of burglaries but almost no casualties or violence involved.

The majority of burglaries here also occur when the homeowner isn't there, because the person burglarizing doesn't have a gun so they don't want trouble either!

Most 'gun crime' in Ireland comes from organised crime which even then is pretty minimal.
I thought you said you don't have guns?

And what do you mean by "not really"? It's either yes or no. I don't care if it is 1 in the entire country. I will protect my family from being that 1.
 
Because the guns were not legally bought. So it's not a question whether guns should be allowed to be bought legally.




Likely on the black market. Elaborate terrorist organisations and criminals will still be able to get guns. But it is much more difficult and expensive. And most importantly, average Joe who got mad at gay men kissing on the street won't have a gun and won't be able to get a gun quickly to go on a rampage.
The guy was a Muslim and attacked a gay bar, doesn't ring a bell? Like terrorism attack? Or only in Europe any mass shooting is called terrorism and in US only mass murder?
 
Congressman Alan Grayson on Sky saying the gun used fires 700 rounds per minute and there is just no need to own a gun like that! Some sense being spoken but no doubt he will be ridiculed by the nutty right wingers who want to use it to shoot squirrels with.
 
An assault weapon? Why... that could be anything, couldn't it? If I hit you over the head with my shoe, did my shoe not just become an assault weapon?

And history has proven that people clearly do not make bombs when other weapons are or are not available...

History has also proven to us that people bent on mass murder are stopped by laws preventing them from obtaining weapons...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/terrorists-are-turning-to-guns-more-often-in-u-s-attacks/



List of the worst bombings in the US:

http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2013/04/top_10_deadliest_bombings_on_u.html

This single shooting would rank second on the list behind only the Oklahoma City Bombing. The effectiveness of people like the Unabomber, Eric Rudolph, and others versus people using guns isn't even comparable.
 
It is pretty essential to it. More than vague comments here and there - pray the gay away Bro.

I know some nice Catholic people who are hardened homophobes, you wouldn't know they had that kind of hatred in them by just talking to them though.
It's not pretty essential. It's not in the 10 commandments or anything. Not sure Jesus mentioned it?
Those camps are run by religious nutters and is a kind of mental terrorism.
 
The window cleaner is coming through a locked door?
So last week an NBA rookie got killed because he tried to enter the wrong apartment in the middle of the night and the owner shot him. Good thing he had a gun eh, although it was an honest mistake?