Is there something wrong in mentioning the Manchester United manager in a Manchester United forum, in a thread where 50% of the posts reference the Manchester United manager?Why are you mentioning Ole in my Poch post
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Did any club bar Leicester go on to win silverware that had less backing than he did? Or did he lose out to clubs that had spent a fair bit more than his side?
Imagine making comparisons to United on Redcafe. The madness!
I think you’ll find there’s defensive Ole fans now because straight after the game last night this was bumped with the usual stupid criticism of Ole for no need, I did the same as you did then and just backed out and left them all to their childish little snipes
Winning a game against Barcelona that have problems on and off the pitch and people use it to have a go at Solskjaer.
Is behind Lille in Ligue 1 and nobody says anything. Despite that every manager run away with the League after one month.
Great job hating.
Than going on about managers better than Solskjaer. You forgot Eddie Howe and Tony Pulis.
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Is behind Lille in Ligue 1 and nobody says anything. Despite that every manager run away with the League after one month.
Great job hating.
Than going on about managers better than Solskjaer. You forgot Eddie Howe and Tony Pulis.
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Most of those players weren't rated that highly before Poch came along.
As for Pep and Klopp-they wouldn't even touch the Spurs job when Poch took over. They had a small transfer budget and very small wage capacity in 2014.
Finally some balance
I agree with you, he’s a very good manager and I’m open to him managing us one day for sure, just not at the moment as it’s clear we’re building something.Is there something wrong in mentioning the Manchester United manager in a Manchester United forum, in a thread where 50% of the posts reference the Manchester United manager?
When you quote me and I haven’t mentioned him, yes it’s fecking odd.
I like Poch, it’s clear he’s a good manager, this statement has feck all to do with the current Manchester United manager nor any past or future United manager.
Imagine replying to a post saying that “this manager is good” and defending his record with a big rant about another manager who has nothing to do with him.
Imagine going in to a thread about a player, say Sancho and defending his record and saying how much you like him, only to receive replies defending Martial.
May have something to do with your post sitting amongst a sea of Ole shit and then your post getting swept up in that, not your fault I know but understandable
Especially when a lot of these posts are people moaning Poch isn’t our manager with little jibes at Ole. Do people think that isn’t going to get a reaction?
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Woah, hold up...Finally some balance
Surely not two balanced posts in one thread...from different posters.
Madness.
100 percent agree with the above.
If he beats Liverpool and Man City en route to winning the Champion's League, I'm #PochIn
He'll be a United club legend already.
He'll be a United club legend already.
Finally some balance
Well he’s not gonna manage us for at least 18 months anyhow, even if our form dropped off a cliff, so it’s kind of a moot point.
But yeah he’s a good manager.
Did Poch rely on Mbappe’s individual brilliance to win that game last night?
A bit of that, a bit of quality attacking football, and a massive chunk of God awful defending from Barca!!
Probably the worst Barca team I've ever seen!
The Barcelona they faced last night is a far cry from the Barcelona of the last few years, and even further from that of its previous peak (14/15).
Not to take away from what was a great result, but the true measure will be to see how the cope up against the likes of Bayern and City, potentially even Atletico this season.
I really like Poch and think he's almost certainly going to ascend into the top tier of managers in the next few seasons. I still think there's a very good chance he'll manage here at some point.
But we've seen so many strange one-off results this season across Europe. It's difficult to know how much to read into last night.
Not to take away from what was a great result, but the true measure will be to see how the cope up against the likes of Bayern and City, potentially even Atletico this season.
I really like Poch and think he's almost certainly going to ascend into the top tier of managers in the next few seasons. I still think there's a very good chance he'll manage here at some point.
But we've seen so many strange one-off results this season across Europe. It's difficult to know how much to read into last night.
Imagine posting a big rant in a United forum where the core aspect of discussion is the comparison between him and our current manager and being baffled that someone has the audacity to reference that.
It's baffling isn't it? RAF thinks his post exists in a vacuum.Especially when a lot of these posts are people moaning Poch isn’t our manager with little jibes at Ole. Do people think that isn’t going to get a reaction?
You quoted my post man.
Good choice. For some reason poch fanboys can't seem to celebrate their man's accomplishments without comparing and demeaning our own manager, which makes this thread another pointless screaming match.
Yes...
It is weird how so many football fans are so quick to jump to X=Y conclusions.
Pochettino gets a good result for PSG = we were mad to miss out on him
Lingard puts in a decent performance for West Ham = he could definitely have done a job for us and we were stupid for letting him go
Mata out of the picture = we wouldn't have dropped so many points lately with him in the team
Make a certain sub at a certain time = definite improvement on the actual end result
There are so many of these trains of thought going on all the time. None of them are ever particularly logical and many of them have real evidence available to suggest they are wrong, but people make them nonetheless.
It should be no surprise to see Poch making a promising start at PSG. Factor in new manager bounce, the players they have and he is also obviously a strong manager. It doesn't mean that he would be a sure thing at United though, or that his credentials were so strong that we should have sacked a manager to get him here at any cost.
Pochettino gets a good result for PSG = we were mad to miss out on him
Lingard puts in a decent performance for West Ham = he could definitely have done a job for us and we were stupid for letting him go
Mata out of the picture = we wouldn't have dropped so many points lately with him in the team
Make a certain sub at a certain time = definite improvement on the actual end result
There are so many of these trains of thought going on all the time. None of them are ever particularly logical and many of them have real evidence available to suggest they are wrong, but people make them nonetheless.
It should be no surprise to see Poch making a promising start at PSG. Factor in new manager bounce, the players they have and he is also obviously a strong manager. It doesn't mean that he would be a sure thing at United though, or that his credentials were so strong that we should have sacked a manager to get him here at any cost.
Especially when a lot of these posts are people moaning Poch isn’t our manager with little jibes at Ole. Do people think that isn’t going to get a reaction?
The Ole-In lot were also quick into this thread after the game to try to downplay it and blame a poor Barca team. If anybody mentions that we're doing better in the league because Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs etc aren't at the normal standard, it's not allowed. But hypocrisy apparently doesn't exist on Red Cafe.
@Amadaeus is always right.
- He's a very capable manager
- Over-achieved with the squad backing he got at Spurs
- Will likely do well at PSG before a move to one of the big two in Spain
You can't read much into a victory over this Barcelona side, but Pochettino is clearly a very good coach and was among my first choices to replace Ole last year.
Not sure how he will handle the weight of expectations at PSG, but if he succeeds in going deep in the CL and winning a couple of French titles, I expect Real Madrid is where his future lies.
Not sure how he will handle the weight of expectations at PSG, but if he succeeds in going deep in the CL and winning a couple of French titles, I expect Real Madrid is where his future lies.
PSG sacked Tuchel - who was duly to terminate Chelsea’s club legend experiment as he is, you know, a much better manager than Lampard - so they could hire Pochettino. That’s the calibre of manager we are talking here.
Yet at least twice we delayed and delayed plumping for the Argentine despite him being reportedly our no.1 target and him being very interested in taking over here.
Quite frustrating.
Yet at least twice we delayed and delayed plumping for the Argentine despite him being reportedly our no.1 target and him being very interested in taking over here.
Quite frustrating.
As a club, we're not exactly known for decisiveness - we just react as things happen to us, rather than attempting to shape events ourselves. It's probably a consequence of having owners who don't like/know anything about football (but are at the same time unwilling to appoint anyone to a senior management position who does).
Agree with this. It's a poor Barca side, but PSG were also without Neymar and di Maria.
Poch is a brilliant manager.
Leicester are actually low key quite big spenders these days - I don't get the idea of discounting smaller cups for managers who aren't at the big clubs because realistically, unless you're moving mountains like Mou did with Porto, when are they ever going to win a major trophy? Even then, how many United fans were clamouring for Ranieri?
Poch is very obviously a top coach. Even the most salty Spurs fans I know adore him. The question mark is over whether he can be truly elite i.e. regularly competing for leagues and CL but to suggest he couldn't take on any PL club in the top 6 or so and have them at least matching what United have done post SAF is ludicrous because we've already seen him better it without anywhere near as much money and developing loads of players.
Exactly, which is why beating Poch with a stick on the no trophy point is just weird.
He was unavailable before the summer. You were falling for the media and their clickbait articles.
The problem with the psg job is that it's tricky to gauge how well he's doing unless he wins the CL. French titles are a given. It seems more of a case of will he choke like his predecessors.
He was being sarcastic as people constantly say that Ole relies on Bruno's individual brilliance to win games
That's true, although it does allow him to get the 'no trophy' monkey off his back, even if those trophies are only French ones.
Winning the CL always requires an element of luck, but he'll need to go deep in the competition and demonstrate that he can handle the mega-egos he now has to deal with in the dressing room. If he does all of that, it will be enough to see him get a Bayern/Real/Juve type job in 18 months. I think he'll end up at Real Madrid.
I'm a United fan not an Ole fan(boy) (or whoever is the manager for that matter). As much I loved Ole the player the same I dislike him as a coach. Not anything to do with his personality or pressers or anything like that, it's that he is in bloody Manchester United not Cardiff (though that didn't go well, did it?) which spent 300m as a coach for his transfers and after 2,5 years we don't have a style of play. Our defence probably is worse bar Shaw(who already was in the team and AWB) I can't think any other team that a former legend was the manager and got so much free pass.
Name me a team that a former legend didn't deliver football-wise and trophy-wise and they just waited for him to become a better coach.
Frankly it's plain stupid comparing SAF to Ole but I'll play your game, so tell me how long took SAF to win a domestic or European cup? Mind you that the Scottish league was and still is by far and away more difficult than the Norwegian and to get between Celtic and Rangers is almost like a title for any of the other teams.
Still don't get how people are saying psg beat a weak Barca side, on paper that Barca side from last night looked better than PSG's
Can’t disagree with anything you have said there
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