Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[Bearded One]

Of course we did. Not sure Poch is even close to this two though.

We did? When was that please?

I think Poch could be that good if he gets the opportunity to manage at the top level but I cannot put him in that category yet since he is yet to prove himself there. PSG offers him a good opportunity to show that he is much more than a manager of underdogs.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Pochettino is a good manager and so is Ole why are people trying to downplay either of them is beyond me?

 

[B. Munich]

PSG sacked Tuchel - who was duly to terminate Chelsea’s club legend experiment as he is, you know, a much better manager than Lampard - so they could hire Pochettino. That’s the calibre of manager we are talking here.

Yet at least twice we delayed and delayed plumping for the Argentine despite him being reportedly our no.1 target and him being very interested in taking over here.

Quite frustrating.

PSG didn't fire Tuchel to bring Poch in for sorting reasons. Tuchels was fired, because of his rotten relationship with Leandro. Tuchel won the double with PSG and reached the CL Final, which they lost closely to Bayern. Poch needs to win the treble to better Tuchel. Good luck with that.

 

[SwedishFish]

PSG didn't fire Tuchel to bring Poch in for sorting reasons. Tuchels was fired, because of his rotten relationship with Leandro. Tuchel won the double with PSG and reached the CL Final, which they lost closely to Bayern. Poch needs to win the treble to better Tuchel. Good luck with that.

He only really needs to win the Champions League. We all know that's all that matters to PSG at this point.

 

[Godfather]

We did? When was that please?

I think Poch could be that good if he gets the opportunity to manage at the top level but I cannot put him in that category yet since he is yet to prove himself there. PSG offers him a good opportunity to show that he is much more than a manager of underdogs.

Miss out was what I meant mate

 

[Ish]

Aaargh the madness of the Caf

A Poch thread becomes Ole v Poch.

The one thing I would note though is ive seen a lot of posts about “Liverpool or Spurs have/had a world class team/squad” in reference to either why Poch should have won something or how it’s improbable to compete with Klopp....those posts almost always lack some context for obvious reasons.

Those 2 managers were mainly responsible for those teams/squads being perceived as world class due to either developing some of those players, or their systems making said players/teams look world class (the whole being greater than the sum of individuals etc).

But anyway, wouldn’t read too much into demolishing Barca. They’ve needed a rebuild for about 5 years and still you see Pique, Busquets, Alba in their side. See Bayern destroying them and what Liverpool/Roma did to them previous seasons.

 

[Amadaeus]

Did Poch rely on Mbappe’s individual brilliance to win that game last night?

All the goals they scored were from a well tactical worked goal. As highlighted in the tactical analysis video below. Individual brilliance is when you score a worldie like Bruno, Pogba, and Rashford has consistently done at United, that highlights lacks of proper coaching.

My god...how?

his time At spurs where he showed the consistency to maintain a high level of performance despite not getting a Backing of a big club highlights a top manager. As seen with city, liverpool, and United, when you spend big, you win things. Pochettino at spurs were below even west ham, Everton, and Newcastle in spending, so it was not normal that they would consistently finish top four and reach the latter half of important cup competitions. As I have stated before, he was a Bruno signing away from winning a significant trophy with spurs, which would have changed the mind of poster like you who believe trophies are everything irrespective of the outlook of that club.

if he accomplishes anything more significant with this psg team, I would be surprised. He definetly has better talented players at psg than he had at spurs, but I m sure Pochettino wants to add top players to suits his philosophy. I am he has some changes he wants to make to this psg side. he might want to add better ball player center back Like Konde to his team, clinical no.9, and maurading fullbacks. With the rumor of messi to psg, I m not sure if that will work out for Pochettino.

@Amadaeus is always right.

I have to cut back on my arrogance.it seems number of mods and member on here don’t like that.

 

[Bearded One]

There is no need to disrespect Ole, the man is doing just fine. I think we need to quit wishing we had another person (I’d been there before) and hope the higher ups can give Ole the support he requires.

We may need to bite the bullet and allow ourselves get shafted once in a while to get a deal over the line but we must not stay still this summer. We need Bruno-like signings so can we truly compete for the league.

 

[romufc]

Pochettino at spurs were below even west ham, Everton, and Newcastle in spending, so it was not normal that they would consistently finish top four and reach the latter half of important cup competitions. As I have stated before, he was a Bruno signing away from winning a significant trophy with spurs, which would have changed the mind of poster like you who believe trophies are everything irrespective of the outlook of that club.

That is not entirely true.

In Poch's time Spurs spend 536m whereas West Ham spent 421m and Newcastle 360m.

You can say he was a Bruno signing aways but he had the choice between Bruno and Lo Celso and we all know which one he chose.

Spurs before Poch were competing in the top 4 and CL see Harry Redknapp season when they beat Inter.

So don't act as if he transformed Spurs into something...

 

[mu4c_20le]

N'Dombele was supposed to be that Bruno signing.

 

[Champ]

He was being sarcastic as people constantly say that Ole relies on Bruno's individual brilliance to win games

Whoosh....
Right over my head

 

[Amadaeus]

That is not entirely true.

In Poch's time Spurs spend 536m whereas West Ham spent 421m and Newcastle 360m.

You can say he was a Bruno signing aways but he had the choice between Bruno and Lo Celso and we all know which one he chose.

Spurs before Poch were competing in the top 4 and CL see Harry Redknapp season when they beat Inter.

So don't act as if he transformed Spurs into something...

lo celso was a loan to buy. If Pochettino had the funds, he would have chosen Bruno. Heck he even wanted coutinho and Dybala over lo celso. He was limited to the funds he was given since he was not at a club that spent a lot. Cant believe people still arguing about this when Jamie carraghar recently on MNF proclaimed with evidence how Pochettino was not given enough funds.

Spoiler

I must have mistaken Newcastle for another team, but the graph above just highlights the differ between the other top six and Pochettino spending/net spend. What he done with such little spending is remarkable. Also, Harry spurs was consistently in top four or made champions league final. Moreover, they had two world class elite talent in Bale and modric in their prime, who both went to Real Madrid. Even with a team as strong as that he couldn’t accomplish the things Pochettino did.

 

[romufc]

lo celso was a loan to buy. If Pochettino had the funds, he would have chosen Bruno. Heck he even wanted coutinho and Dybala over lo celso. He was limited to the funds he was given since he was not at a club that spent a lot. Cant believe people still arguing about this when Jamie carraghar recently on MNF proclaimed with evidence how Pochettino was not given enough funds.

Spoiler

I must have mistaken Newcastle for another team, but the graph above just highlights the differ between the other top six and Pochettino spending/net spend. What he done with such little spending is remarkable. Also, Harry spurs was consistently in top four or made champions league final. Moreover, they had two world class elite talent in Bale and modric in their prime, who both went to Real Madrid. Even with a team as strong as that he couldn’t accomplish the things Pochettino did.

Lo Celso was loaned and bought in Jan for similar fee to Bruno so clearly funds was not the issue.

They built a new stadium, so I am not sure what you mean he wasn't given funds.

Net spend means Levy done good business selling players, what player did Levy sell that Poch wanted? He got the money to spend and he spent it badly.

Harry had prime players ? Poch had Prime Dembele, Kane, Son and couldn't acomplish more than Redknapp.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Still don't get how people are saying psg beat a weak Barca side, on paper that Barca side from last night looked better than PSG's

This. People behave like PSG have some dream team. But they don't. They have two world class top stars in Mbappe and Neymar (who didn't even play yesterday) and excellent midfielder in Veratti. And that is it. How many of other players from yesterday wiuld walk straight in our first 11?
No one here, for example, would not want Kean and Icardi.

 

[Amadaeus]

Lo Celso was loaned and bought in Jan for similar fee to Bruno so clearly funds was not the issue.

They built a new stadium, so I am not sure what you mean he wasn't given funds.

Net spend means Levy done good business selling players, what player did Levy sell that Poch wanted? He got the money to spend and he spent it badly.

Harry had prime players ? Poch had Prime Dembele, Kane, Son and couldn't acomplish more than Redknapp.

if such a deal was presented for Bruno that then Bruno would have been the prefered option. Bruno previous club was not having that and no other club was willing to pay the amount that they proposed in the summer. Moreover, lo celso was bought for 27.5m, while Bruno was bought for 67.6m(with add on). Unless you are bad at math, that is not similiar. It just shows me you don’t know what you are talking about and I will just let you have your own belief because you can’t argue with someone who isn’t living in reality. Prime kane and son isn’t significantly better than prime bale and Modric. Kane is on the same level, but not son and definitely not Dembele. Moreover, Pochettino did accomplish more than redknapp.

 

[mu4c_20le]

This. People behave like PSG have some dream team. But they don't. They have two world class top stars in Mbappe and Neymar (who didn't even play yesterday) and excellent midfielder in Veratti. And that is it. How many of other players from yesterday wiuld walk straight in our first 11?
No one here, for example, would not want Kean and Icardi.

I'd take both their CBs in a heartbeat. Marquinhos is world class and a real leader.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Woo hoo will equal Pochettino hopefully by the end of this season.

Ole is improving bit by bit for such a young manager to be amongst the Klopps and Peps of world football so soon.

It's between you and GoldTrafford99 now for the next Sammsky award. Zen86 tried to be in the running but seemed decent enough to drop out.

 

[MattofManchester]

I will say this. I prefer to watch PSG under Poch more than I watched PSG under Tuchel

 

[Andycoleno9]

It's between you and GoldTrafford99 now for the next Sammsky award. Zen86 tried to be in the running but seemed decent enough to drop out.

In fairness, Bebe is not insulting people. I strongly disagree with him but after today i understand him. On the other hand, all what Goldtrafford is doing is throwing insults left and right.

 

[passing-wind]

Interesting to see how Poch does with what I'd consider a partly world class team. I won't bother with the who's the better manager, I've always felt Poch is superior of the two, coaching shouldn't even really be a debate. I'd have Poch as somewhere beneath Klopp / Guardiola, Flick. Along the lines of a Simeone, Tuchel.

 

[Cast5]

All the goals they scored were from a well tactical worked goal. As highlighted in the tactical analysis video below. Individual brilliance is when you score a worldie like Bruno, Pogba, and Rashford has consistently done at United, that highlights lacks of proper coaching

There’s loads of tactical analysis of solskjaer’s coaching on YouTube if you want to have a look, I agree Poch is a good coach, so is Ole, I think you missed my point, when United score a good goal it’s individual brilliance, When anyone else scores it’s genius team play. United have scored the most goals in the league this season, every single goal is down to individual brilliance apparently.. which is a complete load of rubbish. It’s not solskjaers fault you don’t understand his tactics and need YouTube tactical analysis videos to explain the game to you.

Bruno’s goal against West Brom was called individual brilliance on here, you can do tactical analysis for any goal..

“Fred plays the ball out to Maguire who drives forward committing a West Brom defender to come out and close him down leaving space for Shaw to attack the full back 1 on 1, Maguire passes him the ball and Shaw hits the by line and crosses it in to the box where Bruno hits it and scores, Genius from Solskjaer getting Maguire to drive in to midfield to create overloads and commit defenders against a packed West Brom defence”

That’s basically all tactical analysis videos say. Football basics.

 

[Jim Beam]

I'd take both their CBs in a heartbeat. Marquinhos is world class and a real leader.

Aside from Mbappe, Neymar and Verratti, both Kimpembe and Marquinhos would walk into our first 11 as you say. Ironically, Navas would also have a place and I wouldn't say no to Kurzawa.

Now it will look like he is working with a bunch of scrubs. It is still one of the best teams in Europe. Excellent performance and result though, especially the way they used their fullbacks in the attack (which is the main difference looking at both teams).

 

[giorno]

This. People behave like PSG have some dream team. But they don't. They have two world class top stars in Mbappe and Neymar (who didn't even play yesterday) and excellent midfielder in Veratti. And that is it. How many of other players from yesterday wiuld walk straight in our first 11?
No one here, for example, would not want Kean and Icardi.

Keylor Navas, Marquinhos, Icardi too considering you're playing Cavani...

But barcelona had a better team on paper how? Pique rushed back from a 3 months injury absence plus Lenglet against Marquinhos(quite possibly the best CB in the world atm) and Kimpembe? A kid and old man Alba vs Florenzi and Kimpembe? The remains of Busquets, De Jong and another kid vs Marco Verratti????(plus Paredes, who is no slouch either)

PSG were in a CL final just 5 months ago! With most of those same players! 5 psg players who started the CL final started yesterday. Verratti didn't start against bayern because of injury, but came on late into the game. Kurzawa also played and so did Draxler. In total 9 players from the CL final played yesterday. Barcelona started 7 players from the 8-2. And another who came off the bench then started yesterday as well

 

[meamth]

There’s loads of tactical analysis of solskjaer’s coaching on YouTube if you want to have a look, I agree Poch is a good coach, so is Ole, I think you missed my point, when United score a good goal it’s individual brilliance, When anyone else scores it’s genius team play. United have scored the most goals in the league this season, every single goal is down to individual brilliance apparently.. which is a complete load of rubbish. It’s not solskjaers fault you don’t understand his tactics and need YouTube tactical analysis videos to explain the game to you.

Bruno’s goal against West Brom was called individual brilliance on here, you can do tactical analysis for any goal..

“Fred plays the ball out to Maguire who drives forward committing a West Brom defender to come out and close him down leaving space for Shaw to attack the full back 1 on 1, Maguire passes him the ball and Shaw hits the by line and crosses it in to the box where Bruno hits it and scores, Genius from Solskjaer getting Maguire to drive in to midfield to create overloads and commit defenders against a packed West Brom defence”

That’s basically all tactical analysis videos say. Football basics.

Yeah. "This is how Insert Manager name masterclass vs insert manager name" Tactical analysis by Nouman34324

Obviously, every time a big team is beaten, it was a masterclass.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

There is no need to disrespect Ole, the man is doing just fine. I think we need to quit wishing we had another person (I’d been there before) and hope the higher ups can give Ole the support he requires.

We may need to bite the bullet and allow ourselves get shafted once in a while to get a deal over the line but we must not stay still this summer. We need Bruno-like signings so can we truly compete for the league.

Preferring other managers is perfectly fine. Ole isn't exactly an exemplar manager himself. If people think he isn't top they should want better since I'm sure we all agree that Manchester United is among the world's biggest football clubs.

 

[Bearded One]

Preferring other managers is perfectly fine. Ole isn't exactly an exemplar manager himself. If people think he isn't top they should want better since I'm sure we all agree that Manchester United is among the world's biggest football clubs.

I agree with you that we should aspire for the best where possible only that some posters on this thread take the opportunity to have a go at Ole. I wasn’t expecting too much from him but now I think if we have a very good summer, we can have a shot at winning the league next season.

 

[romufc]

if such a deal was presented for Bruno that then Bruno would have been the prefered option. Bruno previous club was not having that and no other club was willing to pay the amount that they proposed in the summer. Moreover, lo celso was bought for 27.5m, while Bruno was bought for 67.6m(with add on). Unless you are bad at math, that is not similiar. It just shows me you don’t know what you are talking about and I will just let you have your own belief because you can’t argue with someone who isn’t living in reality. Prime kane and son isn’t significantly better than prime bale and Modric. Kane is on the same level, but not son and definitely not Dembele. Moreover, Pochettino did accomplish more than redknapp.

First of all, go check your maths skills before questioning mine. They had to pay a £15m loan fee as well. I guess you decided to ignore that because it suits your narrative.

This shows me that you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about and letting your beliefs think you are right.

Do you want me to show you Kane and Son numbers compared to Modric and Bale at Spurs. Also in case you didn't know, players hit their Prime at 26-30 in which both Bale and Modric were at Madrid whereas Son and Kane were at Spurs.

Finally, Dembele was one of the best CM in the league. What he got into a CL final means he achieved more? Di Matteo won a CL final, does it make him a better manager than Poch?

Poch bottled league titles when he had a very good spurs team.

 

[Zlatan 7]

All the goals they scored were from a well tactical worked goal. As highlighted in the tactical analysis video below. Individual brilliance is when you score a worldie like Bruno, Pogba, and Rashford has consistently done at United, that highlights lacks of proper coaching.


his time At spurs where he showed the consistency to maintain a high level of performance despite not getting a Backing of a big club highlights a top manager. As seen with city, liverpool, and United, when you spend big, you win things. Pochettino at spurs were below even west ham, Everton, and Newcastle in spending, so it was not normal that they would consistently finish top four and reach the latter half of important cup competitions. As I have stated before, he was a Bruno signing away from winning a significant trophy with spurs, which would have changed the mind of poster like you who believe trophies are everything irrespective of the outlook of that club.

if he accomplishes anything more significant with this psg team, I would be surprised. He definetly has better talented players at psg than he had at spurs, but I m sure Pochettino wants to add top players to suits his philosophy. I am he has some changes he wants to make to this psg side. he might want to add better ball player center back Like Konde to his team, clinical no.9, and maurading fullbacks. With the rumor of messi to psg, I m not sure if that will work out for Pochettino.



I have to cut back on my arrogance.it seems number of mods and member on here don’t like that.

That’s absolute nonsense. All we see on here is Ole can’t coach and our goals come from individual brilliance. So I’d ask you what’s the difference between goals we’ve scored and those from mbappe last night?

have all our goals been solo runs from the half way line or 30 yard screamers this season? I really don’t think so. Or have our goals required players passing to each other and then a goal occurring, have we scored goals with 20-30 passes before hand? I think so but only the goal scorer then uses his individual brilliance I guess.

you call a goal on the break a well worked tactical goal yet we’ve scored goals in the break but we put that down to individual brilliance.

your head is so far up an arse it can’t even see what it thinks its seeing

 

[romufc]

That’s absolute nonsense. All we see on here is Ole can’t coach and our goals come from individual brilliance. So I’d ask you what’s the difference between goals we’ve scored and those from mbappe last night?

have all our goals been solo runs from the half way line or 30 yard screamers this season? I really don’t think so. Or have our goals required players passing to each other and then a goal occurring, have we scored goals with 20-30 passes before hand? I think so but only the goal scorer then uses his individual brilliance I guess.

you call a goal on the break a well worked tactical goal yet we’ve scored goals in the break but we put that down to individual brilliance.

your head is so far up an arse it can’t even see what it thinks its seeing

I tried having a discussion with him, its pointless. If someone thinks scoring on the break is tactical masterclass but when we score counter its "we can only counter through individual brilliance" shows the lack of football intelligence.

One of their goals was a set piece, alot of teams score from set pieces, it doesn't take a tactical genius for that.

 

[GMoore23]

Where did you find these stats ffs? There are so many stats wrong in your post.

The United stats are from memory.
Why which are wrong. Enlighten us all.

 

[Andycoleno9]

The United stats are from memory.
Why which are wrong. Enlighten us all.

Ah..from memory. Love those stats. They fit everywhere

 

[GMoore23]

Ah..from memory. Love those stats. They fit everywhere

So which are wrong then. Lets here it.

 

[romufc]

So which are wrong then. Lets here it.

Fergie took charge Novermber 86 - first trophy 89/90 - 3rd season trophy, then came the PL in 92/93.

Klopp joined in November 2015 and 2018 they were in a CL final.

Ole started in 2018 and we are in 2021 with no trophies, no CL.

Klopp on his way to the CL final was blowing teams apart, got to the final of Europa league in 2017 playing an exciting brand.

Are we playing an exciting brand? NO.

 

[90 + 5min]

Fergie took charge Novermber 86 - first trophy 89/90 - 3rd season trophy, then came the PL in 92/93.

Klopp joined in November 2015 and 2018 they were in a CL final.

Ole started in 2018 and we are in 2021 with no trophies, no CL.

Klopp on his way to the CL final was blowing teams apart, got to the final of Europa league in 2017 playing an exciting brand.

Are we playing an exciting brand? NO.

So many wrong in this. Solskjaer haters love to pick and twist.

Why do you mention that Solskjaer haven't won a trophy in his 2 years but you don't with Klopp as it took him 4 years?

Why don't you mention 3 semifinals in Solskjaer first year but mention Klopp and CL final after 4 years?

Why are you saying that Klopp was blowing team apart when that is not true. It is last 2 years that Liverpool have played very good football. The other seasons they were shipping in goals like they were Everton.

Why don't you mention this season at all?

 

[Hellboy]

Pochettino is a good manager and so is Ole why are people trying to downplay either of them is beyond me?

Simple question for you : Who PSG ever hire Olly ?

 

[Berbasbullet]

Simple question for you : Who PSG ever hire Olly ?

That is not a simple question!

 

[GMoore23]

Fergie took charge Novermber 86 - first trophy 89/90 - 3rd season trophy, then came the PL in 92/93.

Klopp joined in November 2015 and 2018 they were in a CL final.

Ole started in 2018 and we are in 2021 with no trophies, no CL.

Klopp on his way to the CL final was blowing teams apart, got to the final of Europa league in 2017 playing an exciting brand.

Are we playing an exciting brand? NO.

I was talking about Premier league Titles so quoting me for your post was pointless.
Also we won the Europa League in 2017 under Mourinho

So he got to the CL final and lost, EL Final and lost.
Fact is he won nothing for 4 years and took 5 years to win the league, He never even got Liverpool above 4th in the league in his first 3 seasons so Ole has already bettered him there. Ole deserves the same patience at least.

And Andycoleno9, I'm waiting on your correction to my stats as your reply was utter fecking nonsense.

 

[romufc]

So many wrong in this. Solskjaer haters love to pick and twist.

Why do you mention that Solskjaer haven't won a trophy in his 2 years but you don't with Klopp as it took him 4 years?

Why don't you mention 3 semifinals in Solskjaer first year but mention Klopp and CL final after 4 years?

Why are you saying that Klopp was blowing team apart when that is not true. It is last 2 years that Liverpool have played very good football. The other seasons they were shipping in goals like they were Everton.

Why don't you mention this season at all?

First of all, I am not a Ole hater. Go check my posts. I want whats best for the club.

I am talking about progression, Ole has not shown the same signs as the managers that he is being compared to. He has done a good job, but in time it will be clear it isn't good enough.

Klopp didn't win a trophy with Liverpool but we saw progression. Klopp took Liverpool to the final of Europa league in 15/16 in his first full season.

Also then in this 2nd full season he got to the final of the CL, we are here playing Thursday night football when the quality of CL teams is probably the lowest its ever been. We cannot even get through the group stages.

Its not true?

2017/18 -
CL Group stage - +17 goal difference
Last 16 - 5 - 0 against Porto
Quarter Final - 5-1 against City
Semi - 7-6 against Roma
PL - top 4 85 goals and 38 conceded - 2nd best goal difference.

How is that not blowing teams apart?

18/19 and 19/20 showed even further progression.

How can you even put Ole in the same sentence? Football hasn't improved, results haven't really improved.

He fluked results in 2018 and still flukes results. There is 0 consistency for 3 years.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

That is not a simple question!

ha ha. It’s an impossible question in every way.

 

[romufc]

I was talking about Premier league Titles so quoting me for your post was pointless.
Also we won the Europa League in 2017 under Mourinho

So he got to the CL final and lost, EL Final and lost.
Fact is he won nothing for 4 years and took 5 years to win the league, He never even got Liverpool above 4th in the league in his first 3 seasons so Ole has already bettered him there. Ole deserves the same patience at least.

And Andycoleno9, I'm waiting on your correction to my stats as your reply was utter fecking nonsense.

Didn't realise top honours was PL title only.

When Ole joined us we were a shambles. He's now steadied the ship and with another good transfer window will have us pushing for top honours.