Mauricio Pochettino: Win or Bust?

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Every club expects continued improvement. Given Spurs season last year is there pressure on Pochettino to deliver silverware of some sort this year? If they finish 4th in the league is that his chance gone? Is this season win or bust for him?

Id imagine the big European clubs will be circling.
 
Not another Spurs Thread... the original is bad enough.
 
Its a Mauricio Pochettino thread...

See if you can turn it into another Rooney thread there
 
Depends a lot on how it's done. If they finish 4th but only by a couple of points, whilst continuing the same football and impressive results, then i doubt anyone would care. Last season was an anomaly, there'd be no shame in them finishing behind City, United, Arsenal, etc.
 
His position in Spurs is secured I'd say, Levy's not stupid with this one, even if they finish out of top4 which is quite possible, they might replace Chelsea this year though and obviously Leicester are not gonna make it.. and he might be on the list of some big teams maybe even Chelsea but I hope he stays and signs for us in three years or so..
 
m1y2 said:
His position in Spurs is secured I'd say, Levy's not stupid with this one, even if they finish out of top4 which is quite possible, they might replace Chelsea this year though and obviously Leicester are not gonna make it.. and he might be on the list of some big teams maybe even Chelsea but I hope he stays and signs for us in three years or so..
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So youre not worried he'll just fade away as another could have been manager in the Prem then if he doesnt take the next step this season?
 
Cementing Tottenham's place in Champions League can only be seen as a success. He won't get sacked if they finish 4th. There's bigger pressure on Mou to deliver.
 
Yeah, he needs to leave for a club that'll give him a role in centre mid....oh wait.
 
Green_Red said:
So youre not worried he'll just fade away as another could have been manager in the Prem then if he doesnt take the next step this season?
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He is building something - he has made significant and positive changes in Spurs since he was appointed both off the pitch and on it. Bar a complete collapse in form that lasts for +6 months (unlikely but nothing is impossible) then he will remain at Spurs for as long as he wants to be here - all the signs are that he will remain at Spurs till at least the stadium is built and I for one hope he is here for many more years after that. Easily our best manager for decades imo.
 
Green_Red said:
So youre not worried he'll just fade away as another could have been manager in the Prem then if he doesnt take the next step this season?
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it's not his first season, in every season in Premier League so far he showed potential in my opinion, I dont think it would be a massive fail to finish let's say 5th behind some of Mourinho, Klopp, Wenger, Conte and Guardiola, if they maintain their style of football and continue to develop as a team I am sure he will be highly rated regardless the final position in the EPL or Europe, quarter finals would be for me as a minimum in the CL but everyone can fail like Fergie his last or before last? season.

My only concern with Pochettino is that he will be trying to stack with too many average squad players like Son, Njie, Wanyama, Jansen and trying to develop players instead of to add instant quality and win the titles..
 
m1y2 said:
it's not his first season, in every season in Premier League so far he showed potential in my opinion, I dont think it would be a massive fail to finish let's say 5th behind some of Mourinho, Klopp, Wenger, Conte and Guardiola, if they maintain their style of football and continue to develop as a team I am sure he will be highly rated regardless the final position in the EPL or Europe, quarter finals would be for me as a minimum in the CL but everyone can fail like Fergie his last or before last? season.

My only concern with Pochettino is that he will be trying to stack with too many average squad players like Son, Njie, Wanyama, Jansen and trying to develop players instead of to add instant quality and win the titles..
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Interesting you chose to include Son and Wanyama in the 'average squad players' list despite them both being outstanding so far this season for us and core first team players. Jansen needs time to adjust and the jury is still out, Njie doesnt play for the club anymore.
 
NoLogo said:
Sacking him would be madness but he might very well move on to a real top club if he can't make any progress with Spurs anymore.
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Sacking him would be madness, 100% agree - he is making progress though and he can achieve his aims here if we continue to improve.
 
Skills said:
I think he'll end up at Barca pretty soon
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I dunno, I can't see Enrique leaving unless he has an absolute horror show of a season (last 16 CL, 3rd in La Liga etc), and with the squad he has assembled, that is not going to happen for the medium term, I'd say.

Pochettino plays a great brand of football, but for all the plaudits, he still actually hasn't won anything. Last season presented him with the perfect opportunity in both the EL and the league, and in both instances his team failed. Not to mention, the points tally he amassed last season would have got him 5th in any season where the normal top 4 were in a normal state.
 
He's consolidating Spur's position in the top 4 or 5 very nicely. No longer do I expect them to follow one good season by a mid table finish. They need to hang on to him, at any cost.
 
balaks said:
Interesting you chose to include Son and Wanyama in the 'average squad players' list despite them both being outstanding so far this season for us and core first team players. Jansen needs time to adjust and the jury is still out, Njie doesnt play for the club anymore.
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Son hit a great form and Wanyama okay but they are not going to start in the future in the perfect constellation. I think Jansen was a poor choice for a back up striker as good as Kane
 
rotherham_red said:
I dunno, I can't see Enrique leaving unless he has an absolute horror show of a season (last 16 CL, 3rd in La Liga etc), and with the squad he has assembled, that is not going to happen for the medium term, I'd say.

Pochettino plays a great brand of football, but for all the plaudits, he still actually hasn't won anything. Last season presented him with the perfect opportunity in both the EL and the league, and in both instances his team failed. Not to mention, the points tally he amassed last season would have got him 5th in any season where the normal top 4 were in a normal state.
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I think Enrique will need to deliver another Champions League title this season. Suarez is 29, so the peak MSN window is probably going to start closing next season. So they'll probably make a change, to get another Champions League title out of them.

One CL with the attack they have assembled, would be a bit underwhelming.
 
Pochettino is a quite magic manager.

He guided Espanyol to the bottom of La Liga, got sacked and... 'abracadabra!'... gets a job in the Premier League.

He then took a very good Southampton team to a mid-table finish and... 'abracadabra!'... lands at Spurs.

He then failed to finish above the Gooners, topped the worst Man Utd side in recent history by only 4pts and otherwise failed to make an impact in a season where all the big boys were below par and... 'abracadabra!'... "big European clubs will be circling".

I don't get the hype.
 
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gav81 said:
Pochettino is a quite magic manager.

He guided Espanyol to the bottom of La Liga, got sacked and... 'abracadabra!'... gets a job in the Premier League.

He then took a very good Southampton team to a mid-table finish and... 'abracadabra!'... lands at Spurs.

He then failed finish above the Gooners, topped the worst Man Utd side in recent history by only 4pts and otherwise failed to make an impact in a season where all the big boys were below par and... 'abracadabra!'... "big European clubs will be circling".

I don't get the hype.
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Ok.
 
gav81 said:
Pochettino is a quite magic manager.

He guided Espanyol to the bottom of La Liga, got sacked and... 'abracadabra!'... gets a job in the Premier League.

He then took a very good Southampton team to a mid-table finish and... 'abracadabra!'... lands at Spurs.

He then failed to finish above the Gooners, topped the worst Man Utd side in recent history by only 4pts and otherwise failed to make an impact in a season where all the big boys were below par and... 'abracadabra!'... "big European clubs will be circling".

I don't get the hype.
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Just an awful post
 
Pochettino is highly unlikely to go to Barcelona since he claimed that Espanyol are the real club of the Catalans.

Real Madrid is a genuine possibility, outside of them I can't see him leaving Spurs for a good few years yet, certainly not to a club in England.

And Poch to Real is not a fit, his philosophy flies in the face of Real's Galatico approach.
 
gav81 said:
Pochettino is a quite magic manager.

He guided Espanyol to the bottom of La Liga, got sacked and... 'abracadabra!'... gets a job in the Premier League.

He then took a very good Southampton team to a mid-table finish and... 'abracadabra!'... lands at Spurs.

He then failed to finish above the Gooners, topped the worst Man Utd side in recent history by only 4pts and otherwise failed to make an impact in a season where all the big boys were below par and... 'abracadabra!'... "big European clubs will be circling".

I don't get the hype.
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Erm, Saints were treading water just above relegation when he took over iirc.
 
His main job is to cement their place in the top four. If he achieves that, then he will deserve full credit for taking Spurs to a better level than the one they were when he took over. And, to be honest, it will be quite an achievement in itself considering the crazy amount of money being spent in England and the level of competitiveness (two sugar daddy clubs, a commercial behemoth and two more clubs with great history in the game) in the league. But they will need to punch way above their belt to win the title, i'm sure Levy realizes this and that the majority of their fans realize it too.

The logic behind their dealings in the market last summer which can be viewed as "won't sell the quality we already have but we will add some depth to the squad" maybe indicate that they want to do better in cup competitions and especially in the CL. If there was one thing Pochettino could be criticized for last season this would his choice to completely ignore all cup competitions, both domestic and European, in order to focus on what seemed to be a very "vague" title challenge. It's not my intention to open this discussion again (obviously Spurs' fans saw things differently at the time) but my opinion was they are strong enough to beat any PL team in one game and they had a very good chance to go all the way in the Europa League. Now, they can absolutely win the two domestic cups and they should aim for the last 8 in the CL.

Life at Tottenham won't stop, if Pochettino leaves to manage another club. They will look for the next man who will progress their plan one step further and if they have made top four for two seasons in a row, if they have made it to the knock out phase of the CL and if they offer the promise of silverware, they will certainly have more managers and players to pick from. Sadly, only in our club both the board and the majority of fans believe that the manager is the be-all end-all at the club.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Erm, Saints were treading water just above relegation when he took over iirc.
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And that season took them a whole 5pts above the relegation zone. It was hardly Earth shattering; nothing Adkins couldn't have achieved given the chance. Really it was the former manager who laid the groundwork and Pochettino just carried it on, even then not so impressively as Koeman last season.


TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
His main job is to cement their place in the top four. If he achieves that, then he will deserve full credit for taking Spurs to a better level than the one they were when he took over.
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Just like old Uncle 'Arry... except 'Arry's Spurs got more points than Pochettino's (edit: no sorry, 'Arry got the same points as Poch, it was Villas-Boas who got more).

Oh I didn't answer the OP's question. No, there is no pressure on Pochettino. Because like I said, he's magic. Even if he finishes below expectations he will likely keep his job, and if not... 'abracadabra!"... he will land on his feet at a bigger club.

I'll leave the thread alone now before people start thinking I'm a WUM - I'm not, it's just that Pochettino genuinely doesn't impress me.
 
gav81 said:
And that season took them a whole 5pts above the relegation zone. It was hardly Earth shattering; nothing Adkins couldn't have achieved given the chance. Really it was the former manager who laid the groundwork and Pochettino just carried it on, even then not so impressively as Koeman last season.




Just like old Uncle 'Arry... except 'Arry's Spurs got more points than Pochettino's (edit: no sorry, 'Arry got the same points as Poch, it was Villas-Boas who got more).

Oh I didn't answer the OP's question. No, there is no pressure on Pochettino. Because like I said, he's magic. Even if he finishes below expectations he will likely keep his job, and if not... 'abracadabra!"... he will land on his feet at a bigger club.

I'll leave the thread alone now before people start thinking I'm a WUM - I'm not, it's just that Pochettino genuinely doesn't impress me.
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And Abracadabra......he's gone - to a bigger and better thread (probably).
 
gav81 said:
And that season took them a whole 5pts above the relegation zone. It was hardly Earth shattering; nothing Adkins couldn't have achieved given the chance. Really it was the former manager who laid the groundwork and Pochettino just carried it on, even then not so impressively as Koeman last season.




Just like old Uncle 'Arry... except 'Arry's Spurs got more points than Pochettino's (edit: no sorry, 'Arry got the same points as Poch, it was Villas-Boas who got more).

Oh I didn't answer the OP's question. No, there is no pressure on Pochettino. Because like I said, he's magic. Even if he finishes below expectations he will likely keep his job, and if not... 'abracadabra!"... he will land on his feet at a bigger club.

I'll leave the thread alone now before people start thinking I'm a WUM - I'm not, it's just that Pochettino genuinely doesn't impress me.
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Ok bye.
 
It's Tottenham he's in charge of, a club with fewer league titles than Huddersfield. If he gets them in the top 4 again and win a cup, he's already done better than any manager since Terry Venables. I think he will eventually leave for a bigger club, not in England though, but in Spain, maybe not Barcelona since they usually want someone with a past at the club, but both Madrid clubs is a possibility.
 
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Sorry, I'm really going now :lol:
 
This "win or bust" idea is fluff. At the end of the day there's only one winner. That doesn't mean everyone else has failed. I don't expect Utd to win the league but as long as we remain competitive and with a chance going to the close that's a good season. Because with a new manager and the fact the last three years have seen us finish 7th, 4th and 5th I'm not setting the stall too high.

That's 3 years of United battling for top 4 and twice failing to get it despite all the ridiculous spend in that time. Getting into the top 4 these days is difficult. If Spurs finish in the top 4 again that's another step forward (back to back seasons in the Champions League for the first time).
 
I think Spurs and Pochettino are good match. He'll deliver the minimal targets and the board will be happy. The way I see it - he won't get sacked even if they finish 5th, 6th or even 8th in the final table.

A bigger club can snatch him of course and probably Real can be on the lookout as soon as Zidane fails for couple of games more.
 
Boycott said:
This "win or bust" idea is fluff. At the end of the day there's only one winner. That doesn't mean everyone else has failed. I don't expect Utd to win the league but as long as we remain competitive and with a chance going to the close that's a good season. Because with a new manager and the fact the last three years have seen us finish 7th, 4th and 5th I'm not setting the stall too high.

That's 3 years of United battling for top 4 and twice failing to get it despite all the ridiculous spend in that time. Getting into the top 4 these days is difficult. If Spurs finish in the top 4 again that's another step forward (back to back seasons in the Champions League for the first time).
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Yep.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I think Spurs and Pochettino are good match. He'll deliver the minimal targets and the board will be happy. The way I see it - he won't get sacked even if they finish 5th, 6th or even 8th in the final table.

A bigger club can snatch him of course and probably Real can be on the lookout as soon as Zidane fails for couple of games more.
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Real Madrid are probably the only club right now that I think we would lose him to if they came in for him.
 
balaks said:
Real Madrid are probably the only club right now that I think we would lose him to if they came in for him.
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plus Barcelona, Atletico Madrid(if Simeone leaves), United, City and probably Arsenal.
 
Enigma_87 said:
plus Barcelona, Atletico Madrid(if Simeone leaves), United, City and probably Arsenal.
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Barcelona will never appoint him due to the Espanyol history - I do not think he would move to another club in England personally and most certainly not Arsenal. The only one out of those you could make a case for would be Athletico but what could he achieve there that he couldn't achieve at Spurs if he is able to continue improving them? Plus you need to consider the upcoming stadium, etc.
 
gav81 said:
I'll leave the thread alone now before people start thinking I'm a WUM - I'm not, it's just that Pochettino genuinely doesn't impress me.
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It must be his well hidden teeth which gives you the impression of a fraud that conceals aces of all colours in his sleeves.

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balaks said:
Barcelona will never appoint him due to the Espanyol history - I do not think he would move to another club in England personally and most certainly not Arsenal. The only one out of those you could make a case for would be Athletico but what could he achieve there that he couldn't achieve at Spurs if he is able to continue improving them? Plus you need to consider the upcoming stadium, etc.
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On Barcelona you are probably right, although we've seen crazier things than playing for your rival and managing them for 3 years early in his career. Don't think Barca fans hold a grudge for him.

Atletico are on another level compared to Spurs at the moment. Spurs played couple of times in CL since the inception of PL while Atletico were in two of the last couple of finals. Plus - living in his home country, etc.

Arsenal, City, United - all can offer him better terms than Spurs, better budget to work with (with the exception of Arsenal), better chance at silverware, etc.
 
balaks said:
Barcelona will never appoint him due to the Espanyol history - I do not think he would move to another club in England personally and most certainly not Arsenal. The only one out of those you could make a case for would be Athletico but what could he achieve there that he couldn't achieve at Spurs if he is able to continue improving them? Plus you need to consider the upcoming stadium, etc.
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What makes you say this, I believe it was reported a year ago or so that his dream job woul dbe Barcelona and I could see why, he would be a perfect transition for their style. Imagine the style they have now posession mixed with counter attacking, Poch would add a hard press to that. Would be some sight.

Also those saying he doesnt suit Madrids ethos, completely wrong, Madrid have taken an absolute battering by us lately, De Gea followed by Pogba, financially they are slipping from a place of power and they are now becoming a more humble and process driven team. Regaining Morata, promoting Asensio they will likely sell Bale soon, and phase out Ronaldo. The galactico era is almost over for them, Poch would be a wonderful choice if ZZ left.
 
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