MERGED: Rooney signs new contract!

sammsky1 said:
The cnut is going to turn this into a public dirty laundry show. Sure, on his day he is one hack of a great footballer but the last weeks have shown him to be a human being of the lowest common denominator. I dont see what he can say that will in anyway rectify his now train wrecked personal reputation.

However, I now know how Spurs fans felt after Berbatov left, Or Arsenal fans after Sol Cambells betrayal.

Shit happens, under SAF we have pretty much experienced every situation and emotion football can offer .... and yet there has only ever been one certainty whilst under SAF ... and that is that we find a way back and carry on with our traditions of winning in the right way. As long as we have SAF for the next 2 or 3 years, I don't care who stays or leaves, he will find a way.

May he remain in the best of health and continue his reign for many more years.
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He has to though, Fergie absolutely destroyed him yesterday.

The fact that his statement is coming hours before the match, and not through United, and through his people means it will not be reconciliatory(not that I want it to be).

His management might add a couple of lines about as others have said, him appreciating everything United and SAF have done for him, but he needs a new challenge now, read: the massive wages City or Madrid can offer.

One because of the lower tax rate(it's still less than 20% in Spain right? or has that loophole been closed?, and the other because they have nothing that remotely resembles a wage structure)
 
Aporkalypse said:
Even as a PLC we would not have been able, nor would we have tried, to match what City could potentially offer.
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No, but if we wern't spending so much on servicing debts, would we have offered him enough to keep him happy at United.

I mean if he's thinking of becoming a national hate figure, starting all again at a new club, we've obviously been blown out of the water. Could we have satisfied him under a PLC or the Red Knights?
 
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Oh he can smile about all of this, can he ?
 
To those of you that still believe that MUST's best friends "The Red Knights" are a group of fans that want ownership of the club to steer it the right way...

Just look at this quote:

Following manager Sir Alex Ferguson's remarks that Rooney wants to leave, one Red Knight has told Sky Sports News HD that the group is "happy to watch and let the price come our way" and news of Rooney's possible departure "simply adds to our belief that the value of Manchester United is less than £1billion."
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These fans are enjoying watching our most prized footballer leave the club because it brings the clubs valuation to a more realistic level.

I'm sorry but these guys have no interest whatsoever in our football team, just getting their grubby hands on our club.

They are no different to the Glazers.

The value of Manchester United is what the owners say it is, simple as that.
 
To be honest, we pay the 3rd highest wages in the PL.

Chelsea are top (but are desperately trying to get the figure down to a sensible level) and City are currently second (only a few million higher than us at last count which is surprising).

The difference is that our wage bill represents 50% of our revenue whilst City's represents something like 102% (yes, MORE) of their revenue.

He might well feel like he's jumping a sinking ship but he'll be jumping into a stinking shit waiting to hit the fan, if you ask me.
 
Twigginater said:
No, but if we wern't spending so much on servicing debts, would we have offered him enough to keep him happy at United.

I mean if he's thinking of becoming a national hate figure, starting all again at a new club, we've obviously been blown out of the water. Could we have satisfied him under a PLC or the Red Knights?
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This has been answered every time you've asked it. No.

The PLC has an obligation to make money for its shareholders.

The Red Knights are a bunch of buffoons who have announced they are "happy to watch" the Rooney saga because it suits their agenda.
 
Twigginater said:
No, but if we wern't spending so much on servicing debts, would we have offered him enough to keep him happy at United.

I mean if he's thinking of becoming a national hate figure, starting all again at a new club, we've obviously been blown out of the water. Could we have satisfied him under a PLC or the Red Knights?
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The Red Knights gave absolute no indication of what they would have done had they been successful. All they talked about is the need to get the Glazers to sell.

No matter how much money a company can pay somebody it doesn't mean they should. There's a certain point where you have to say, 'alright, that's way too much, you're being a bit daft'. City, a company which is sure to be a poor business model, doesn't have that.
 
Pexbo said:
To those of you that still believe that MUST's best friends "The Red Knights" are a group of fans that want ownership of the club to steer it the right way...

Just look at this quote:



These fans are enjoying watching our most prized footballer leave the club because it brings the clubs valuation to a more realistic level.

I'm sorry but these guys have no interest whatsoever in our football team, just getting their grubby hands on our club.

They are no different to the Glazers.

The value of Manchester United is what the owners say it is, simple as that.
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Massive leaps of logic there.

Just because they take advantage of something that happens, doesn't mean they're happy to see it happen.
 
All this talk of Rooney going has gone way over my head and have not really been following it.

If he were to actually to leave how much are we expected to get for him, I've seen figures mentioned from 20m-60m. There's also talk he might go to city, surely if we were to contemplate that we would be looking at a world record fee?
 
Bearded but no genius said:
This has been answered every time you've asked it. No.

The PLC has an obligation to make money for its shareholders.

The Red Knights are a bunch of buffoons who have announced they are "happy to watch" the Rooney saga because it suits their agenda.
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If you think it's as cut and dry as that. Fair play. The last sentence has nothing to do what we're talking about however.
 
Twigginater said:
Massive leaps of logic there.

Just because they take advantage of something that happens, doesn't mean they're happy to see it happen.
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I apologise. When I read that they are "happy to watch and let the price come down". I automatically jumped to the conclusion that they are happy it is happening because they can now watch the price come down.
 
Bearded but no genius said:
They're happy - more turmoil is the name of the game for these beneficent defenders of all that is right and good. It is better for their pocketbooks.

Isn't that grand? True supporters of Manchester United, the great Red Knights.
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You really are a prize one arent you.

Of course the RKs want the price of the club to drop. They see an owner who isnt fit to run the club, and they want him out. They happen to have the funds to do it, but as has been mentioned by Duncan Drasdo numerous times, there are reasons why they will not pay over the odds for the club.

1) The price they pay dictates what they would charge supporters to go in. What benefit would it be to the supporters if the price was so high that they needed to increase the entry prices to United.

2) They have to have working capital, and every penny they pay the Glazers reduces the funds available to spend on players.

3) If they pay over the odds, then that reduces the amount that MUST would get as a part share ( should MUST decide to invest ).

4) Most importantly, they do not feel compelled to reward Glazer for what hes done. Why should he walk out with a fat paycheck for effectively imposing all that debt on the club. They would rather see him go back to Tampa having made little or nothing out of all of this.

The last consideration on their minds would be how much personally they stand to gain from owning the club. They are not doing it for personal riches they are doing it because they happen to support United and feel that their money could put United back on track again.

Some of those RKs are very wealthy, well connected people. If they wanted to raise the funds via loans to buy the club then they could do it. THe reason they dont and wont is they will not impose the levels of debt onto United that the Glazers have done.

So quit with you pathetic little one man anti MUST campaign. Its no more welcome at this moment in time than those suggesting the Glazers are to blame for Rooney being a fat little cnut with a greed problem.
 
Pexbo said:
To those of you that still believe that MUST's best friends "The Red Knights" are a group of fans that want ownership of the club to steer it the right way...

Just look at this quote:



These fans are enjoying watching our most prized footballer leave the club because it brings the clubs valuation to a more realistic level.

I'm sorry but these guys have no interest whatsoever in our football team, just getting their grubby hands on our club.

They are no different to the Glazers.

The value of Manchester United is what the owners say it is, simple as that.
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Exactly.

They use MUST as their propaganda arm to appeal to the fans and pretend they are some grand group of benefactors - using up the last bits of goodwill that MUST had from the time when it was independent and cared about supporters and fooling fans into thinking they're something they aren't - but they're just another bunch of dirtballs, their bumboys at MUST, too.
 
Crap this talk about the Glazers

When's the Rooney statement coming up? We have a CL game in less than 4 hours and all my mind now is thinking of what that scouse gimp have to say.
 
Pexbo said:
I apologise. When I read that they are "happy to watch and let the price come down". I automatically jumped to the conclusion that they are happy it is happening because they can now watch the price come down.
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They are happy to watch the price come down. They are happy about that. They don't have to be happy the way it is happening though.

If a restaurant suddenly made steaks 10p each because they'd fired all human workers and replaced them with cheap robot workers, I wouldn't be happy about how it happened, but I'd damn sure buy some steaks.
 
fredthered said:
So quit with you pathetic little one man anti MUST campaign. Its no more welcome at this moment in time than those suggesting the Glazers are to blame for Rooney being a fat little cnut with a greed problem.
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Wouldn't that be, ummmmm, MUST who are suggesting that?

There's another thread for this, though...
 
Fitzjames said:
We need to make a distinction here between the Glazers (business side) which is bad..........and the "club" (if I can still use that word) which is good.

The Glazers are in the business of being rich.
Manchester United is a business. As is McDonalds
But the business IS Football not burgers.
If McDonalds dont have good food at good prices..the business fails.

Likewise United "sell football". It needs to be good. Yes there isan uncomfortable feeling which I share that the "Board" is happy enough to have a team capable of coming third or fourth in the Premiership as thats "good enough" to get a longish run in the Champions League. Spending a lot of money to maybe actually win the Premiership is not in their thinking (its a simple risk assessment in their view).

But the Press Conference yesterday was not directly about "business" side of football. This was the raw emotion of a "club".......of manager/staff, players and fans......this was old school.
Everything Fergie said was true.....and as true now in 2010 as it was in 1958. Deep down its about the shirt, its about honour, its about dignity and its about raw emotion.
70 odd pages ofthis thread.........will he go?......will he stay?......its actually beyond that.
Fergie said the door was open but was effectively slamming it in Rooneys/Stretfords face.
Fergie doesnt want him at Old Trafford. Hed rather have whatever cash he gets for him.
And lets be honest.....so would we.
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as always, on the money. Love reading your posts.
 
For the record, I am happier seeing the Red Knights happy if the Glazers' business model is failing of its own accord than orchestrating a campaign to artificially ensure that it does fail.

However (and I am going into hyper-speculative mode here) if Rooney has been in anyway influenced by the reports of doom & gloom coming from some quarters... who is to blame for that?
 
Twigginater said:
They are happy to watch the price come down. They are happy about that. They don't have to be happy the way it is happening though.
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You really believe they are all United fans that want to invest hundreds of millions of their own money to take the club "back to the fans" and expect to get nothing from their investment?

That's right, ticket prices will drop, they'll spend loads on players and all will be perfect.

No, it becomes a Private Limited Company and all the owners then keep all the books closed to the public as they have no legal obligation to tell us anything and they all profit hugely from the foundations the Glazers have put in place over the last 5 years.
 
Pexbo said:
You really believe they are all United fans that want to invest hundreds of millions of their own money to take the club "back to the fans" and expect to get nothing from their investment?

That's right, ticket prices will drop, they'll spend loads on players and all will be perfect.

No, it becomes a Private Limited Company and all the owners then keep all the books closed to the public as they have no legal obligation to tell us anything and they all profit hugely from the foundations the Glazers have put in place over the last 5 years.
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Yeah it maybe, the Red Knights might not be the answer.
 
Found this post on another site. As much as I love SAF, I can also fully understand this is how an objective neutral would view the situation.


Forget about the transfer values, forget about the politics, it works like this: Rooney's not really a professional, he is a big kid who coincidentally has massive earning power; he'll only play brilliantly when his heart is in it; his heart hasn't been in it since the grownups he trusts (family, agent, but nobody from MUFC) told him (before the World Cup) he had to leave MUFC to maximise his earnings. He'll go to where the most money is because that's what the grownups he trusts are telling him to do. When he gets there he'll start enjoying his football and rediscover his form again. The Glazers will get the blame.

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. SAF and MUFC built their success by financial bullying: using their monetary clout to unsettle and acquire players they wanted, without any respect at all for other clubs or their supporters. Now they are being outmuscled on their own turf by newly emergent financial bullies with greater monetary clout. So SAF screams 'foul' and talks about 'respect'. Bullies are always the ones who squeal loudest when bullied. So it goes...
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Pexbo said:
You really believe they are all United fans that want to invest hundreds of millions of their own money to take the club "back to the fans" and expect to get nothing from their investment?

That's right, ticket prices will drop, they'll spend loads on players and all will be perfect.

No, it becomes a Private Limited Company and all the owners then keep all the books closed to the public as they have no legal obligation to tell us anything and they all profit hugely from the foundations the Glazers have put in place over the last 5 years.
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Erm, arent you forgetting one minor detail.

MUST are duty bound to report to its members EVERYTHING that they do.

Given MUST will have seats on the board, and will know EXACTLY what is going on, then MUST will be relaying that back to the members.

Every penny that the club makes, spends or saves will become open to the general public. Far more so in fact than under the Glazers.
 
fredthered said:
Erm, arent you forgetting one minor detail.

MUST are duty bound to report to its members EVERYTHING that they do.

Given MUST will have seats on the board, and will know EXACTLY what is going on, then MUST will be relaying that back to the members.

Every penny that the club makes, spends or saves will become open to the general public. Far more so in fact than under the Glazers.
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Take it to the other thread.
 
Twigginater said:
If you're making it up, you're a prick. I felt happy about football then for the first time in days, why would you take joy in raising other supporters hopes?
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Manchester United’s wantaway England striker Wayne Rooney is expected to make an announcement regarding his future at 16h00 UK time today.

Goal.com reports that Rooney, 24, is set to give his side of the story regarding talk that he wants out of Old Trafford and also his preferred future club.

Man United manager Sir Alex Ferguson yesterday revealed that Rooney had told him during the summer that he was no longer happy at United and wanted out.

The situation was not helped by Rooney’s loss of form coupled with a persistent ankle injury.

Later revelations about his personal life only added further turmoil to his season thus far.

He has only scored once for United this season, converting a penalty against relegation fodder West Ham.

Moneybags Manchester City and Real Madrid are expected to be the lead dogs in the chase to sign Rooney should he get his wish and exit Old Trafford.

Rooney Statement Expected By This Evening : NewsTime : Sport

Watch this space. Or the space below it..
 
fredthered said:
You were the one who brought it in here you muppet.

DOnt start a topic then say "it doesn't belong here"
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Others brought it in, in the context of Rooney.

If it veers too far, which a discussion of the long term board constituency of a future takeover is, then it is now too far off the topic for the thread.
 
Rahul said:
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Oh he can smile about all of this, can he ?
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Rahul said:
Nope its todays picture. Well as the Daily Mail is reporting it.
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Can't post links but it reads -

Wayne Rooney arrived at hospital today for a scan on his left ankle which was injured in training yesterday.
The want-away star will miss tonight's Champions League clash against Bursaspor. He refused to talk about the injury which was caused by a Paul Scholes tackle at Manchester United's Carrington training ground.
His foot was encased in a protective boot when he turned up at Manchester's Bridgewater hospital this morning.

Read more: Alex Ferguson dismayed Wayne Rooney wants to leave Manchester United | Mail Online
 
Rahul said:
Manchester United’s wantaway England striker Wayne Rooney is expected to make an announcement regarding his future at 16h00 UK time today.

Goal.com reports that Rooney, 24, is set to give his side of the story regarding talk that he wants out of Old Trafford and also his preferred future club.

Man United manager Sir Alex Ferguson yesterday revealed that Rooney had told him during the summer that he was no longer happy at United and wanted out.

The situation was not helped by Rooney’s loss of form coupled with a persistent ankle injury.

Later revelations about his personal life only added further turmoil to his season thus far.

He has only scored once for United this season, converting a penalty against relegation fodder West Ham.

Moneybags Manchester City and Real Madrid are expected to be the lead dogs in the chase to sign Rooney should he get his wish and exit Old Trafford.

Rooney Statement Expected By This Evening : NewsTime : Sport

Watch this space. Or the space below it..
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Good source goal.com arent they :lol:

Although im sure this will be the first time they are right.
 
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