you think? because i never said soFunny how clueless they've become in the last 2 years, isn't it?
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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You don't seriously think I was comparing Messi to Chicharito, do you?
as seriously as i think that messi would be benched in mexicoYou don't seriously think I was comparing Messi to Chicharito, do you?
this thread 
I think some of them are finally seeing some sense, but the whole thing is still biased towards Messi, everyone knows who Blatter prefers...
Aren't you glad that a man who knows football as well as Blatter agree with you.
Messi was dropped in the 2006 WC as Argentina crashed out... but now his reputation alone will ensure he's the first name on any team sheet, even if he's injured.
If Messi had won it in 2014 people would have probably said he didn't produce his best when it mattered, even though Ronaldo played like shit at the World Cup, in the Champions League final and in the final league game against Barcelona, but he did win the Ballon D'or the previous year too won it the year before too ending his season being sent off in the Copa Del Rey final as they lost to their city rivals on their own turf.
ps I don't begrudge him his Ballon D'or wins either, but we all know the sort of shit that would have been spouted if he hadn't won those.
i really, really have no clue on what you are saying
i never said that the voters were wrong
Messi had only just returned from a lengthy injury. I'm sure you knew that and hoped other people weren't aware of that.
he was 18 years old, and still many people think that keeping him on the bench against germany was pekermar worst ever decision
Except for the fact that he was fit enough to feature in the 3 games before the QF...
Perhaps, don't know if it was the right call or not, but your manager at the time made that call.
that doesnt change the fact that he was 18
So that means he in good condition for the QF? He was a young boy coming back from a bad injury.
So maradona was better than rvn, right?
Messi was also a teenager at the time. He was nowhere near his current level back then, a bit of a daft criticism to make.
Once again it's Cal vs everyone else.
Keep fighting Cal, you're convincing no one.
BTW... What are these things that Ronaldo can do, or could do in the Barcelona side that Messi cannot? Shoot more at tight angles? Keep perfect hair?
Keep fighting Cal, you're convincing no one.
BTW... What are these things that Ronaldo can do, or could do in the Barcelona side that Messi cannot? Shoot more at tight angles? Keep perfect hair?
to be fair he'd convert more penalties.
To be fair, there are plenty who believe Ronaldo > Messi (including me), but just can't be bothered to argue about it forever on forums. I believe that too.
I just don't get how you guys can argue this forever. The same points, over and over again. As with most of the greats, different people will think different things. Nobody is going to change anybody's opinions. Only the players can do that.
And with that rant, I'm out!
Thread should be renamed Messi > Ronaldo.
I'll start a new one called Ronaldo >> Messi.
Do you mind explaining why you believe Ronaldo is a superior player to Messi?
I am yet to hear a logical, factual reason as to why this would be the case.
Well what I see as logical/factual, you might not. The reasons have all been done here over a 100 times. For me, I'd take a player like Ronaldo over a player like Messi everytime. I'd take a Ronaldinho over both of them.
I'd be happy to take it to PM, but every post here is attacked and I can't be bothered arguing with people who think Messi/Ronaldo is the best ever and nothing will ever ever change that.
To each his own, really.
Only thing Ronnie has on Messi is his haircut, power and speed. Messi stomps him in every other aspect of Football.
What are these facts?
I don't think the reasons have been done as I don't remember one single convincing argument as to why CR7 is the superior player, and truthfully I'd really like to read one well thought out opinion on the matter.
As for attacking opinions - the only person I would attack is Cal, and that's because he's Cal.
take them where? to meet your parents?
I think you'd take Messi to meet your parents and Ronaldo for a night out on the town.
Shooting as well. What do you leave out anyway? Only thing Messi is better at is dribbling and being an annoying person.
Messi is better at finishing/shooting. He's better at dribbling, he has more tricks. He has a lower centre of gravity and therefore better balance. He's better at passing, he has superior vision and marrying them together means he is a much better play-maker. He works harder. He's more effective from deep. He can dictate play. He tackles more. He's better in big games.
Ronaldo has a more powerful shot. He has a superior physique, and with it pace and power. Both are good heading finishers, though Ronaldo's athleticism means he's a more dangerous header. Ronaldo is better penalties.
Your last point is subjective but I agree since I like Ronaldo's king d*ck personality, it suits a player of his ability. Messi has a spoilt child vibe to him in my opinion.
They both have similar amount of goals, but Ronaldo have more shot per game. This season Ronaldo have 2 goals outside of box, compared to 4 from Messi. Messi is much more efficient and accurate shooter. Ronaldo just strikes the ball fiercely.
I agree with all of your points except the part where you mix finishing with shooting. Ronaldo is a much better long distance shooter and even close range I'm not sure who I'd choose. Okay maybe I'm biased and Messi is slightly better from close range (maybe even more) but I'd chose Ronnie from distance.
I definitely don't agree with "works harder" though. I'm personally a Ronaldo fan but you have to say Messi is just born with his supernatural abilities while Ronaldo has had to work his ass off to achieve it. Also don't agree with "better in big games".
As for dictating play, I can't say Ronaldo "dictates" play since he doesn't have the play making ability of Messi but he can always be that one wild player who drives the whole team forward. It has something to do with the passion he shows on the pitch.
And yes. You've got to love someone who is cocky on the football pitch and can back it up. But there is quite a few things Messi is better at like you've pointed out... I couldn't think of many before since most of the things Messi is better at aren't things I enjoy watching as a fan as much.
I'd still choose Ronaldo if one was to take a shot outside the box.
No doubt that Ronaldo has worked extremely hard to get where he is, that's what I admire most about him. I remember reading a very old article about him (back when there were a lot of Rooney > Ronaldo threads on here) where someone (can't remember who) was saying no one trains harder than Ronaldo, and stated he's out there after everyone else still practising.
At the time I thought of him as a show-boater but took him much more seriously after that, and even waded into the discussions re: Rooney v Ronaldo, fighting Ronaldo's corner in the debates.
I don't know for sure but I too have the image that Messi just turns up and does what he does - though I don't know this for a fact and am just speculating.
What I meant by that though was he works harder on the pitch - at least he does these days. Someone posted some stats from both players this season, including heat maps and Ronaldo had made literally one tackle compared to Messi's numerous tackles (40 odd if memory serves). He also only stayed almost exclusively in and around the box compared to Messi who was running all over the place.
As for shooting/finishing, if you marry them together you get a picture of their scoring prowess. I agree that Ronaldo has a more powerful shot (have said as much). Though Messi, from what I have witnessed, is better at picking corners or curling shots in as opposed to Ronaldo who can blast it past keepers. Both have great shooting techniques.
Finishing/shooting?
How many times do we have to go through the same point, only taking on shots closer to goal will result in a better conversion rate, and that's no indication of better finishing at all.Dribbling? Agreed
More tricks? Just another way of repeating the previous point?
Better balance? Yet another?
Better passing? That has more to do with Barca's tiki taka compared to Madrid's direct style.
Better play-maker? Probably, but Ronaldo doesn't get a free reign to do whatever he likes that Messi does at Barca.
Works harder? No, no definitely not.
Tackles more? Again, you'd have to ask the managers about that, I somehow doubt that Ancelotti asks Ronaldo to track back and tackle and he's just too lazy to do it.
Better in big games? Doesn't Ronaldo hold to current record for scoring in consecutive El Clasicos?
Messi seemingly takes less shots and scores just as many goals if not more, he is a better finisher, Ronaldo has more power, as I mentioned. What did I leave out? Passing, teamwork, vision, playmaking, the defensive side of football, first touch, ball control, versatility (he has played in a number of positions and excelled at all, from right winger to CF to CAM). He is just a more complete player, more talented and this season is once again proving that at his best he is unmatchable.
Here's a thought, how close to Ronaldo would Messi be without his use of PEDs?
CR7 has done it in the Prem, won everything, at a time when arsenal were invincible and Chelsea were record breakers.
Which shows just how good Messi is.
Which shows just how good Messi is.
Finishing/shooting?
Dribbling? Agreed
More tricks? Just another way of repeating the previous point?
Better balance? Yet another?
Better passing? That has more to do with Barca's tiki taka compared to Madrid's direct style.
Better play-maker? Probably, but Ronaldo doesn't get a free reign to do whatever he likes that Messi does at Barca.
Works harder? No, no definitely not.
Tackles more? Again, you'd have to ask the managers about that, I somehow doubt that Ancelotti asks Ronaldo to track back and tackle and he's just too lazy to do it.
Better in big games? Doesn't Ronaldo hold to current record for scoring in consecutive El Clasicos?
How exactly is Messi's superior passing ability due to Barca's style? Ronaldo has never shown a glimpse of that sort of ability no matter what team he has played in. Laughable point.
As for Ronaldo not been given 'free reign' at Madrid, that's another excuse. Ronaldo isn't given Messi's role because he couldn't play it, simple as that.
Madrid and previously United's style of play has never required Ronaldo to play those passes, he's supposed to be the one to get to the end of those passes.
Ronaldo isn't given Messi's role because Madrid play a completely different style to Barca.
This is a one sided battle, it is like India v Pakistan.. gets hyped up but in truth the reality is that one individual/team is comfortably better than the other. Messi at his best is just comfortably the better footballer.
You can nit pick all you like about various attributes and how Ronaldo is the more complete footballer, but anyone with half a football brain can see that Messi just operates at that higher level of class when he is on form. He simply has more finesse, better understanding of the game and is the only player from this generation who can hold a candle to the greats of the past.
You can nit pick all you like about various attributes and how Ronaldo is the more complete footballer, but anyone with half a football brain can see that Messi just operates at that higher level of class when he is on form. He simply has more finesse, better understanding of the game and is the only player from this generation who can hold a candle to the greats of the past.
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