Mesut Özil

Still ill said:
That's nonsense, Rob. He's just a particular type. Easy for you, watching what Jose is getting out of Hazard every week. Wasn't always like that. Time was, if he wasn't creating for you, he was a waste of a jersey.

Maybe not an actual liability, as Ozil was tonight, though.
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Hazard was never as poor as Ozil is, even when he wasnt as good as he is now. He offers nothing.
 
kouroux said:
I'm not saying he was right to be lazy, it just wouldn't have mattered in the end IMO. He's never been the energetic player Arsenal needs him to be.
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Some of his defending in the second half was really not good enough when he moved to the left after Cazorla was subbed for Fabianksi. He just let Rafinha run off him free and did not track him. It was a problem for Arsenal when Lahm and Gotze/Robben were on the side with Cazorla and Gibbs but was even worse with Ozil and Monreal. With 10 men, he had to accept that he was going to struggle to get the ball and work harder. Either that, or Wenger should have made a different sub than Rosicky for Oxlade Chamberlain to give Monreal some better help down that side. It was plain as day that Bayern were going to get constant joy down that side of the pitch all game.
 
His bottom level is surprisingly low.

The best players, in my mind, tend to have very consistent bottom levels. I always think of Scholes when it comes to this. It isn't very often the likes of Mata, Silva or even Cazorla look as shoddy as Ozil did tonight.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Some of his defending in the second half was really not good enough when he moved to the left after Cazorla was subbed for Fabianksi. He just let Rafinha run off him free and did not track him. It was a problem for Arsenal when Lahm and Gotze/Robben were on the side with Cazorla and Gibbs but was even worse with Ozil and Monreal. With 10 men, he had to accept that he was going to struggle to get the ball and work harder. Either that, or Wenger should have made a different sub than Rosicky for Oxlade Chamberlain to give Monreal some better help down that side. It was plain as day that Bayern were going to get constant joy down that side of the pitch all game.
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Wenger made a mistake in keeping him. With 10 players, you need warriors first and foremost.
 
Reminds me of my teammate, i.e good in training and against mediocre sides but absolutely bricking it whenever we face a good side. Almost like a different person whatsoever.
Ozil's mental strength is demolished each time he faces a top class team. The guy has virtually no guts. After missing the penalty (which was obvious he will) he couldn't complete simple passes. It's not like we didn't know that big weakness of his and that's why as ridiculous as it sounded, many voiced their qualms about the price tag. Defensively, he is the easiest player to go past and when you play teams like Bayern you need at least a small sample of defensive work. Forget the defensive part, he couldn't create shit after bottling the peno and wasn't creativity what always saved him from those ridiculing his defensive work?

Another big game, another failure. Go figure.
 
Still ill said:
That's nonsense, Rob. He's just a particular type. Easy for you, watching what Jose is getting out of Hazard every week. Wasn't always like that. Time was, if he wasn't creating for you, he was a waste of a jersey.

Maybe not an actual liability, as Ozil was tonight, though.
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Hazard would have performed under any manager. He is just getting suited to the EPL and will get even better than he is now. I agree that Rob's comment is over the top, he is not a waste of a player, he is a great player, but there is something about his mentality that make him a poor player every time he is against a good team. He should be benched against the best teams and given a ultimatium, either you play your heart out against the best teams, or you stay on the bench. Somethings has to be done, he is wasting his talent.
 
I'm glad we didn't get him. There's no heart or fight in him and his confidence drops after any setback early in a game.

Proper luxury player and we won't be needing one of those for some time.
 
Doesn't really grab games by the scruff of the neck and has struggled with his fitness over 90 minutes.

He looks brilliant and can dictate games when the team is playing well; as Arsenel were earlier in the season. Looks a-bit of a luxury player when the team is struggling.
 
NoLogo said:
The guy seems tired. Mourinho always subbed him off at around the 60 minute mark maybe he just doesn't have the stamina to go 90 minutes in every game each season.
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Spent all his energy chasing Aida Yespica (or some Latin woman) supposedly
 
Obviously not a woeful player. He is top class, he just has some very clear flaws that need to be worked around if you have him in your team.

Look at the reaction from the Madrid players and fans when he left in the summer. Did that suggest he was a poor player? Difference is Madrid had a more balanced team for him to work in, one that made the most of his strengths while covering his weaknesses.
 
Is Rooney world class? Cos if he isn't, neither is Ozil.

For what it's worth, I'd take Rooney over Ozil everyday, twat and all.
 
We've always known Ozil doesn't defend much. In a game like today, down to 10 men and having to work for your teammates, who on here could honestly say they'd expect Ozil to put a shift in? I certainly didn't. He offered what I thought he'd offer, which was feck all.

Wenger has to take a lot of the blame here because he should've hooked him for someone who gives a shit. I wouldn't be surprised if Ozil's teammates feel let down by him tonight, and Wenger could've prevented that at least by taking him out of a game he clearly wasn't suited to.

Tonight's performance hasn't changed my opinion of Ozil. He's an incredible player on his day and I'm a big fan.
 
whether or not he can be top class is besides the point, right now at Arsenal he looks terrible, he cant seem to even do the basics, and isnt a good team player. How many times this season have we seen Arsenal players screaming at him? That isnt good for the team.
 
I think the penalty miss completely shattered his confidence. In hindsight Wenger should have taken him out for Fabianski.
 
Snipers Breath said:
Did he really do that bad, he covered the third most km out of everyone on the pitch.
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Snipers Breath said:
Nice overreaction on here.
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Snipers Breath said:
He does the basics attacking wise.
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Did you watch the match today mate? He was appalling. I'd be well within my rights to have a go at him if he was my team mate today and I'd be worried if I was an Arsenal fan. And the thing is this isn't even a one off. It's gotten to the stage where he's had more bad games than good.

The overreaction was actually when Ozil first came. He was hyped up to the sky and while this isn't the true Ozil we're seeing now, he does seem to blow hot and cold, more so at Arsenal than he did at Madrid, perhaps due to playing better quality opposition week in, week out and more amount of big games.
 
Señor said:
Did you watch the match today mate? He was appalling. I'd be well within my rights to have a go at him if he was my team mate today and I'd be worried if I was an Arsenal fan. And the thing is this isn't even a one off. It's gotten to the stage where he's had more bad games than good.

The overreaction was actually when Ozil first came. He was hyped up to the sky and while this isn't the true Ozil we're seeing now, he does seem to blow hot and cold, more so at Arsenal than he did at Madrid, perhaps due to playing better quality opposition week in, week out and more amount of big games.
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He was in a team with ten men, what exactly did you expect, for him to drag Arsenal into the game himself?

And the point about him having more bad games than good is nonsense.
 
What makes me laugh is Arsenal fans who deride Willian, a hardworking team player, who right now is playing much better than Ozil, and claim hes far inferior.

Its irrelevant what his top level is if hes playing poorly for long periods of time, I hate lazy players like that.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
What makes me laugh is Arsenal fans who deride Willian, a hardworking team player, who right now is playing much better than Ozil, and claim hes far inferior.

Its irrelevant what his top level is if hes playing poorly for long periods of time, I hate lazy players like that.
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He is.
 
I don't think he's very happy at Arsenal.

I have very little, nay nothing to actually base that on, but he doesn't look it to me. I don't think he was particularly happy to leave Madrid, they sort of pushed him out to make way/money for Bale. Then he was apparently offered around a few places with no takers, and now he's ended up as an expected semi-saviour at Arsenal, but being overplayed, over analysed and bollocked for sulking off after losses.

I mean, he's obviously not too down 'cos at least Arsenal are actually competing this year, but for some reason I don't get the impression his heart's really in it.

Again, going off absolutely nothing. Basically I'm bullshitting. But with a gut feeling. I'm not writing that off though. It's how alcoholic detectives got leads in 70s TV.
 
Classic overreaction on here to a bad performance by Ozil, guy has been here 6 months and already written off by the experts here....
 
Özil had a bad spell of games for Madrid as well in his second season I think. The Spanish press tore him a new one and his confidence was totally shattered. Mourinho took him out of the team for a few games and he came back with improved performances. Maybe that's the way to go for Arsenal as well, keep him out of the squad for a few games, give him a good rest and then bring him back into the team.
 
Snipers Breath said:
He was in a team with ten men, what exactly did you expect, for him to drag Arsenal into the game himself?

And the point about him having more bad games than good is nonsense.
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Oh ffs I've heard this excuse a million times. This lay off Ozil, he's a part of a team excuse is torn to shreds when you come to terms with the fact that he, along with Cazorla, were the worst players on the pitch. Luckily for Cazorla, he was only on for 40mins so it didn't seem as bad.
 
alastair said:
I'm not quite sure you can claim that three-yellow card Gerrard(it rhymes for a reason) outshone him today.

He's so classy on the ball, and amazingly, when given the opportunity to thread some through balls, he's exceptional at it. A real piece de resistance of a player.
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This has to be the most stereotypically Arsenal fan post anyone has ever posted on any football forum.
 
JazzG said:
Classic overreaction on here to a bad performance by Ozil, guy has been here 6 months and already written off by the experts here....
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In all fairness, some of you lot were writing Mata off, saying he's not as good as people make him out to be, just as we signed him.

And Ozil has given people plenty of ammo to throw at him lately....And this is the first time all year I've said a bad word about him
 
He's a brilliant talent no doubt, but ten men against Bayern is not the situation he's suited to. This isn't the first time he's disappeared when the going gets tough.
 
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