Part of that, well a huge part of that lies with the board and their appointment and hasty sacking of Moyes. They returned to the bad old days of the 70s with poor appointments,signings and sackings.
It needed the foresight of Edwards to appoint Fergie knowing there was a long term plan. I don't know if we have anyone who's capable of making that decision now
Harsh on Young, Smalling and Herrera. Those are three players that at least seem to get what it means to play for United and do commit and put in the effort. They're not amazing players but they're good enough to be a part of the squad. Average players who actually give a shit are worth more than good players that don't
In other words the appointment should never have happened. A manager who'd never beaten any of the big clubsaway, did nothing in Europe and bar one FA Cup final never looked like threatening the top flight. Now, whose fault was that? However sacking him also meant we went down the route of quick fix management:LVG,JM and you wonder what delights they have planned for us nextHasty? It was about 4 months too late.
Happened to Moyes and LVG as well
It was the players who got rid of him at Chelsea but they're a plastic club run by an oligarch who is actually in charge.Sooner this guy fecks off the better. Honestly, all this cryptic bollocks on the press hinting at x player here or there so fans turn on them. feck right off.
Fellaini.Which players exactly cared on Saturday? No rhetorical question. Let's actually name them
Fellaini, Shaw and Rashford when he came on.Which players exactly cared on Saturday? No rhetorical question. Let's actually name them
In other words the appointment should never have happened. A manager who'd never beaten any of the big clubsaway, did nothing in Europe and bar one FA Cup final never looked like threatening the top flight. Now, whose fault was that? However sacking him also meant we went down the route of quick fix management:LVG,JM and you wonder what delights they have planned for us next
Well, it’s quite disheartening to read pal.
This seems to be the environment that José is after creating. We have players (Pogba & Martial most likely) disillusioned with the management and demotivated. I fully agree that when a player crosses the white line, he should be giving 110 % for the club, the fans and his teammates though. I’d probably have to peg it down to human nature to try and understand why certain players aren’t putting in maximum effort.
It’s not a great quote to be stemming from a press conference 24 hours before a crucial Champions League match. I wonder who he’s talking about! I think Martial and Pogba due to the history and Matič came out today seeming to endorse what José is saying. Mourinho also was somewhat complimentary of Luke Shaw today & McTominany last weekend. Young & Fellaini seems to be two of his generals and one thing you can’t fault Lukaku on is his work rate & desire to win.
So, who else is there from West Ham? Smalling? Lindelöf maybe.
He big lump must pray each day he's at a club like Utd. Course he'll try. But his effort is so limited, it's hard to criticiseFellaini.
So what's the solution? Ship out half the squad, probably for peanuts, and spend another few hundred million replacing them (or promote more young players)?
If the problem is the attitude of a number of players, a new manager may or may not solve that problem. Perhaps the right man management would do the trick (Fergie's greatest strength) but if certain players don't have the self-motivation and hunger to truly succeed at the highest level, they shouldn't be at the club.
There is no quick fix here I'm afraid.
Not really, players are selfish, they care about their careers just like every people on here. Why should they waste the best years of their career because the manager is a moron and has no clue how to utilize their talents?I hear what you are saying, but an often used phrase is that the club is bigger then everybody. From that perspective, shouldnt any player commit to the best of his ability whenever he steps on the pitch?
I think wasting a full season on Moyes was criminal, and the amount of time we gave him set us back longer than just appointing.
There was more than enough quality in that squad to scrape top 4 had we sacked him earlier. The same with Van Gaal in his second season. Both Van Gaal and Mourinho have had to start from shittier positions than necessary, because of our reluctance to change when it's not working. And the next man's going to be in the same position, because we're not going to let Mourinho go until it's too late.
Really?Well we did it after Moyes. And Mourinho himself has signed enough players to completely change the look of the squad. It's actually his own players he can't seem to get a tune out of.
It's an excuse poor managers hide behind.
Currently, yes he's a poor manager and coachReally?
That was before the new contract. Likely he's on closer to 20M nowDoes he care in the first place? Coasting on a 15 million salary while having us in 10th with no semblance of an identity or system..
This is hardly a surprise. When players lose faith in their manager/system they tend to not play with all their heart.
Same applies to the manager that cares more about proving a point than about the result (line up against West Ham being the latest example). Neither is acceptable, obviously.As fans of this great club, how does it feel to know that there is squad exsisting of players who arent equally committed to achieve good results
That was before the new contract. Likely he's on closer to 20M now
So what's the solution? Ship out half the squad, probably for peanuts, and spend another few hundred million replacing them (or promote more young players)?
If the problem is the attitude of a number of players, a new manager may or may not solve that problem. Perhaps the right man management would do the trick (Fergie's greatest strength) but if certain players don't have the self-motivation and hunger to truly succeed at the highest level, they shouldn't be at the club.
There is no quick fix here I'm afraid.
I don't understand why Mourinho still has people on his side though? Can't everyone see him as the manager is actively seeking war with a player. Why doesn't he just drop him and play his team? Or is it because it's too easy making someone else the bad guy whilst the team still performs shit.A direct swipe at Pogba. It looks like he's doing everything he can to be put out of his misery.
A complete joke that hes earning that much, and managed to get himself an extension before Guardiola did at City. Total con man.
So because he's struggling with this set of players at this club, the first club where he hasn't won the top flight domestic league, he becomes a poor manager? Does Grove become a poor boxer because he got knocked out by Smith? Federer a poor player because he got knocked out of the US open by Millman?Currently, yes he's a poor manager and coach
So because he's struggling with this set of players at this club, the first club where he hasn't won the top flight domestic league, he becomes a poor manager? Does Grove become a poor boxer because he got knocked out by Smith? Federer a poor player because he got knocked out of the US open by Millman?
Let's be frank, this hasn't been a good tenure for Jose, but it's credibility and quality as a coach is beyond contestation.
The way things are going we better be careful we not in a relegation fight, because when 19 other teams can beat this lot, it’s a scary situation. Ed Woodward you just look at the man, and he looks more inept on the football side more than ever. Big clubs act fast, it’s why Real Madrid are a multi time European champion, because they won’t allow a narsisit psychopath like mourinho run the asylum
If you weren't doing what your manager asked you to do within the confines of your job, whether you beleive it or not, then you wouldn't have a job.If by care Jose means they aren't giving 100% on the pitch fair enough. But imagine a scenario at work where you don't agree with your boss' leadership style or his methods. Would you be able to give 100% every day?
That's simply not true. Is Jose to blame for whats happening here? Yes. Does that mean the players aren't at fault? No.A lot of people say we have a side with poor quality even though most of our players have proven themselves elsewhere.
