Moyes So Far!

[holyland red]

I thought getting those tough fixtures out of the way before starting our CL campaign would be better. I'd rather we played at Anfield in August than having to play there two days after travelling back from Moscow, Kiev or some other tough away fixture. This tough start leaves us with a fairly comfortable league program throughout the CL group stages.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I thought getting those tough fixtures out of the way before starting our CL campaign would be better. I'd rather we played at Anfield in August than having to play there two days after travelling back from Moscow, Kiev or some other tough away fixture. This tough start leaves us with a fairly comfortable league program throughout the CL group stages.

Totally agree. Nothing to panic about.

 

[arthurka]

Ok Mr.Moyes sign some players! 15. of August and no Ronaldo and no Fabregas that´s not acceptable!

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I thought getting those tough fixtures out of the way before starting our CL campaign would be better. I'd rather we played at Anfield in August than having to play there two days after travelling back from Moscow, Kiev or some other tough away fixture. This tough start leaves us with a fairly comfortable league program throughout the CL group stages.

Excelent point

 

[Rolandofgilead]

My United supporting mate just called Moyes "a lying scumbag"

Funny....But shocking

A United supporting mate?

you need new friends.

 

[lysglimt]

I thought getting those tough fixtures out of the way before starting our CL campaign would be better. I'd rather we played at Anfield in August than having to play there two days after travelling back from Moscow, Kiev or some other tough away fixture. This tough start leaves us with a fairly comfortable league program throughout the CL group stages.

With Ferguson in charge I might have agreed with you - but Moyes need a good start. And if we don't get a result against Swansea we are in big problems if we don't do well against Liverpool and Chelsea in our 2 next games.

If we get a decent start - I would say 8 or 9 Points from our first 5 is decent, then this will be an advantage but we risk being far behind the top with these fixtures

 

[.Rossi]

A United supporting mate?

you need new friends.

You don't know the half of it...

 

[Garethw]

If we can remain within 6 points of the tops after those first 5 games then we'll be fine.

 

[holyland red]

With Ferguson in charge I might have agreed with you - but Moyes need a good start. And if we don't get a result against Swansea we are in big problems if we don't do well against Liverpool and Chelsea in our 2 next games.

If we get a decent start - I would say 8 or 9 Points from our first 5 is decent, then this will be an advantage but we risk being far behind the top with these fixtures

I don't believe we'll be in any "big problems" as early as August no matter what those three results are going to be. If anything it could trigger splashing some extra money before the transfer window shuts...

I'd expect our fans to be reasonable enough to appreciate the tough start, and not put pressure on Moyes if results don't go our way early on. If we get 7-9 points from the first 5 games we'd still be in a healthy position to be near the top come Christmas as long as we do well in the "easier" fixtures. A dodgy start given easy fixtures would have warranted some post-Fergie panic, but as things turned out to be we start with 5 fixtures I wouldn't be confident getting >9 points of regardless of who our manager was.

 

[Name Changed]

This isn't the season I'd fancy us coming back from being way behind. I think we need a decent start. City will be way better than last year, as will Chelsea. I'd take 9 points from the first 5 games now. I don't fancy is doing it at this stage, but things can chance. Swansea away is as hard a start as you could wish for.

 

[buckooo1978]

I'd have preferred it if Moyes hadn't complained about the fixtures

Doesn't really send out the message we want

I'd rather he talked about the tough start but said how he couldn't wait to get stuck in

 

[Lawman]

Been an excellent choice very steady manager he will be here for the long term Jose will be away causing havoc in a couple of years.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Fergie only ever moaned about away games after CL games.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Hinting at he fixture list being unfair is common ground for managers. Suggesting us winning the league easily last seaon as a potential reason is an absurd thing to say.

 

[B20]

New manager at United, hideous fixture list. I think Moyes has probably got a point but it's completely unprovable.

If he has a point it can surely only be that the balls were weighed under ferguson....

 

[B20]

Hinting at he fixture list being unfair is common ground for managers.

It's a bit different to suggest the FA rigged the fixture list....

 

[Sixpence]

You all realise this is the same shit we used to praise Fergie for? He did the "fixture list is fixed" stuff in the past as well. For all we know it may well have been an off the cuff, jokey comment taken out of context and made into a story. A non-story, in fact.

Bang on. This is very Fergie like. Thought it as soon as I heard he'd said it. Nothing wrong with it at all, creating that siege mentality.

 

[kouroux]

A computer decides the fixture list no ? Unless I completely imagined it ... You can always look at it that those tough fixtures out of the way early in the season is good as the real race doesn't even begin in the first 5-6 matches and I see no team in England capable of doing what Bayern did to Dortmund last season (open up a lead early on in the season and never look back after).

 

[The Neviller]

A computer decides the fixture list no ? Unless I completely imagined it ... You can always look at it that those tough fixtures out of the way early in the season is good as the real race doesn't even begin in the first 5-6 matches and I see no team in England capable of doing what Bayern did to Dortmund last season (open up a lead early on in the season and never look back after).

Well, they say a computer decides the fixture list, but as I pointed out earlier, how did a computer decide to have "The Big Four" of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool play each other on the same weekend a couple of times a season, year after year?

 

[NoLogo]

Moyes having a Rafa moment?

 

[The Neviller]

It's a bit different to suggest the FA rigged the fixture list....

Do you honestly think the fixture list is never "fiddled with" for the sake of the viewing TV audience, or to bring extra intrigue? I don't think anyone is out to hamper Moyes, but having the new manager at Manchester United face off against cross city rivals, Mourinho and the old enemy of Liverpool, cross city rivals of his previous club, all within the first few weeks of the season, seems like a nice handy twist of fate, as far as setting a story for the season is concerned.

 

[Revan]

Do you honestly think the fixture list is never "fiddled with" for the sake of the viewing TV audience, or to bring extra intrigue? I don't think anyone is out to hamper Moyes, but having the new manager at Manchester United face off against cross city rivals, Mourinho and the old enemy of Liverpool, cross city rivals of his previous club, all within the first few weeks of the season, seems like a nice handy twist of fate, as far as setting a story for the season is concerned.

I don't think so. It's a tough start but in 2011-2012 we had Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea within five weeks. Almost as difficult as this. I don't believe that there is a conspiracy.

 

[SER19]

another user has accurately pointed out that this is exactly the type of stuff we were delighted to see fergie say. creating a siege mentalitym just standing his ground or deflecting attention from stories we're sick of (eg rooney) whatever the reason we wanted we let fergie do it. but moyes does it and he's suddenly rafa. he's absolutely doomed by some of you, god help him when we drop points.

also, if anyone here thinks the fixtures are not reorganized so you have big games at certain times of season, weekends with north east and anfield derbies together for a super sunday etc etc then get fecking real. there is a 0% chance they are completely random, not to say its a conspiracy but they absoultely did not come out like that.

On topic, Ive been impressed with him so far and am very confident about the season ahead.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I've no doubt the original fixture list is spit out randomly at first but then it has to be manipulated for many different considerations like like availability of police for security, concurrent events, non-league fixtures (i.e. cups) etc.

 

[The Neviller]

I don't think so. It's a tough start but in 2011-2012 we had Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea within five weeks. Almost as difficult as this. I don't believe that there is a conspiracy.

Did I say there was a conspiracy? Read what I said.

Also read what I said regarding the Big Four and Super Sunday, and tell me how that happens randomly.

 

[kouroux]

Well, they say a computer decides the fixture list, but as I pointed out earlier, how did a computer decide to have "The Big Four" of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool play each other on the same weekend a couple of times a season, year after year?

Some special parameters incorporated into the software in order to create "Super Sundays" maybe ? I could totally see that happen.

 

[The Neviller]

I've no doubt the original fixture list is spit out randomly at first but then it has to be manipulated for many different considerations like like availability of police for security, concurrent events, non-league fixtures (i.e. cups) etc.

And Sky.

 

[The Neviller]

Some special parameters incorporated into the software in order to create "Super Sundays" maybe ? I could totally see that happen.

So, fiddled and not entirely random, then?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

So, fiddled and not entirely random, then?

Nothing is entirely random, TN.

 

[kouroux]

So, fiddled and not entirely random, then?

I used to have a computer science at high-school who always told us that there is no such as random for a computer even without using special parameters.
Moyes may have a point but I still think it's better to play these fixtures early when the real title race hasn't started.

 

[The Neviller]

Nothing is entirely random, TN.

So its not beyond the realms of possibility that the fixture list is tweaked and manipulated to help push along a narrative at times, or to fit with a TV agenda.

 

[Revan]

So, fiddled and not entirely random, then?

It's a software (with an algorithm behind it) so it can't be entirely random. I get your point though but I don't believe that those matches (big four) were chosen in purpose to be played in the same weekend.

You didn't mention the conspiracy word but you are saying that you think that the schedules haven't been chosen fair and the schedule lost is 'fiddled with'.

 

[The Neviller]

I used to have a computer science at high-school who always told us that there is no such as random for a computer even without using special parameters.
Moyes may have a point but I still think it's better to play these fixtures early when the real title race hasn't started.

I don't disagree. Get them out of the way. Better at the start than in the run in, I'd say. My point is, it isn't the ridiculous notion from Moyes that many here are suggesting, and I'd bet none of those suggesting this shows Moyes in a bad light or "Rafa-like" would have thought so if Fergie had said it. Which he has done before.

 

[The Neviller]

It's a software (with an algorithm behind it) so it can't be entirely random. I get your point though but I don't believe that those matches (big four) were chosen in purpose to be played in the same weekend.

You didn't mention the conspiracy word but you are saying that you think that the schedules haven't been chosen fair and the schedule lost is 'fiddled with'.

You think every season for about 5 years in a row there were a couple of weekends where four clubs played each other on the same weekend, and this happened without manipulation? Super Sundays just popped up, year on year, and Sky thought "feck me, that's a stroke of luck".

Really?

 

[Revan]

You think every season for about 5 years in a row there were a couple of weekends where four clubs played each other on the same weekend, and this happened without manipulation? Super Sundays just popped up, year on year, and Sky thought "feck me, that's a stroke of luck".

Really?

Does this really happen? I remember that it happened a few times, but did the top 4 played each other for 5 years in a row in a same weekend. If so, yep the chances of that being without manipulation are really low.

 

[kouroux]

You think every season for about 5 years in a row there were a couple of weekends where four clubs played each other on the same weekend, and this happened without manipulation? Super Sundays just popped up, year on year, and Sky thought "feck me, that's a stroke of luck".

Really?

I think without even ordering the computer to make up Super Sundays, the guys in charge of the draws could choose the dates and fixtures themselves and ask for the software to "randomize" the rest.

 

[KM]

Just read he has officially complained to PL over these fixtures?

That sounds ridiculous tbh.

 

[kps88]

Just read he has officially complained to PL over these fixtures?

That sounds ridiculous tbh.

Where did you read that?

 

[Ramshock]

No he fecking didnt make a official complaint he just voiced his concerns. If Fergie had have done it nobody would be crying about it.. Good on Moyesy he needs to start where Fergie left off.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

He complained and got a response from the Premier League.

Not sure what he's trying to do with this. If he's trying to create some sort of "us Vs them" mentality then he's really chosen the wrong time and the execution has been poor. In any case, he come out looking a bit foolish.

EDIT:

A Premier League spokesman said: "David has put those concerns to us. We have absolutely assured him the process is random and above board. He has accepted those assurances."