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Moyes So Far!
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Don't think it's an indicative of Moyes himself. We've had Young and Valencia completely off form. Once Nani and Kagawa come into the team we'll surely be more creative
Pleased so far.
My take on how we've dealt with this tricky opening set of games is in the balance now. If we beat City to make it three wins, a draw and a loss, that will be a pretty decent total from such a horrible set of games. If we lose to City, it'll be a pretty disappointing return. Not sure where a draw puts us.
My take on how we've dealt with this tricky opening set of games is in the balance now. If we beat City to make it three wins, a draw and a loss, that will be a pretty decent total from such a horrible set of games. If we lose to City, it'll be a pretty disappointing return. Not sure where a draw puts us.
Draws fine, you'd take a draw at City at anytime in the season.
you missed the point obviously.
We should have won one of the Chelsea or Liverpool matches. Moyes looked to be happy to take a draw in both.
Which was?
read the posts before climbing on your horse mate. you are normally a good poster. its not about the scores..its about how we are playing.
Nonsense. He tried to win both but his primary concern was not shipping goals. We were the only team trying to play in both games however restricted we were.
The last ten minutes of the Chelsea game showed the true aim.
Yeah I suppose you're right. It's just a matter of fans not forgetting the opponents we're getting these results against.
Compared to the same fixtures last season (substituting Palace for any of last season's promoted sides) we're two points up.
And despite the moaning on here I think we've generally played pretty well (admittedly I wasn't able to watch the Liverpool match). We were the dominant side, to varying degrees, against Swansea, Chelsea and Palace.
you have said it...but not understood ....
Chelsea came to get a point and got it. We did nothing to create any chances.
The Liverpool match was the real crime. The fact we managed to be shittier than them still is mind boggling. They were there to be taken. We went to make sure we did not concede early...and when we did...no plan B.
Against the top teams so far he was too conservative for my liking, like playing for a draw
In the context of only drawing to Chelsea at home and losing at Anfield 2 points from these 3 games would be disappointing though.
He couldn't have known that Mourinho would set Chelsea up to be so defensive - if he hadn't, our line-up was an appropriately balanced one. Anything more attacking and an ambitious Chelsea side would have had too much room to play in. Can't speak to the Liverpool match, I was out of the country and couldn't watch it.
I knew this would happen, to be honest. Funny how quickly people have forgotten how poor we've been over the last couple of years.
Moyes can't control how bad Young and Valencia will be and if Nani and Kagawa aren't ready or are being saved for Europe then what is he to do? He brought Januzaj on with only a 1 goal lead which is something that Fergie wouldn't have done. How's that being conservative?
Moyes can't control how bad Young and Valencia will be and if Nani and Kagawa aren't ready or are being saved for Europe then what is he to do? He brought Januzaj on with only a 1 goal lead which is something that Fergie wouldn't have done. How's that being conservative?
he was not playing for a draw. He was making sure we did not concede. He forgot the second part of the plan...to score to win the match.
Again, that's not really the context that matters. Analysing games by which ones come together in the schedule is a false economy.Better to compare them to last season's fixtures, which puts us two points up.
So even if we lose to City we're only a point down on what we got out of the same games last season.
Agreed, I'm pretty pleased so far. People are just nervous because of the bad run of opening games.
There's been some severe under-estimating of the difficulty of Moyes' job. Of course he's being conservative - how would your nerves be replacing Ferguson with him watching you in the stands?
Play the players you've seen most of. Develop some kind of winning habit, at least at home. Try to get the media hawks off your back and then push on with whatever his plan is.
Maybe Moyes won't get United playing more excitingly than this, but you have to cut him some slack for his first twenty games.
Play the players you've seen most of. Develop some kind of winning habit, at least at home. Try to get the media hawks off your back and then push on with whatever his plan is.
Maybe Moyes won't get United playing more excitingly than this, but you have to cut him some slack for his first twenty games.
We've been poor the last few years?
That's an atrocious comment.
You could say that we aren't the flair side we once were, but we are clearly a very decent side.
That's an atrocious comment.
You could say that we aren't the flair side we once were, but we are clearly a very decent side.
We've been very slow with our passing and movement this season. Not sure if this is Moyes' style or simply the kind of players we have.
But if anything we've been far too concerned about possession than creating. Its a far cry from those that were worried that Moyes would make us a long ball team.
But if anything we've been far too concerned about possession than creating. Its a far cry from those that were worried that Moyes would make us a long ball team.
Whilst I really wanted to see Mourinho in this job, I also have no problems that this job is beyond anything Moyes has experienced so far. What was beautiful about this appointment was that Manchester United was investing in latent talent, much like we do when we sign or give a debut to a young player.
And its obvious that Moyes will make plenty of mistakes, its only by making them, that he realised the scale of the new responsibility. But I think he is showing signs that he is learning from every new opportunity he is faced with. I liked his team selection today, giving debuts to Fallaini and Januzaj as well as some subtle squad rotation. And by whatever methods, he has kept Rooney and nani in the squad. Not a bad start, we have scored some goals and most players have made thier first impressions on him. Not doing too badly so far
He will be our manager for the next 2 years no matter what happens (There is nothing to suggest that we will fall out of the top 4). We all know he is under experienced, what needs needs is time in the role and our support for him to grow into the role. And not his own supporters trying to 2nd guess him and nit pick over every small error. I'd imagine that the board, especially SAF and SBC are happy with the progress so far.
And its obvious that Moyes will make plenty of mistakes, its only by making them, that he realised the scale of the new responsibility. But I think he is showing signs that he is learning from every new opportunity he is faced with. I liked his team selection today, giving debuts to Fallaini and Januzaj as well as some subtle squad rotation. And by whatever methods, he has kept Rooney and nani in the squad. Not a bad start, we have scored some goals and most players have made thier first impressions on him. Not doing too badly so far
He will be our manager for the next 2 years no matter what happens (There is nothing to suggest that we will fall out of the top 4). We all know he is under experienced, what needs needs is time in the role and our support for him to grow into the role. And not his own supporters trying to 2nd guess him and nit pick over every small error. I'd imagine that the board, especially SAF and SBC are happy with the progress so far.
of course we will allow him slack. but we will not allow him to play boring defensive football...not with the players he has at his disposal. Fergie used to say.."The first thing his teams were...was to be solid defensively." But his ultimate goal was to win matches playing the 'United way'.
Moyes should eventually learn that he has to trust Rio/Vidic and DDG. Yes we will concede goals now and then...but we will score an awful lot more.
In his defense I will say Young coming back from injury is slowly getting back to some of his best....He was pretty good today. Even his diving was almost perfect. He was not useless as some would have you believe.
perhaps with Fellani, he can concentrate on going forward instead of just making sure we do not concede.
This 'attacking football' alot of us are hankering after is a mythical thing of the distant past. SAF gave up that free flowing 442 counterattack type of play years ago! I dont see too much difference between what the team plays now vs what SAF served up.
And it does not surprise me at all. Despite a new manager and coaching staff, this side is drilled with a decade of SAF's footballing vision in it. A few months of Moyes wont change that! Im not expecting to see anything very different for at least a season. Maybe next year, after 2 or 3 major new signings come in.
And it does not surprise me at all. Despite a new manager and coaching staff, this side is drilled with a decade of SAF's footballing vision in it. A few months of Moyes wont change that! Im not expecting to see anything very different for at least a season. Maybe next year, after 2 or 3 major new signings come in.
Still too negative for me. He needs to start doing things the United way, not the Everton way. We should have won 5-0 today.
No, last couple of years. Last season we were well below our usual levels for the most part and were lucky that City or Chelsea decided not to turn up either. Do you not remember the whole 'playing like zombies' period or Fergie trying a wingerless system?
Fergie gave up on 442 because there no longer is a Roy Keane who was really two players worth. Also Scholes was getting on. Thus the numerous 'when are we getting a new midfielder' threads. It may look like I am bashing Moyes. I'm not. Just observing... He is tightening up the defence. He has strengthened the midfield. Frankly I think he will give a go once he has the faith in his players. Will agree about the new signings.
We've definitely been relatively poor over the last couple of years, at least compared to the years before that. Not a surprise really as we don't have the same quality we used to, the depth of our squad is our big advantage rather than the strength of our 1st team. If you compare our current 1st team to the one we had when we last won the CL it is kind of obvious why we're not playing as well. It'll be a while before Moyes can change that and get us playing fluid, creative football.
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Just as we should have destroyed Reading at home last season but only managed a thoroughly depressingly shite 1-0 win in one of the worst games ever seen at Old Trafford.
We've been playing like this for quite a long time now. Which is no surprise when you consider that we have zero creativity in CM and we regularly play the likes of Young and Valencia on the wings.
more and more he strikes me as a great manager yet a poor coach.
I like the way he conducts himself but I'm worried about our performances.
I like the way he conducts himself but I'm worried about our performances.
Hard to see exactly what has changed with the team and the club! In some ways I suppose that is a good thing and proof that David Moyes is doing a good job.
He handles the press well and seems to have the respect of our players. He is definitely a good manager and the great thing is you know he will be at the club for the next decade assuming things keep going well. Continuity is so important to our club and the success we've had.
One criticism I have is that he needs to understand we can play a bit more adventurous and less conservative. Maybe its just luck or lack of form that has us not scoring enough goals. But his team selection (especially against the dippers) could be more attack minded. I hope he will start using players like Zaha, Kagawa and Nani more often because these are the guys that will create and score for us.
Maybe once he gets more comfortable and solidifies his position at the club then he will start taking more risks. I suppose its not a bad thing for him to look for the clean sheet in every match at least at the beginning of his tenure at the club. 3 Points always shuts up the critics and keeps the pressure off the manager. I just hope he will learn from Fergie and take the gambles once in a while.
I think its quite obvious that he has at least 2-3 years of immunity for this job so it wouldn't be the end of the world if he tried to improve our tactics. We weren't exactly a flair team last season. Maybe with the addition of Januzaj and Zaha we will be better in this aspect.
He handles the press well and seems to have the respect of our players. He is definitely a good manager and the great thing is you know he will be at the club for the next decade assuming things keep going well. Continuity is so important to our club and the success we've had.
One criticism I have is that he needs to understand we can play a bit more adventurous and less conservative. Maybe its just luck or lack of form that has us not scoring enough goals. But his team selection (especially against the dippers) could be more attack minded. I hope he will start using players like Zaha, Kagawa and Nani more often because these are the guys that will create and score for us.
Maybe once he gets more comfortable and solidifies his position at the club then he will start taking more risks. I suppose its not a bad thing for him to look for the clean sheet in every match at least at the beginning of his tenure at the club. 3 Points always shuts up the critics and keeps the pressure off the manager. I just hope he will learn from Fergie and take the gambles once in a while.
I think its quite obvious that he has at least 2-3 years of immunity for this job so it wouldn't be the end of the world if he tried to improve our tactics. We weren't exactly a flair team last season. Maybe with the addition of Januzaj and Zaha we will be better in this aspect.
I'd be willing to bet that that has had a lot to do with our horrible opening fixtures. If I came in to replace Fergie and had to play Swansea away, Chelsea, Liverpool at Anfield and City all within the first five matches I'd probably play safe too. I'm sure we'll see our attack really open up the throttle once we get past the City game.
Very hard to judge today's performance because Palace were pretty much as negative as you can be in the first 44 minutes. Literally had 0 shots on target, and only chance in an entire half came from a long ball over the top.
Most of the half they were playing a 6-3-1, with both wide midfielders playing as second full backs. And that still left plenty in the middle to fend away crosses.
It's easy to criticise our wide players for creating so little, but it's also rare that teams have that many numbers back defending. Double-teamed at every moment, bus-parking at it's best/worst.
Most of the half they were playing a 6-3-1, with both wide midfielders playing as second full backs. And that still left plenty in the middle to fend away crosses.
It's easy to criticise our wide players for creating so little, but it's also rare that teams have that many numbers back defending. Double-teamed at every moment, bus-parking at it's best/worst.
It's a good thing most of you weren't around when Ferguson was appointed. 
Ha, great point!It's a good thing most of you weren't around when Ferguson was appointed.
Chance creation is alarming.
At the worst of times last season, we'd carve chances out when needed. At the moment we're barely creating half chances which worries me. Rooney's passing within the games he's played has been inconsistent. Carrick's passing through the lines just hasn't been there. Valencia, Young and Giggs have barely put a decent ball in between them. Evra as we know isn't an outstanding crosser of the ball, but he looks the most likely out of everyone to pop in a decent ball, and that worries me.
Retention of the ball and winning it back, we're fine. In fact I have to give credit to the likes of Young and Valencia who really get stuck in, but their job is really to set up as many goals as possible which they aren't doing. Of course none of our wingers the same skill set as a Ronaldo or Bale, but I'd like to think there's some compromise in the wingers and not having two solid wingers from a tactical and shape perspective and perhaps just having the one with a more attack minded player looking for a counter on the other side.
At the worst of times last season, we'd carve chances out when needed. At the moment we're barely creating half chances which worries me. Rooney's passing within the games he's played has been inconsistent. Carrick's passing through the lines just hasn't been there. Valencia, Young and Giggs have barely put a decent ball in between them. Evra as we know isn't an outstanding crosser of the ball, but he looks the most likely out of everyone to pop in a decent ball, and that worries me.
Retention of the ball and winning it back, we're fine. In fact I have to give credit to the likes of Young and Valencia who really get stuck in, but their job is really to set up as many goals as possible which they aren't doing. Of course none of our wingers the same skill set as a Ronaldo or Bale, but I'd like to think there's some compromise in the wingers and not having two solid wingers from a tactical and shape perspective and perhaps just having the one with a more attack minded player looking for a counter on the other side.
bullshit
Coherent and intelligent reply. 1 point to you
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