Moyes So Far!

[Revan]

Terrible thing to say for me (and likely will be crucified for it here) but I really don't think that he could have done anything worse so far. Very negative in all three big matches, plays shit players instead of good ones, and a completely failed transfer market. Not feeling confident at all.

 

[.Rossi]

Scared. Scared to take risks. Playing the big games, City and Liverpool, with an eye on getting a draw not getting a win. Needs to get rid of his mid-table mindset that getting points from these games is a bonus not a must. Needs to stop complaining about it being a tough start. To be the best you gotta beat the best. Nobody wants him to fail but Moyes needs to have the guts to risk failure if we're gonna succeed. 3-0 down at Stamford Bridge 2 seasons ago and the Boss brings on Hernandez, plays 3 strikers and comes away with a 3-3. Does David Moyes make that sub? Does he gamble or does he give up? Based on today he gives up and that worries me. I look forward to the day I can say Moyes is a risk taker.

Also this

 

[Tibs]

Thankfully we have a run of 5-6 games that we should win now.

We need to start games with killer players like Nani who will win you a game, not save you a corner

 

[Sam]

Whats he said after the game? Has he spoken to the press yet?

 

[jem]

Don't blame him, he has been left with useless lumps like Valencia and Young as first teamers. If he is still playing these two next seasons, then questions should be asked. Neither of them good enough for a side that should be aiming to become one of the best in Europe.

Useless lumps whom he had a whole summer to replace, or failing that, to sit on the bench, while giving the likes of Nani, Kagawa or even Zaha a shot.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

It's pretty standard for us. And we've won the league many times with that record in the corresponding fixtures.

That's right - and people seem to forget that these aren't any old fixtures. We've struggled against the scousers for years, it's nothing new. And we've been absolutely horrendous against City before as well. Saying Moyes looks out of his depth and whatnot is - pardon that bloody phrase - knee-jerk. Perhaps he really is out of his depth - but the matches in question are no proof of that. We could have performed exactly like we did tonight with Fergie in charge - in fact we have performed exactly like that with him in charge. Didn't spell the end then - and it doesn't now.

Some of the reactions have been depressingly predictable. I had a look at the match day forum tonight. Bloody hell. I'm never going near there again.

 

[jem]

Whats he said after the game? Has he spoken to the press yet?

Pretty uninspiring stuff. Made a point of praising Rooney's performance, which despite being warranted came off as a bit desperate sounding.

 

[Tibs]

Yes.

Said City were better, we were pretty shit, and that Rooney played very well.

 

[MUFAN79]

Whats he said after the game? Has he spoken to the press yet?

 

[ArmchairCritic]

Not done too much different to SAF so far, been very cautious and understandably so, hopefully he will open up now. A lot of players let him down today but I'm not keen on Rio and Vidic starting 3 games in a week together. Evans should play more, Rafael will be a welcome return too, Nani needs games, Valencia is slowly getting back to his best, Rooney looks good and RVP is RVP. We'll get much better.

 

[Red Devil 26]

This fixture conspiracy nonsense has to stop. It's something you'd expect from silly fans, not the manager himself.

 

[Giggsforever]

His formation for the match was horrible and the players he opted for was not good enough either. No wonder he always looses away to the best teams.

 

[Bestie07]

Useless lumps whom he had a whole summer to replace, or failing that, to sit on the bench, while giving the likes of Nani, Kagawa or even Zaha a shot.

All the sounds coming out of the club seems to suggest that he wishes to assess the squad first before making any decisions on buying/selling players. Agree with your second point though.

 

[Number7]

He needs time obviously but in 3 games, or 270 minutes of football, against Chelsea, City and Liverpool we've scored a free kick. He's got some of the best players in the world at his disposal and he hasn't shown the bollocks to use them.

 

[Giggsforever]

His formation for the match was horrible and the players he opted for was not good enough either. No wonder he always looses away to the best teams.

I actually disagree with the fixture list moaning also. We have already played alot of difficult matches and we will gain points on the other teams going forward. But the advantage with this is that it's always close going in to february and we will have a "easy" finish to the League.

 

[Tibs]

Not done too much different to SAF so far, been very cautious and understandably so, hopefully he will open up now. A lot of players let him down today but I'm not keen on Rio and Vidic starting 3 games in a week together. Evans should play more, Rafael will be a welcome return too, Nani needs games, Valencia is slowly getting back to his best, Rooney looks good and RVP is RVP. We'll get much better.

He had a good second half against Leverkusen. That is it, he is nowhere near his best, and it's nigh time he is benched for 5-6 games on the trot to consider his shit form for the past 18 months and work to sort himself out. He is starting for his defensive abilities which is slightly weird when his job is to attack, create, and score goals.

 

[Sixpence]

Fergie lumbered him with some bang average players in fairness, and Moyes has only had this summer to change it. His team selection with what he has is leaving a lot to be desired though. Hernandez is a goalscorer for crying out loud, Welbeck just isn't.

 

[Ash_G]

Not done too much different to SAF so far, been very cautious and understandably slow, hopefully he will open up now. A lot of players let him down today but I'm not keen on Rio and Vidic starting 3 games in a week together. Evans should play more, Rafael will be a welcome return too, Nani needs games, Valencia is slowly getting back to his best, Rooney looks good and RVP is RVP. We'll get much better.

Yeah no doubt about that, plus agree I thought Rio/Vidic did slighlty get exposed a bit more, hopefully Evans can get back in contention more.

We shouldn't forget that we've been unfortunate that both Nani and Kagawa have started the season unfit and so we've had to use Young and Valencia more, with both largely continuing their average at best form from last season. I think though after having given him the benefit of the doubt Moyes has been a bit overly cautious but hopefully he'll learn from these experiences.

Next run of games are a way to get back on track though and I think Moyes needs to get Nani and Kagawa involved, at least give them a chance to show what they can do and then go from there.

 

[KingEric7]

I'm disappointed that the one thing that I thought would change with Fergie's retirement - odd/negative team selections - has remained. That was really the only positive thing I could think of about Fergie's retirement, but our approach remains the same.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Not done too much different to SAF so far, been very cautious and understandably slow, hopefully he will open up now. A lot of players let him down today but I'm not keen on Rio and Vidic starting 3 games in a week together. Evans should play more, Rafael will be a welcome return too, Nani needs games, Valencia is slowly getting back to his best, Rooney looks good and RVP is RVP. We'll get much better.

Aye, and hopefully he can start getting them now, with an easier fixture list coming up. Not starting him today is perfectly understandable. As is not playing Kagawa. It's perhaps the most difficult away match of the season, you lose RVP right before the match - and you set up for a draw. You go with your defensively strongest wide men. It didn't work. Young was simply very poor and Valencia didn't do a proper job defensively either. But given the options, what do people expect? Go out guns blazing with Nani on the right and Kagawa on the left, as tucked-in wingers, leaving Evra and Smalling even more vulnerable? Two players that have hardly featured so far? It simply isn't realistic.

 

[Treble]

Didn't like the way Everton played and was surprised to learn that he was appointed as United manager. Too early to tell but my understanding is that the other top teams have better managers. Hopefully I'm dead wrong about that.

 

[Slevs]

What did he say in the post match interview?

 

[jem]

All the sounds coming out of the club seems to suggest that he wishes to assess the squad first before making any decisions on buying/selling players. Agree with your second point though.

And it's a moronic sounding statement. I can't imagine the likes of Pelligrini or Mourinho expresses such a desire and using it as a reason not to buy. It comes off as either the club being cheap or the management not doing the proper research (or perhaps a combination of the two.)

 

[Randall Flagg]

Fergie lumbered him with some bang average players in fairness, and Moyes has only had this summer to change it. His team selection with what he has is leaving a lot to be desired though. Hernandez is a goalscorer for crying out loud, Welbeck just isn't.

He left him a squad who won the title with ease. Not many managers come in to such a situation. 90% of the time a new manager comes into a side who is not doing well.

 

[Bestie07]

And it's a moronic sounding statement. I can't imagine the likes of Pelligrini or Mourinho expresses such a desire and using it as a reason not to buy. It comes off as either the club being cheap or the management not doing the proper research (or perhaps a combination of the two.)

I'm okay with that. We could have opted for Pellegrini or Mourinho, and we chose Moyes. Now it's our duty to stand behind his decisions as he finds his way and realizes how awful Young and Valencia are.

 

[Fergie's Man]

This fixture conspiracy nonsense has to stop. It's something you'd expect from silly fans, not the manager himself.

That will be him and SAF, lashing the whisky and concocting the theories. SAF liked a good conspiracy theory himself.

 

[jem]

I'm okay with that. We could have opted for Pellegrini or Mourinho, and we chose Moyes. Now it's our duty to stand behind his decisions as he finds his way and realizes how awful Young and Valencia are.

Yeah I'm not calling for his head or anything. I certainly don't want us to become like Chelsea of the past few years. But he needs to own up to mistakes and go about fixing them. Hopefully we'll see evidence of that with Young never again playing for us.

 

[Sixpence]

He left him a squad who won the title with ease. Not many managers come in to such a situation. 90% of the time a new manager comes into a side who is not doing well.

Last year was not a great PL and we all know that. Besides which you never stand still, you invest while you are at the top or you get left behind. Every other top side in Europe has invested to improve their squads. Guardiola took over the best team in the world, yet he's improved their side further than even last season's history making squad, which was amazing.

 

[Bestie07]

Yeah I'm not calling for his head or anything. I certainly don't want us to become like Chelsea of the past few years. But he needs to own up to mistakes and go about fixing them. Hopefully we'll see evidence of that with Young never again playing for us.

He was the only one taken off today. I guess that says something about what Moyes thought of his performance, or atleast I hope it does.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Last year was not a great PL and we all know that. Besides which you never stand still, you invest while you are at the top or you get left behind. Every other top side in Europe has invested to improve their squads. Guardiola took over the best team in the world, yet he's improved their side further than even last season's history making squad, which was amazing.

Yeah I know i wanted him to invest. I just dont go along with the idea that Moyes was given a shitty squad by Fergie. They are a very good squad but needed 2-3 more players and we failed to do that in the summer.

 

[Number7]

He was the only one taken off today. I guess that says something about what Moyes thought of his performance, or atleast I hope it does.

Why not take hint from his pathetic performance at Anfield though? And how Nani changed it up a bit when he replaced him? I'm not optimistic that Moyes knows just how shit he is.

 

[Will Absolute]

Poor performance. Very disappointed in Fellaini - he looked rather lumbering.

I've thought for a while that we lacked quality in certain areas. The transfer window was our big opportunity to redress that, which, unfortunately, we didn't take. Ozil would have been nice today.

 

[Sam]

I like Moyes, I genuinely want him to succeed and prove all the naysayers wrong.

But am I allowed to admit that I'm slightly worried already?

 

[Sixpence]

I like Moyes, I genuinely want him to succeed and prove all the naysayers wrong.

But am I allowed to admit that I'm slightly worried already?

I would see how we do in the upcoming games and Wednesday's game suddenly became a very big one. 2 losses in a week to City and Liverpool will put big pressure on the manager. It's a long term thing, he's here for years and we need to realise the Ferguson era was the best we will ever get.

 

[Randall Flagg]

I like Moyes, I genuinely want him to succeed and prove all the naysayers wrong.

But am I allowed to admit that I'm slightly worried already?

I have been worried since the day fergie retired. This time has always been a worry.

I would not be surprised if we have a very hard season and we have no idea how patient the Glazers really are.

 

[evra]

As far as I'm concerned he was chosen by SAF so even if the worst case scenario unfolds I'm still going down with the ship. Having said that the starting line-up was very defensive and the fact that we left so many good players on the bench really worries me. Nani and Kagawa should be starting every game; their upside is much higher than Young's and Valencia's.

 

[jem]

He was the only one taken off today. I guess that says something about what Moyes thought of his performance, or atleast I hope it does.

Sadly, it's a pretty strong indictment of Moyes' performance as well. Only bringing on Cleverley was pretty hard to understand.

 

[marjen]

Well, I'm a bit baffled to be honest.

His whole approach has been one of conservatism so far. He's got in Fellaini who's not really a good option for a side like us in any of the positions he can play in, least of all as an attacking midfielder like we saw towards the end today. His team selections have veered towards gritty players who run around a lot and he's overlooked our game changers and match winners by a large. The lack of Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez is somewhat strange given our poor attacking performances.

I'm not sold on him tactically either. Playing a formation with two not especially mobile CM's, then putting Young and Valencia on either side of that, made us very, very one-dimensional. It was all very appararent today especially so because of no RvP but I was baffled when I saw the line-up.

His plan was obviously close the game off and nick a goal off a set-piece, but he didn't have the personell to do so. Vidic/Rio in every game is strange as well.

Most of all though it's our lack of a winning mentality I miss so far during his tenure, although it's very, very early days. We never looked like going for the jugular against Liverpool and Chelsea, both teams being there for the taking and on the back foot.

 

[Siorac]

He had a good second half against Leverkusen. That is it, he is nowhere near his best, and it's nigh time he is benched for 5-6 games on the trot to consider his shit form for the past 18 months and work to sort himself out. He is starting for his defensive abilities which is slightly weird when his job is to attack, create, and score goals.

It's also weird because he was fecking horrendous defensively, Kolarov and Nasri both had a field day today.

 

[Striker10]

I think he needs to get Rafael back in the team. Give Evans some game time and give Hernandez and Nani a chance especially. It's been a tough start but let's not accept that as a reason not to turn up. He should give them a bollocking and make sensible decisions. Welbecks a great young talent but Hernandez needs games and is a bigger threat with RVP being out.