If Moyes had put it like that, he'd be getting more praise than criticism. That's a great statement from Wenger.
Moyes' is more of a "hard to believe they aren't cheating us just because we're champions" criticism.
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If Moyes had put it like that, he'd be getting more praise than criticism. That's a great statement from Wenger.
Moyes' is more of a "hard to believe they aren't cheating us just because we're champions" criticism.
Cancelled his presser did he?
Lambert as also come out criticizing the fixtures, in his case it's the reverse of what Moyes said.
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No he wouldn't. He'd still be getting criticism, because of who he is. It won't matter what he does or doesn't say, he'll be wrong in many folks eyes by default. When Fergie said things like this he was a genius, when Moyes does it he's pulling a "Rafa".
I don't blame him! Villa's first three fixtures are Arsenal (A), Chelsea (A) and Liverpool (H).
Spot on.
Personally, I'd have preferred if he didn't say it, purely because the media's already on his back and they're trying to twist everything. "Pressure already too much for Moyes" etc, but if SAF had done it, it would have been some master mindgames.
Oh well. I'm pretty confident Moyes is much smarter than just throwing random comments out there without any thought put into it.
He is trying to build a siege mentality for squad after a summer of discontent ie Rooney?
I agree and that is why I thought he should not have said anything. Then again, like you said, there might be some sort of thinking behind it.
Moyes is destined to become one of the most hated men in Britain and I like his approach of cutting to the end of the process straight away. I wouldn't be surprised to see him mug an old woman next, and even then it still won't be considered as wrong as accepting an invite to share a studio with Adrian Chiles.
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David Moyes determined to emerge from Sir Alex Ferguson's huge shadow
• 'Two years' to get Manchester United playing his way
• Praises the Glazers for their 'calm' support as owners
• 'Two years' to get Manchester United playing his way
• Praises the Glazers for their 'calm' support as owners
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- The Guardian, Friday 16 August 2013 23.00 BST
David Moyes is well aware of the expectations of Manchester United. Photograph: Matthew Peters/Man Utd via Getty Images
David Moyes has warned it could take him two years to put his stamp onManchester United after succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson as manager. The Scot is confident that the Glazers, who own the club, have the patience to allow him to do so.
Moyes, who takes charge of his first league game at Swansea City on Saturday evening after a difficult summer in the transfer market, said: "It might take me 18 months to two years to get things changed around. I don't know how long Sir Alex thought it took him to get it the way that he wanted. At a club like Manchester United I will get the opportunity to do that."
United beat Wigan Athletic 2-0 to win last Sunday's Community Shield but Moyes felt no pressure due to the Glazers. "Yeah, there was a trophy at stake. But did I really feel under great pressure? Not really because the difference is I have really good owners who don't panic," he said.
"It might not be like that at other clubs. It would not have affected our owners whether we had won, lost or drawn because we have stability. We know where we are going and how we work. We don't work in a way that every time there is a defeat there is a panic on. Or, if we don't quite reach expectations, then that's something to really bother yourself with. Obviously I am aware of the job and the job is to continue the success of the club.
"They [Glazers] have been fantastic in their calmness, their openness, their support, where they want to take the club. What they want to do with the club is incredible, it really is. They see the stability and continuity as really important – so one-off results you are talking about is not really interesting to them."
Moyes believes Ferguson will be a "great mentor" to him, with the 50-year-old revealing that immediately on becoming manager they discussed the make-up of the team and future plans. He also admitted that the adjustment when taking over from Ferguson extended to using the 71-year-old's office.
"Sitting in the chair for the first time felt odd. I did it myself with nobody looking. I thought I would have to see how it feels in case anybody thought I looked stupid," said Moyes, who is still conscious of the presence of Ferguson, now a director, at the club. "I still go into the office and feel ... Look, Sir Alex is still here and he will be. I went to see him at home the other day. He was great. He is recovering from his hip operation.
"I will use him for advice. He will be a great mentor for me. I am really looking forward to speaking with him. I have probably had half a dozen conversations with him already. It is going to be very hard for anybody to get close [to Ferguson's record]. I have worked hard to get to this position. I worked hard at Preston. I worked hard at Everton and I am going to work hard to maintain Manchester United at the top of the league."
Asked what advice Moyes has taken from Ferguson so far, he said: "I don't think I have gone there for any advice. I have gone there and said: 'This is how things are going. What are you thinking?' He is going to be someone who is around and I want him to be around. On the first day I met him we had discussions about the team within an hour. Within the first 10 minutes of talking, and him telling me I was getting the job, we had already had discussions about the team and what would have to be done and what was expected, like sponsors, media, all the things that come from a big club. He would expect me to do the job myself."
Moyes is aware that, with Ferguson still involved, comparisons will be made with Matt Busby's resignation in 1969. He continued at United, becoming general manager as Wilf McGuinness took over, with Busby's presence considered to have overshadowed his tenure and that of Frank O'Farrell, who was manager later.
"I have not spoken to Wilf but the point you make is a good one," said Moyes. "I have to take over from someone who – I will not be better than him. But the club has to keep moving forward and progressing. Yes, there have to be managers at the club, there have to be changes. Yes, I am a rookie at Manchester United but I am not a rookie overall. I hope I am able to show that as the season progresses."
Moyes joked about managing a side famous for winning when behind in the closing moments. "Yes, you are right. That's why there is a government health warning that comes with this job."
Wayne Rooney has again been given the No10 shirt for the season, as expected, with United clear he will not be sold despite the unhappy forward wanting to leave.
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Good sense of humility about Davey. Sounding very likeable already!
I don't know where some of you get the impression that the press want Moyes to fail. They've been fair with him so far and have shown him the respect he deserves. Some of you are paranoid.
just some??
Phil Neville tells Sky Sports that David Moyes has impressed everyone at Manchester United
David Moyes has made an immediate impact as Manchester United boss - but it will take time to learn the United style, according to joint first-team coach Phil Neville.
Neville, who followed Moyes from Everton to Old Trafford this summer, says the United boss has already stamped his authority on the club after replacing Sir Alex Ferguson.
But the former Manchester United and Everton player has warned that Moyes must learn the United philosophy of attacking football, which could be seen as a contrast to his more pragmatic approach at Everton.
"I think he has really impressed the lads with his training methods," he told Sky Sports. "We have worked them hard and we think we have got them really fit for the start of the season. But he has remained true to himself.
"He has been the same person that I have known for the past eight years. He has treated the players the same as he treated the Everton players - I think that is really important. He has not come in and tried to be someone he is not.
"He has been David Moyes and I think that is why he has impressed all the lads and all the staff so quickly. His feet are under the table now and I think he feels we are ready to start the season well.
"The manager, Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden have to learn the Manchester United way. There is a certain style with being the champions, with being Man United footballers and he is picking it up really fast.
"There are certain things that happen in games with Everton it wouldn't happen - the players may try something a little bit more extravagant may be. That is just the Man United way.
"He has to pick that up really quickly because there will be times this season when we are down in games - if we are 2-0 down and we go on to win 4-2. It just happens. He will learn that as the season goes on. There is a certain aspect to the job which he has to pick up really quickly and that is the style of play."
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United begin the defence of their Premier League title against Swansea on Saturday evening at the Liberty Stadium.
Neville believes Swansea's matches in the Europa League mean they will be slightly ahead of United in terms of match practise but the former Everton captain is confident United can start the season with a victory.
"We have watched a lot Swansea because they have had to prepare for the Europa League ties they are probably slightly ahead of us in terms of the preparation," he said.
"They have had two competitive games and that probably gives them the edge. But we are the champions and we are going in into the game having won the league by 10 points last season so that gives us massive confidence."
I think Moyes has done fairly well so far he's handled the Rooney situation really well and looked strong in doing so. The big test of course starts now we need to hit the ground running and really lay a marker down. We have the players to do that and I think today he will have them up to prove a point.
One slight disapointment has been the transfer business. On one hand he has identified the area for many that needs improvement and he's also stated we are only after the best players. That is the correct thing to do, as we saw last year with RVP it gives everyone a lift. At the end of the day though we still don't have anyone in and to go from "we want to sign only the best" to settling on two of his former players is imo making him look at little bit daft. Of course he could have been let down by the club (Ed Woodward/Glazers) in that respect or maybe we will sign someone who fits his quote by the end of the window but to me that need to be done alot quicker to allow some settling in time.
One slight disapointment has been the transfer business. On one hand he has identified the area for many that needs improvement and he's also stated we are only after the best players. That is the correct thing to do, as we saw last year with RVP it gives everyone a lift. At the end of the day though we still don't have anyone in and to go from "we want to sign only the best" to settling on two of his former players is imo making him look at little bit daft. Of course he could have been let down by the club (Ed Woodward/Glazers) in that respect or maybe we will sign someone who fits his quote by the end of the window but to me that need to be done alot quicker to allow some settling in time.
I thought Moyes' team selection and substitutions were very good today. There were no real eyebrow raisers in the starting XI and he favoured experience on this occasion.
I was surprised to see Rooney in the matchday squad today and certainly didn't expect him to come on as early as he did. I thought that was quite a bold substitution to bring on another attacker at 2-0 early in the second-half. It may have been easier for Moyes on his league debut as manager, with a two goal advantage away from home, to let things carry on as they were, take the 3 points and avoid the Rooney sub until the last 10 minutes or so. However, he made the decision that it was a good opportunity to get Rooney's return out of the road and give him 30 minutes towards regaining form and fitness and it paid off.
I felt it was correct also that it was Giggs that was pulled rather than Welbeck as Danny had scored and would have felt aggrieved to have been subbed so early.
Finally, the Anderson sub although late on was tactically sensible in the circumstances and he was prepared to bring off a striker on a hattrick to address the balance of the side.
It would have been nice to see Kagawa but overall I thought it was all very positive from Moyes today.
I was surprised to see Rooney in the matchday squad today and certainly didn't expect him to come on as early as he did. I thought that was quite a bold substitution to bring on another attacker at 2-0 early in the second-half. It may have been easier for Moyes on his league debut as manager, with a two goal advantage away from home, to let things carry on as they were, take the 3 points and avoid the Rooney sub until the last 10 minutes or so. However, he made the decision that it was a good opportunity to get Rooney's return out of the road and give him 30 minutes towards regaining form and fitness and it paid off.
I felt it was correct also that it was Giggs that was pulled rather than Welbeck as Danny had scored and would have felt aggrieved to have been subbed so early.
Finally, the Anderson sub although late on was tactically sensible in the circumstances and he was prepared to bring off a striker on a hattrick to address the balance of the side.
It would have been nice to see Kagawa but overall I thought it was all very positive from Moyes today.
Laughed at him moaning about Jeff's phone when being interviewed post game! Bit tamer than fergies likely reaction.
I know, it's just a first league game but it was Swansea, a side, capable of miracles on the pitch but Moyes looked extremely focused and cautious about form and health of his players.
It seems to me that for now, it was really good and mature decision to focus on what he already have, including the youth, rather than looking in the hurry for the new players in the window, that probably will arrive to this club, anyway, soon.
If You'll look at his Everton record, he is indeed an experienced manager, in the English football aspect and he's using this type of knowledge in the right direction for the club. Perhaps Fergie deserves a big credit, here, but Moyes doesn't looke like someone, giving up to the huge, worldwide football club's pressure.
I dare to say, it's a spectacular win for a man that was and still is constantly targeted by media and critics, everywhere on the globe. Some really good football, today.
It seems to me that for now, it was really good and mature decision to focus on what he already have, including the youth, rather than looking in the hurry for the new players in the window, that probably will arrive to this club, anyway, soon.
If You'll look at his Everton record, he is indeed an experienced manager, in the English football aspect and he's using this type of knowledge in the right direction for the club. Perhaps Fergie deserves a big credit, here, but Moyes doesn't looke like someone, giving up to the huge, worldwide football club's pressure.
I dare to say, it's a spectacular win for a man that was and still is constantly targeted by media and critics, everywhere on the globe. Some really good football, today.
Based upon what I've seen so far, the Wigan & Swansea matches, I would say Moyes has tightened things up just a little. Under Fergie we were often giving a lot of room away, especially between the lines. But against Swansea we gave very little room away. Swansea found it difficult to pass around us, which is normally Swansea's strength. Certainly Moyes is using un-British modern continental type tactics, with the emphasive on the positional game. Similar to managers like Guardiola & Klopp. Moyes is obviously very knowledgable and very modern in his way of thinking.
Got his team selection spot on yesterday.
Anyone else thinking about what he's going to do with the attack over the season if things stay as they are?
I've said it in other threads but right now it really feels like we have at least one attacker too many. Assuming RVP is pretty much nailed on for the majority of games then there are three spots available and they've got to be shared between, Rooney, Kagawa, Hernandez, Welbeck, Nani, Valencia and Young, and then add Zaha and Januzaj, potentially Lingaard and Giggs and you've got a huge amount of players. Even counting for some injuries it's gonna be tough. So it's going to be really interesting if things stay as they are what will happen particularly with Zaha and Januzaj as well, especially in a world cup year when everyone wants to be playing. Personally would ship off Young, at 29 he's unlikely to improve and would rather have his time given to Zaha and Januzaj.
I guess a lot revolves around what happens with Nani and Rooney. If they both leave then we'd be looking good on numbers still although it would be a worrying drop in actual quality. But as I said if things stay as they are we'd really have to bank on injuries to get everyone time. I mean last season we experimented a bit more as well because off the wingers underperforming, if they get back to their normal levels though, then the amount of attackers we have looks insane.
I've said it in other threads but right now it really feels like we have at least one attacker too many. Assuming RVP is pretty much nailed on for the majority of games then there are three spots available and they've got to be shared between, Rooney, Kagawa, Hernandez, Welbeck, Nani, Valencia and Young, and then add Zaha and Januzaj, potentially Lingaard and Giggs and you've got a huge amount of players. Even counting for some injuries it's gonna be tough. So it's going to be really interesting if things stay as they are what will happen particularly with Zaha and Januzaj as well, especially in a world cup year when everyone wants to be playing. Personally would ship off Young, at 29 he's unlikely to improve and would rather have his time given to Zaha and Januzaj.
I guess a lot revolves around what happens with Nani and Rooney. If they both leave then we'd be looking good on numbers still although it would be a worrying drop in actual quality. But as I said if things stay as they are we'd really have to bank on injuries to get everyone time. I mean last season we experimented a bit more as well because off the wingers underperforming, if they get back to their normal levels though, then the amount of attackers we have looks insane.
I liked his post match interview, some good stuff.
He was in his tracksuit though much better than this though
He was in his tracksuit though much better than this though
Yep, you're right. If we stay injury free and keep all the players I think that both Zaha and especially Januzaj will have very limited playtime. Also, wouldn't be surprised in one of Nani, Valencia and Young to not play that much. Assuming that RVP is a guaranteed starter (without Januzaj who is still a reserve team player) we have 9 players who will compete for 3 positions (8 if we assume that Chicha will be a RVP understudy and will play when we rest Robin). Too much and there could be problems wanting to keep them all happy, but as we know, we aren't the luckiest when it comes to injuries.
Better gets his suit on the next time
Yeah that's always the worry, I can't imagine Hernandez would have felt great only getting a few starts last season and the other problem is that I'm not sure how much Moyes will tinker with the team given he's bound to be conscious of wanting to win as many games as he can and not change a winning team too much and taking the extra risk. Guess we'll have to see but yeah personally think we could trim the squad a bit, although outside of Young I'm not really sure where I'd let anyone go. I know lingaard spoke about not going on loan again but think it might be best for him if he did, same with Powell.
Bit worrying that he doesn't know how many games we play in the league? (2:14)
This weekend perfectly emphasised why I was glad we went for him instead of Mourinho.
The United game...all about the football overshadowing Rooney and Moyes. Entertainment. Great goals. Everything focused towards what happens on the pitch.
The Chelsea game...all about Jose Mourinho, what Jose Mourinho has to say. Mourinho. Everyone look at Mourinho. Meanwhile, the most boring, joyless game of football I think I've ever seen is played out. Then afterwards, loads more tiresome Mourinho ego pandering. I can just about stand it when it's Chelsea because I can simply turn it off. If it was United I'd have to put up with it. Every single fecking week...no.
I'd actually forgotten how fecking boring I find Jose Mourinho and his teams.
The United game...all about the football overshadowing Rooney and Moyes. Entertainment. Great goals. Everything focused towards what happens on the pitch.
The Chelsea game...all about Jose Mourinho, what Jose Mourinho has to say. Mourinho. Everyone look at Mourinho. Meanwhile, the most boring, joyless game of football I think I've ever seen is played out. Then afterwards, loads more tiresome Mourinho ego pandering. I can just about stand it when it's Chelsea because I can simply turn it off. If it was United I'd have to put up with it. Every single fecking week...no.
I'd actually forgotten how fecking boring I find Jose Mourinho and his teams.
Will a mod please remove the exclamation mark from the thread title, it makes us look like tossers.
I would but it'd ruin my record of having not done any actual moderating since about 2010
Best not to try anyway Noods, it would only end up with a few extra ones added on.
Thats what you took from the interview?
Mourinho does a great job, his teams win but they have always IMHO lacked that bit of excitement about them. They are just too clinical and dull.
I want to see a few more of his team selections before I decide. He may just have been cautious in his first match...but he did not go all out for wing play. Makes you wonder how he will use Nani,Valencia, Zaha and Young.
Moyes comes across as a very down to earth guy. He reminds me of the 'old fashioned' type of manager we are used to. Very focused.
We will be playing Chelsea, Liverpool and City in quick order. That really will give us a glimpse into how the man thinks.
We will be playing Chelsea, Liverpool and City in quick order. That really will give us a glimpse into how the man thinks.
Very worrying. He still think he's at Everton, who of course play less league games than United do.
Where is the ultra pessimistic rant about the things you noticed Noodles? That series was very funny, start it for the new season Noodles.
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That actually reminded me so much of Fergie. We talked so much about the all-powerful one man winning machine on here that we forgot the bumbling old man part. He used to hilariously forget the names of opposition players in pre- and post-match interviews all the time.
Yep....I'm starting to really warm to him. Can already see why the board wanted Moyes ahead of someone like Mourinho (and thats coming from someone who wanted Mourinho in the first place!)...I really hope he's successful here, I like the idea of him being our manager for the next 15 years.
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