He has no rights to say that never won anything. Sorry but I can stomach that statement
Moyes So Far!
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He has no rights to say that never won anything. Sorry but I can stomach that statement
We always knew the pressure would be on immediately for whoever ended up replacing Fergie. In fairness to Moyes, he's had to deal with a calamitous transfer season, the Rooney saga, and a murderous schedule. Unfortunately, his snowball is rolling in the wrong direction, and if we are not noticeably better over the next few months, i wouldn't be surprised if we do a Hodgson@Pool or Rafa@Inter come Christmas time.
I honestly dont think we'd let him go in/after 1 season as long as its something like finishing outside of the european places. I think no matter what he'll get about 18 months as Sir Alex's chosen replacement
I fully expected us to not be firing on all cylinders attacking-wise in the first half of the season or so. We've been far too comfortable in the way we slowly move the ball for a while now, and it was always going to take Moyes a while to have any chance of getting to grips with what our squad can produce.
What I really didn't expect, and what worries me the most, is our defending. We've been pretty atrocious defensively so far this season, with maybe the Chelsea match (where they showed zero ambition) as an exception. When we haven't conceded several goals, I can't help but feel it's mainly down to good luck and bad finishing by our opponents. I felt when we equalised against WBA that we'd be very lucky to get anything from the match, as we couldn't seem to keep them quiet at all in the second half.
Our midfielders don't seem to know which runs to track, or if they do they don't seem too bothered about doing it. And our defenders are jumping into challenges half-heartedly and letting players skip past them with ease. I have no idea what's causing this, it's not like our team selections have been gung-ho pure attacking XIs every time. I've read plenty of posters pointing at Rio as the culprit, and I do agree that he's been one of our worst so far this season, but he was by no means the only player defending too passively or half-heartedly yesterday, or in any other match this season.
What I really didn't expect, and what worries me the most, is our defending. We've been pretty atrocious defensively so far this season, with maybe the Chelsea match (where they showed zero ambition) as an exception. When we haven't conceded several goals, I can't help but feel it's mainly down to good luck and bad finishing by our opponents. I felt when we equalised against WBA that we'd be very lucky to get anything from the match, as we couldn't seem to keep them quiet at all in the second half.
Our midfielders don't seem to know which runs to track, or if they do they don't seem too bothered about doing it. And our defenders are jumping into challenges half-heartedly and letting players skip past them with ease. I have no idea what's causing this, it's not like our team selections have been gung-ho pure attacking XIs every time. I've read plenty of posters pointing at Rio as the culprit, and I do agree that he's been one of our worst so far this season, but he was by no means the only player defending too passively or half-heartedly yesterday, or in any other match this season.
You may be right, although the pressure he would be under if we're languishing outside the top four at Christmas may be insurmountable. We desperately need to go on a run starting immediately.
I think he'll get a year and then his performance will be assessed to determine whether the Glazers are prepared to back him or not. We can get maximum reward from backing someone long term but it's also maximum risk as we're letting someone shape the next 5 or 6 years of a club - we need a sure thing.
In reality though, nothing is a sure thing.
So we average the most crosses per game this season
3rd most long balls this season behind Southampton and Spurs
The most offsides per game - Rooney 1.4 offsides per game so far the worst offender
We have the least percentage of shots from the middle section of the pitch, the most efforts from the right side and 8th most from the left side.
We've had the 2nd most shots from inside the 18 yard box, 19th most shots from outside the box and 15th most from inside the 6 yard box
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3rd most long balls this season behind Southampton and Spurs
The most offsides per game - Rooney 1.4 offsides per game so far the worst offender
We have the least percentage of shots from the middle section of the pitch, the most efforts from the right side and 8th most from the left side.
We've had the 2nd most shots from inside the 18 yard box, 19th most shots from outside the box and 15th most from inside the 6 yard box
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Providing we're making top 4 he'll be fine for the first couple years. If it looks like we won't qualify though he'll get the chop no messing. This club simply cannot afford to drop out of that competition.
True. "I'm not sure we can afford that risk" would've been better there.
The thing is though it's such a big transition period for the club with the main core of a former team being fazed out - Evra, Ferdinand, Carrick, Giggs, Vidic will only go downhill from here. We also have to factor in the Glazers as it will require a lot of investment to get this transition period right. After the summer transfer window there has to be doubts about whether or not it'd be wise to be putting so much money in the hands of Moyes. I have a feeling he'll have to prove that he's worth the investment this season.
Those are some very interesting stats that confirm what most people have been saying this season - that we've lacked creativity.
Since this thread is about moyes, he's clearly gotten off to a woeful start. But in a way I think I think he has been left with a squad with a fair few issues. I feel that this had been coming for awhile now. Our quality of football has been dropping over the last few seasons and three key areas have become weaker and weaker:
1) central midfield - sir alex refused to strengthen it, moyes failed to one summer (in a big way) and it continues to hold us back
2) out of form wide players - we have good wide players but a few of them seem to either have been found out or just aren't good enough. And our whole game has been built around width for ages.
3) our defence has been rubbish for awhile. Without vidic we look lacking in both composure and balls. Weve gone from the best defence in Europe to one that has a lot of problems.
4) finally, our football hasn't been very cohesive for quite awhile. It's something fans have complained about and our results against sir alex papered over these cracks.
Of course he's still got a very good squad and more than good enough to challenge, but his bedding into a club of this size coupled with the above issues, have made it a tough period. What's important is that we improve as the season goes on and we see his ideas taking shape over the course of the season, and how he tackles these said issues. Of course he's made some odd calls IMO so far, like playing rio and buttner yesterday, but all in all, let's give him time and patience to get this team playing the way he wants to. Disappointing, yes, but just the start.
To be honest, even if I were at Carrington every day I'd have no clue how good a job the coaches are doing. We can only judge them by the form of the players and by the results.
Who'll be brave enough to change the thread title to 'Moyes Sack Watch'!? 
Moyes message to the Glazers
Sir Alex Ferguson’s former side are the reigning champions of England, but aren’t good enough to win Europe’s premier competition.
Moyes told reporters: “To win the Champions League you have to have five or six world-class players.
“If you look at Bayern Munich, they have five or six really world-class players, and to win it you might have to have that in your squad.
“Look at Barcelona, who had it in the past, and Real Madrid have maybe got it now.
“That’s the level you have to get at to win it. We’ve not got that yet. What we have got is experience and several players who are in that category or close to it.”
Sir Alex Ferguson’s former side are the reigning champions of England, but aren’t good enough to win Europe’s premier competition.
Moyes told reporters: “To win the Champions League you have to have five or six world-class players.
“If you look at Bayern Munich, they have five or six really world-class players, and to win it you might have to have that in your squad.
“Look at Barcelona, who had it in the past, and Real Madrid have maybe got it now.
“That’s the level you have to get at to win it. We’ve not got that yet. What we have got is experience and several players who are in that category or close to it.”
Often the best teams end up winning the cl (Chelsea or Porto) but he's right that we have some way to go match the best,
Someone who actually knows what they are doing. Moyes is playing crap football and looks like a rabbit in headlights. Some of the players already look like they don't want to play for him. He won't last till Christmas at this rate, it's not 1986. Sooner some folk realise that the better. He was never the man for the job. Out.
I've never been convinced by Moyes but how much of this is down to him? Surely it's a combination of things? Not least of all the fact that our midfield has been lacking for a few years - how many of the players we've used there come anywhere close to Keane, Ince, Robson, Scholes?
Old argument I know, but surely valid, and at least part of the blame lies with the long term failure to strengthen that area.
Old argument I know, but surely valid, and at least part of the blame lies with the long term failure to strengthen that area.
if robin did not play, just against such a weak team, why not played roon as forward and let kagawa play the no. 10 role. the latter definitely is not a winger. moyes failed to sign any creative midfielder if he does not trust kagawa is definitely a fault
another thing is anderson should not be preferred ahead of cleverly, even kagawa is not trusted. moyes should see the impact of the latter in the derby though mancity just sat back after leading 4-0
He has no rights to say it, he never won a bloody thing.
He made it sounds like he won it couple of times
He's not getting sacked mid-season. No chance.
And you've probably never player a game of competitive football in your life, never mind earned a living from the game. Unfortunately, that doesn't stop you sharing your opinions. So why can't Moyes share his?
He will have this season and the next at least to settle into the job, provided of course we remain in the top four. What's worrying for me though is that the number of questionable decisions made by him far outweigh the good ones.
I don't think they are wise comments from Moyes. It's hardly going to instil confidence into our players. Fergie defended those players last season when the media argued it wasn't a great title winning team. He always made them feel like he thought they were great and I think the last thing we want is them thinking they're not good enough right now.
What? He can't have an opinion? He's a very successful premier league manager who has the best manager award more times than fergie!
The most worrying aspect for me, is not having a bad season whilst we get sorted out, but the results of a bad season. It was hard enough this year to sign quality players and we're PL champions. How would a bad season affect our ability to attract the best? The Glazers have made it obvious we aren't going to be laying out silly money, so all we have to offer is our name and history.
He actually said we've got several players "close to" that level. Presumably because he wants improvement from them. You can take that whichever way you want. No surprises if many take it as a chance to criticise the manager. That's been a theme this season.
So basically Liverpool.
I can't believe we are talking about finishing outside the top 4
Agree.
But it's possible playing down expectations might work in his favor given his circumstances which were different from fergie's.
It won't happen. Too much quality.I can't believe we are talking about finishing outside the top 4
I just didn't really appreciate the presumed negativity about our chances or that our team is mostly filled with non world class players. Ok..it might be true, but you just don't say these things! It doesn't make the team feel good.....
I wouldn't be so sure about that...
Playing down expectations would be saying something like he's taking it one game at a time and seeing how we get on. I just think those comments are going to make the team feel like they're not good enough, at a time when they probably need picking up.
Maybe some of them don't deserve to feel very good about themselves. Maybe he's walked in thinking we've got great works class players and very few are turning up on the pitch. What works for one manager might not work for another. I personally liked fergie's style of backing players to the hilt in general and would prefer that stance, but I'm open to the possibility that this could be the right thing to say in this particular scenario. You never know. Maybe he thinks some players need a kick up the back side to get them going.
His comments are probably aimed at telling some of them to prove to him that they really are world class footballers because he hasn't seen it from them yet.
I'm absolutely sure about it. Look at our attacking options. That alone guarantees 4th place for me. And I expect the defence to improve by leaps and bounds once vidic returns to fitness and peak form. Also, moyes will get a better idea as to the best 11 and start treating some as backups, hopefully.
Moyes has taken on the hardest job in football. Not being manager of United, but following Fergie. He was never a bad manager at Everton, so there has to be a lot more to our bad start than just Moyes.
I know it's easy to say, but I really do put our decline - despite all the success - down to the time the Glazers came.
I know it's easy to say, but I really do put our decline - despite all the success - down to the time the Glazers came.
Squad is a bit bloated IMO and needs to be trimmed out soon. Either way, squad rotation can wait and i hope he starts fielding a consistent playing 11. More importantly a consistent back 4. The results will follow.
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