Moyes So Far!
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fecking hell
A lot of people have picked up on this I think too much is being made of it though. Maybe it's habit, but I honestly do think its just something he has said with the intention of saying that it's not going to be an easy game for Newcastle. Why would he put his own side down like that? It makes no sense really and think it's being read into too much by fans of ours that are trying to find anything to deflect from the fact that the players aren't performing on the pitch and are nit-picking.
I think what you've said about the terms in his statement is correct, he has worded it wrong but I honestly don't think that he is losing any sleep about tomorrow's game.
Disgraceful eh?
Really defeatist, or something.
We have lost one in 13. If someone had been told before those 13 games we would lose one out of the next 13 the response might have been 'that is really good'.
Hes happy losing 1 in 13. Small time mentality.
Hes happy losing 1 in 13. Small time mentality.
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If we average 1 loss in every 13 games we'd more than likely win the league.
Where's he said he was happy about losing?
Replacing people who would challenge him with yes men isn't exactly brave. He brought the same ideas and atmosphere from Everton to United, and it's bringing similar results and football. Every one of the staff he got rid of has more experience than their replacements and have worked with the greatest manager ever for years. Why would you replace them with Phil Neville? Steve Round? If he had kept the old guard, he could have worked within Fergie's system for several seasons before phasing out the backroom staff as they retire or move on. There wouldn't be a huge break in continuity or change of philosophy like there has been. It would have offered him new ideas and insights that he didn't get at Everton and challenged him as a manager. Instead, he brings in the guys who'll do what he wants them to do rather than having their own ideas.
If the Prime Minister/President dies, his replacement doesn't come in and fire the entire cabinet the first day. He works with the cabinet he has until he has enough success and stability to replace them.
The league isn't decided after 13 games last time I checked.
Twice under Fergie we had worse starts than this season. Guess what, we didn't finish mid table either time.
Twice under Fergie we had worse starts than this season. Guess what, we didn't finish mid table either time.
Was just pointing out the obvious, that we haven't been in 'more than likely' league winning form as you spun it. Denial will only get us so far.
And my point was where did Moyes say he was happy losing the game.
Well, the implication of his retrospective "that is really good" quote is that our form has been good. But it has been midtable form.
He's obviously not happy with losing, what manager is?
I know for a fact that Moyes didn't rate some of the previous staff. Question his decision all you like but there are signs that the new coaches are doing good work. Ok it's not brought great performances, but how can we, as outsiders, say thay it has anything to do with the staff? It's pure guesswork on our part and just highlights the need for some to try and turn it into a negative to beat Moyes with.
We've new fitness coaches and a new goalkeeper coach. Funnily enough they're two areas that I think we've improved in already.
We've new fitness coaches and a new goalkeeper coach. Funnily enough they're two areas that I think we've improved in already.
How did you come by that knowledge? If he didn't rate them then why?
Really?? Although to be fair, De Gea hasn't really changed from last season
As I said, it's hard to tell from the outside. However I look to Rooney and see a massive improvement. Fergie lamented him never being fit but now he seems to be in the best shape in years. Either it's the fitness training or Moyes has motivated him to sort himself out.
With regards to De Gea, the previous coaches did a great job in turning him into a top goalkeeper. His only weakness was in the air, though they got him to a good standard there. Now he seems an absolute beast in the air. He's definitely got better there. It could be a natural development that the previous coaches would have brought too, but the new coaches have done it regardless. They should take some credit for that. They're obviously not as disastrous as has been made out.
I've mentioned in the past that the Moyes' are friends of some of my family, going back to when he was at Everton. I hear bits like that every now and then.
As to why he didn't rate them, I dont know. I'm also not sure which ones in particular, but I always had a feeling that it was as a result of what Fergie told him on where things could be improved. Some decisions were obviously down to Moyes.
Excellent point well made
However, no matter what, having Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs, learning on the job, while one of them is still playing, as coaches, is an absolute moronic thing to do..
If he goes on and becomes the best manager ever, I will still hold that over him. Stupid move!
Excellent point well made
However, no matter what, having Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs, learning on the job, while one of them is still playing, as coaches, is an absolute moronic thing to do..
If he goes on and becomes the best manager ever, I will still hold that over him. Stupid move!
I think they're here due to their masses of experience of the club and how things are done here. The coaches under Moyes aren't the same as they were under Fergie. Moyes is more hands on than Fergie in his later years, so the coaches serve a different purpose under him. I'm guessing they play more of a support role, whereas the coaches under Fergie needed more experience and know how as they were effectively running things on a day-to-day basis.
Not to mention that playing at the top level for such a long time is going to give you a really good understanding of coaching and the various methods. Going by what the players say about Giggs and his role over the last few years, he sounded like he was acting as more of a senior figure anyway in comparison to other players.
Hmmm...I see what you mean but I still think it's wrong. Regardless of Moyes been hands on or not mate, I can't for the life of me understand why them two are coaches. I read an interview with Phil Neville the other day and some of the things he said baffled me. I'd honestly tell him to feck off if I was a player and he said some of the things to me.
In my opinion, he should have kept some of the former staff and let Neville and Giggs learn on a daily basis from working with them
it was always going to be a difficult season.
First of, shut the feck up with your insults!
Secondly, you tell me why the two of them are coaches? Other then the fact that one is a Moyes man and the other knows the club...You tell me, as coaches, why they deserve to be here..Because why would Giggs be hired as a coach at a club of this magnitude when Moyes has never even seen the guy train or have any idea what he would be like as a coach..I'm fascinated to hear your answer...Especially now I've given you the time and respect you deserve when I could have easily shot you down for been an arrogant, insulting, jumped up poster
Both of you need to cool it with the insults, or else face a ban.
Players lost or never had faith in him, Moyes' future is signed
How about they have both been doing their high level coaching badges, they have both been involved at youth level coaching at Utd and at Everton. How about well over 40 years between them having been coached by Fergie which means countless hours of drills and exercises that they will know inside out. How about the untold thousands and thousands of hours they put in as kids and youth players being coached and all the inherent and intuitive knowledge that comes with that. How about the fact that under Fergie and also Neville under Moyes they have been coached by other coaches and all the while taking in all that knowledge and experience. How about they have played at the highest level and during that time been coached how to play various tactical parts of the game and that they would have done this for untold hours. How about all this knowledge means they may actually know what they are doing. How about all that experience adds up to something substantial and can in turn be incredibly valuable to hand on to the younger players coming through. Not just training ground coaching but also their experiences of living in the public eye as a pro footballer.
Maybe just maybe he already knew of Giggs involvement at Utd within the coaching system due to the fact he might have just had the odd conversation with Fergie about it?. You know Fergie, the guy with all that experience and knowledge who may or may not have given Moyes some thoughts on it?.
Seriously, its not rocket science to work out why they are involved.
It's frankly bizarre that anyone would have a problem with Ryan Giggs - of all people - being a coach at Manchester United. Not least when it seems to come as part of a general criticism directed at Moyes' supposed ditching of continuity and winner culture. Can't please some people, that's clear enough.
I'm pretty certain that Giggs would have got the player/coach role this season, even if Fergie hadn't retired.
The signs are coming from all over the place that he's not the right man for this job. It's not only bad results and that we have lost our identity it's so much more. His first transfer window was a disaster, to be fair it couldn't have gone worse. Sacking the old back room staff on his first day at the office. So many strange decisions regarding line ups and substitutions. Negative approach. Strange comments in his interviews. Not to mention his mid table mindset regarding facing opponents. Just to mention what's in front of us.
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BTW, I did edit my first posting within about a minute of writing it as i realized it was out of order. Im amazed it showed up in the quote so fast. When i edited it, there had been no response so i thought I had got it out of sight before anyobne was offended.
He seems to getting all sorts of quotes from phantom sources.
Oh yes.. let's hurl abuse at David Moyes, six months into the job - after replacing the greatest manager of all time. Fans like that almost deserves to be commercially exploited by the club. Bloody hell.
some muppet was on the United Facebook page before and said that if we lose today, then Moyes's position was untenable, just fecking stupid.
Yeah as if its his fault that the same club who won the league title comfortable just few months ago are lingering at 9th position.
Unbelievable.
We all knew we'd have to be patient, if Moyes can just keep us in the Champions League then he should be given another two or three seasons to get us close to the title.
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