Thats right up there with the worst posts I've ever seen.
Negativity about RVP
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Thats right up there with the worst posts I've ever seen.
No, it was worse. Your post was like a physical attack on Fergie and, well, the entire world. It was quite short, but my god did you manage to get everything either wrong or backwards. There might have been a point in there somewhere, but I suspect it killed itself.
Yeah right.
I criticise fergies signings but others impugned his integrity and my post is worse. Fair enough its your opinion.
It's a pretty common opinion it seems to be fair. But I'm glad you feel it does deserve to be compared to the worst posts of all time, it's honest at least.
Btw the 26 yr reference was to the list I posted not overall and his last few.
But yeah worst post ever.
Those people were mainly upset after they found out not all the proceeds would pay off the debt.
Plus any time the Glazers do anything, it's a sore point for a lot of people, that stirs up a lot of bad feeling about how they acquired the club, the debt etc.
They said some admittedly stupid things, but heat of the moment and all that jazz.
But you're showing a willful ignorance of reality.
But by last few, you actually missed 11 players who funnily enough didn't fit your warped point. You can't include Hargreaves, signed in 2006, but forget someone like Obertan, signed in 2009....
Commadus, have you even seen Henriquez play?
How on earth can you say signing the best striker (or one of) in the world last season for 20m a bad signing? And you even defend it after! Ridiculous.
What does that matter? He was cheap, South American and has a cool name. Instantly good signing.
Anything with a 'z' in it is instantly a good signing, think of all the Z's they have lying around in the Superstore.
were you one of them?
Utter tosh. I stand by Young being a poor singning and I say that Rvp will not end up being a good signing either. If that's willful ignorance then I suspect the ones who impugned fergie are saints.
You missed my genuine point just a few posts up.
defend it?
Tried backing it up? Persisted by saying he's old and we're well stocked up front when we really aren't? As has been pointed out before, if Rooney got injured we'd have to rely on Hernandez and welbeck.
This seems like a good time to re-post some stats I compiled earlier this summer.
All-time Goals Scored Per 38 games [Goals]
97 - 1999-2000
93 - 1956-7 [103]
93 - 1958-9 [103]
92 - 1959-60 [102]
89 - 2011-12
87 - 2001-2
86 - 1951-2 [95]
86 - 1946-7 [95]
86 - 2009-10
86 - 1951-2
83 - 2006-7
Goals Scored last 6 season:
11-12: 89
10-11: 78
09-10: 86
08-09: 68
07-08: 80
06-07: 83
All-Time Goal Difference per 38 games [GD]
58 - 2007-8
58 - 2009-10
56 - 2011-12
56 - 2006-7
52 - 1999-2000
49 - 1994-5
48 - 2000-1
47 - 1997-8
45 - 1964-5 [50]
44 - 2008-9
44 - 1956-7 [49]
43 - 1998-9
Goal Difference last 6 season:
11-12: 56
10-11: 41
09-10: 58
08-9: 44
07-8: 58
06-7: 56
89 points last season is tied for 3rd best in our history with 2006-7, behind 1999-2000 [91 pts] and 2008-9 [90]. We had 92 in 42 games in 93-94 but that's only 2.19 points per game, which would be 83 points over 38 games.
Yeah I thought we were fine goalscoring wise most of the time last season, but we looked really one dimensional for a lot of time last season. And our defence was pretty bad.
Which is still better than Jones for Carrick.
This place is starting to do my nut in; some of you are genuine idiots
Very good, you pull 1 match out of your arse and hold that up as the reason
The other lad was making a post about the bigger picture
You could say we have the two best players in the league now. Don't see the reason for negativity.
How the feck can anyone take signing Van Persie as a negative?
24 hours, a few bottle of spirits and admin powers. I'll soon have it all sorted.
Nope, I'm all for Fergie getting his beak wet and even if I wasn't, the whole issue wasn't worth getting bent out of shape over.
Ironically, those same people were claiming the bids for RVP and that other guy I've forgotten now he's went to PSG, was purely smokescreen for the IPO and that's what made him a shill. So even they disagree with you.
Regardless, no they aren't saints... they are idiots, but we've all done stupid things from time to time and I'm no exception, so I don't judge them too harshly, for rash statements when emotions are high. Not that I'm in a position to judge or meet out any justice in the first place.
It's also an entirely separate thread and argument, almost utterly irrelevant to this one. Other than the fact you think your being unfairly singled out over idiocy, whilst they got away with it. Like the guy crying foul over his rape charge because OJ Simpson received no punishment, it's a pointless statement and possibly incorrect, he's totally out swell pair of gloves.
As we meander back to the real point.
I'm no Young fan, by any stretch of the imagination, I wasn't too thrilled by his signing either but the jury is still out and his first season was 'alright' before he signed, he was a proven premiership performer and to allude that some random South American player is already better simply because he's cheap and young (in age) is farcical.
Your idea that RVP will be similar to Young simply because he's also older than 26 is stupid and somewhat lazy, a better (but no less stupid) comparison would be to Berbatov. You might be right, he might be a terrible signing and do worse than either of those two, but you have no idea if it will or won't turn out that way. To act like it is a certainty based on such and arbitrary data snippet, like how old he is, is beyond crazy.
If I said to you, that no signing ever made by Fergie that wore size 8 football boots did jack shit at United and was therefore a total waste of money, you'd laugh me out of the place.
I think we'd both prefer you to be wrong and if you are, it still bares no real weight in next player we sign that's over 26.
I was thinking we should the name of the thread to something more dramatic like, Rise of the Caftards: When good is never good enough (and needs to bulk up) but caftard is almost a term of endearment so it doesn't fit.
You enjoy moaning about those people who are moaning about moaning. Or something
One goal against Wigan and we'd be champions.
Also if we'd scored 5, it would have been fine.
Yes, I've seen Plech make that point a couple times, he is a part of the process too. It's a cycle of moaning, but the trick is not to be the dick that starts it all off.
Just because we need a midfielder doesn't make RVP a bad signing? Completely different positions that should be judged on their own, not saying one player is a bad signing because we lack cover in a completely other area. SAF would never have gone for him had he not had the opportunity to get him so cheaply (and yes, 20m for RVP is an amazing deal).
Basically.
I have no issue about people who are moaning about SAF not buying midfielders or looking for value. They are moaning about the team. Isn't that what this forum is for? People who want to vent / be passionate about the club? Isn't it healthier to say some dumb shit online then go to a game and shout it at the players?
The people who moan about the moaners...they're the sad one's as far as i'm concerned. How can you get that upset about another persons opinion? Are you really that insecure about your own feelings about the club that you have to verbally attack a random feck on the internet.
I'm all for a good ole trolling session, or rant cause it keeps people from turning into sheeps. RAWK is an example of that sort of philosophy. Dissenters are banned it seems and everyone tows a party line. There's nothing wrong with people saying outrageous things. The walls of an internet forum should never be beige.
Yeah but that's not what he was talking about.
My prob is not the moaning, it's the stupidity that they are moaning about usually
So what's he talking about?
He seems to be saying that having a good old fashioned moan about how your team is going tits up because of such and such is one of the things we love about football.
The problem is far too many Top Reds view this as some sort of affront to SAF (notice how many posts start..."oh so you think you know more then SAF?? WANKER!!!..."no, No we don't we're just having a fecking moan, do you mind?")
I love that we've signed RVP...but hey, it could turn out to be a disaster. He could get injured and play 15 games for the next 4 years. He might turn into a turd and fail to link up with Rooney. Welbeck might decide to feck off next year. Who knows...crazier things have happened in football.
So if someone does rant about it, argue with them, call them names, but to moan about how they are being negative is just such a bitch move...cause all it really means is you can't stand someone having a different opinion then you.
Moaning about your team is one of the joys and privileges of being a football supporter. It's like a marriage, you got the highs and lows...and the lows makes the highs that much better. If you cant' appreciate that I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, if you don't like endless senseless moaning you're not a real football fan!
nobody said that, but you seem to want to run with that...so sure. You need to endlessly and senselessly moan about how shit the team is. It's got to be 24 / 7...
or you're not a football fan.
I actually think this the most positive football forum I've ever come across.
It's definitely the most interesting.
We don't have a bunch of sheep just bleating about how this is going to be our year, or sucking up to one player or figure in the team like a messianic cult.
Yeah, dude but it has to be justified otherwise you're a dick.
Meh, the rest of my life could be shit, I could go bankrupt, end up on the street with a 4 month old copy of the Sun as my only friend, get raped by a cat and die of Cat Aids, might as well shoot myself today, just in case.
