We cannot play a midfield without Carrick in any match of significance, let alone Newcastle away from home. They'l run through us at will.
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We cannot play a midfield without Carrick in any match of significance, let alone Newcastle away from home. They'l run through us at will.
Dangerous fixture especially if Fergie goes in with the dynamic trio of Scholes-Carrick and Giggs...other then that we also have to contend with Ba / Cisse / Ben Arfa and given our recent defensive frailties that's going to be a challenge in itself.
Looks a draw to me...
Looks a draw to me...
Carrick is incredibly out of form, he was very poor against both Liverpool and especially Spurs for me. I'd prefer to go for Fletcher, but I doubt he's matchfit enough to be starting 2 games in a week, and in a tough away fixture against Newcastle no-less... thus Ando/Scholes would be the next best option for me.
Those damn horse mermaids again.
fletcher isnt match fit, needs more games. Regarding Carrick, playing him with Scholes and Giggs isnt going to get the best out of him. We need a partner for him.
Scholes and Ando provide nothing defensively. Who'd protect our already shaky defence?
Because Carrick did such a stand-up job of doing this at the weekend?
Ando might not be as defensively or positionly sound as Carrick by a long shot.... but he'll cover the ground and put himself about at least. Besides, our defense is so shakey at the moment, I'm tempted to say attack is our best form of defense.
No Scholes nor Giggs should be starting. Throw Scholes in for the last 20 mins when necessary. Not sure whether we should start Kagawa or Nani. Apart from that the line up should be clear. Probably Büttner instead of Evra.
huh? So drop him and bring someone who's incapable of doing it anyways?
Ando's hardly someone who'l run around and impose himself all game long. He doesnt have the stamina to do it. And the last line is just fantasy, we arent good enough at keeping the ball for attack to be the best form of defence. We'l just get cut through at will
Agree. Newcast;e will look to have a high tempo from the off. If Scholes starts I see him getting over run again.
Let him have the last 30/20mins.
Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson in midfield please.
Fergie, if you read the caf, make it so.
Fergie, if you read the caf, make it so.
This was our team when we played there last year and lost 3-0. Very make-shift, players out of position, poor midfield, and I remember Jones had a shocker.
I'm hopeful that nearly any team we put out will do a lot better.
Lindegaard
Valencia - Ferdinand - Jones - Evra
Nani - Carrick - Giggs - Park
Berbatov - Rooney
Valencia - Ferdinand - Jones - Evra
Nani - Carrick - Giggs - Park
Berbatov - Rooney
I'm hopeful that nearly any team we put out will do a lot better.
Well, if Carrick isn't doing a decent job at it, then what difference does it make? At least Anderson is a) in form, and b) will offer more going forward. He's done a very good job in the last two games he's started for us, and deserves a chance. He might not last all game long, but he can surely last long enough to put us in a decent position in the game.
As for the bit in bold Like the 2nd half against Spurs you mean? Where Rooney RVP Nani and Kagawa were all on the pitch? Yes Spurs sat back, but that was half to do with how much we were dominating possesion... if Spurs could have actually got hold of the ball, they'd have tried to come at us (like they managed to do once - and score, thanks to some all round shite defending).
as much as i want to see that, i dont see how we can fit RVP Rooney Kagawa and Nani in it. I'd play Carrick and Ando with Kagawa just ahead of them.
Jesus that looks grim.
Again, Carrick having 1 bad game doesnt mean he's suddenly incapable of doing the job he's done very well for years. Ando on the other hand isnt capable of doing it and has never done it. His best attributes/good games/good form isnt because of his ability to sit back and shield the defence. I want to see him play too, but with Carrick. scholes should be on the bench.
Spurs shat it, if you're expecting Newcastle to do the same at home, you're in for a surprise.
----------Carrick----Ando----
Nani-------Kagawa<----->Rooney
-------------RVP----
With Kagawa and Rooney interchanging.
Ferdinand - Jones partnership....... *shudder*
I'm not even sure Scholes was over-run against Spurs. Dembele moved past him for the 2nd goal, but a) Dembele does that to a lot of players, and b) Newcastle don't have anyone like Dembele. The main problem he had in the first half was that no fecker around him was ever showing for the ball. For all his merits, Kagawa seems to be struggling to create space for himself in central areas, Nani and Giggs weren't interested and Carrick wasn't having his best game.
With Rooney ahead of him, an interested Nani and Kagawa cutting in from wide positions, you'd imagine there would be a lot more options for Scholes to use and thus we would keep the ball better and create more chances. Anderson next to him would help make up for his legs as well.
One bad game? He was dire against Liverpool as well. He's not started this season with anywhere near the same form he was in last season. If Carrick continues his form, the only difference between your line-up and mine is that we'll have much less of the football.
Also, Rooney should stay central... Kagawa is struggling to find the space in the centre, and had much more joy at Spurs cutting in from the wide position. Meanwhile, Rooney is brilliant at making space for himself, and we need him on the ball as much as possible.
Finally, Spurs only "shat it" because they found out in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half they could barely get the ball... and so spent the rest of the half camped.
de Gea
Rafael
Ferdinand
Evans
Evra
Carrick
Cleverley
Scholes
Kagawa
Rooney
van Persie
SUBS: Lindegaard, Buttner, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Hernandez, Welbeck.
Rafael
Ferdinand
Evans
Evra
Carrick
Cleverley
Scholes
Kagawa
Rooney
van Persie
SUBS: Lindegaard, Buttner, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Hernandez, Welbeck.
I only saw highlights of the Cluj game, but de Gea seemed to do next to nothing wrong. However, I reckon we'll see Lindegaard as Fergie will be in a mind-set of "Big Ba, Big Cisse, Big Ameobi etc". I want de Gea to be our no.1 though - Lindegaard will get chances to play soon after the international break against Chelsea in the League Cup and Braga in the Champions League (although I'd fancy him to start against Stoke even though it's at Old Trafford).
I didn't see what happened to Evans, but I'm hoping it's just precautionary as I haven't read anything anywhere about an injury (and there is a fair amount of recovery time at least).
Difficult to decide who starts this. I think we should be playing Rooney and van Persie again to give Newcastle some big problems defensively. I want us to have more of a solid three in midfield again, but I think with Valencia, Kagawa, and Rooney in front of a midfield two we should be OK. I'm also pretty sure Kagawa is set to start, the only question mark is Valencia. If he's not fit it would probably be Nani, but I'd rather just see Cleverley or Anderson chucked in and play something like this:
The only other players I can see being involved in the match day squad are Hernandez and Buttner, but we'll just have to see what Fergie goes for. Can't say I'm sure we'll win this, but we probably need to.
I didn't see what happened to Evans, but I'm hoping it's just precautionary as I haven't read anything anywhere about an injury (and there is a fair amount of recovery time at least).
Lindegaard
Rafael Ferdinand Evans Evra
Carrick Scholes
Valencia Kagawa Rooney
van Persie
--
de Gea; Wootton; Cleverley, Anderson, Giggs, Nani; Welbeck
Rafael Ferdinand Evans Evra
Carrick Scholes
Valencia Kagawa Rooney
van Persie
--
de Gea; Wootton; Cleverley, Anderson, Giggs, Nani; Welbeck
Difficult to decide who starts this. I think we should be playing Rooney and van Persie again to give Newcastle some big problems defensively. I want us to have more of a solid three in midfield again, but I think with Valencia, Kagawa, and Rooney in front of a midfield two we should be OK. I'm also pretty sure Kagawa is set to start, the only question mark is Valencia. If he's not fit it would probably be Nani, but I'd rather just see Cleverley or Anderson chucked in and play something like this:
Lindegaard
Rafael Ferdinand Evans Evra
Carrick Scholes
Cleverley
Kagawa Rooney
van Persie
Rafael Ferdinand Evans Evra
Carrick Scholes
Cleverley
Kagawa Rooney
van Persie
The only other players I can see being involved in the match day squad are Hernandez and Buttner, but we'll just have to see what Fergie goes for. Can't say I'm sure we'll win this, but we probably need to.
totally agree. though id put kagawa in for nani.......kagawa, rvp, cleverley, ando can all interchange and provide width.
rafa and evra / buttner also
DDG didn't exactly struggle against them in the League Cup. I don't see why we wouldn't play him in this really, he's the better of our two keepers. It seems Fergie is giving DDG cup games and Lindegaard league games though. Valencia will be back soon so I imagine he may play a part.
Christ. Not surprised that we lost that one, looking at that setup.
If we play Carrick and Scholes as a two in the middle then we are going to get drilled again..................................I think that Fergie is going to do it too.
---------------De Gea--------------
Rafa------Rio--------Evans-----Evra
---------------Carrick--------------
-------Fletcher-------Clev----------
-----Rooney-------------*****-----
-----------------RVP---------------
Newcastle will dominate the midfield and cause our back 4 all sorts of problems.
-----------Krul/Harper
Simpson Coloccini Taylor Santon
Ben Arfa Tiote Cabaye Ferguson
------------Ba Cisse
Krul and CBs still touch and go for this game though. Think Jonas will play ahead of Ferguson purely for work-rate/reliability too. We're playing like total shit at the moment, can't see anything other than a defeat unless we raise our game massively.
Hoofball and pressing the midfield like mentalists likely again if we want a chance.
Simpson Coloccini Taylor Santon
Ben Arfa Tiote Cabaye Ferguson
------------Ba Cisse
Krul and CBs still touch and go for this game though. Think Jonas will play ahead of Ferguson purely for work-rate/reliability too. We're playing like total shit at the moment, can't see anything other than a defeat unless we raise our game massively.
Hoofball and pressing the midfield like mentalists likely again if we want a chance.
Playing on the counter means defending deeper and not pressing till they are in our half and most on here dont like that.
Dave
Rafa
Evans
Rio
Büttner
Carrick
Fletcher
Ando/Clev
Kagawa
Rooney
Van Persie
That preferably, or drop Rooney deeper in place of one on the midfield three, put Nani on the right and Kagawa on the inside left.
Rafa
Evans
Rio
Büttner
Carrick
Fletcher
Ando/Clev
Kagawa
Rooney
Van Persie
That preferably, or drop Rooney deeper in place of one on the midfield three, put Nani on the right and Kagawa on the inside left.
DDG wont be picked for this game, and we arent in good enough form to beat a physical pressing team with good players a la Newcastle.
What I would play:
What I expect we'll play:
De Gea
Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Carrick
Scholes Cleverley
Kagawa
Persie Rooney
Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Carrick
Scholes Cleverley
Kagawa
Persie Rooney
What I expect we'll play:
Lindegaard
Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Carrick Scholes
Nani Rooney Kagawa
Persie
Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Carrick Scholes
Nani Rooney Kagawa
Persie
If Fletcher plays we will have a better chance.
We need mobility in the midfield for this one - I'd love to see Anderson/Cleverley start at least.
It's not often I say this but, Anderson must start, Cleverley too. Which leaves us with a 4-3-3/4-5-1. Either narrowly with Rooney and Kagawa off RvP or RvP alone flanked by Tony and, eerrr Nani.
I doubt we'll play an open attacking game. I expect a Carrick-Scholesy/Cleverley-Fletcher/Anderson CM. Wont be surprised if Van Persie is 'rested'. Rooney to lead the line with Nani and Valencia being the hardworking wide men.
Really, how many times we played Ando/Scholes, and more importantly how many times did it worked? It think we always got overrun. They don't go well together at all.
I somehow have a soft spot for the Geordies. 
The entire lot was dire against Pool, we almost always are. Carrick was no great shakes but as i said, he needs a proper partner. In any case, this is one of the main reason most of us wanted a CM, someone to give cover for Carrick. The situation now is that we have to play him regardless as long as Fletch isnt match fit as we have no one in the squad that can do the same job as him.
I think Kagawa and Rooney interchanging positions in a flexible system will serve us better.
Spurs shat it because they always do. Had Rooney's FK not hit the post, we'd have pumped in a couple more. Newcastle away wont be the same. Spurs also had a 2 goal cushion which enabled them to sit back so deep, unless we intend to give Newcastle a similar headstart, we wont have similar circumstances this weekend
I somehow have a soft spot for the Geordies.
So do I. It's my arsehole.
That's the one they had in mind.
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