North Korea

Not sure I can get my head around why we as a world should be playing sport with North Korea tbh.
 
MoBeats said:
Why not, we let the yanks do all sorts?
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Yeah, I mean, what could possibly go wrong when the Yanks go their own way in dealing with a country with a military reserve of 6million plus, a massive arsenal of chemical weapons and a unknown nuclear capability in one of the most densely populated and strategically important regions in the World???
 
They at it again.

I saw breaking news on phone and before even picking it up I just knew it was another missle.
 
What an incredibly bizarre country North Korea is, basically worshipping the ground some guy walks on because his Dad has magic spunk or something.

Anyway, back to Prince George's first week at school and debating where his new brother/sister could have been conceived.
 
Dobba said:
What an incredibly bizarre country North Korea is, basically worshipping the ground some guy walks on because his Dad has magic spunk or something.
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Can't really blame them, they are bred in order to just that.
 
Firing a missile over a country into the ocean. fecking hell. Kim says it's a message to the US that they're in range :wenger:
 
Is Kim fatty suicidal or what? Why he is doing these things? Imagine if something malfunctions and the rocket hits Japan. The consequences would be catastrophic and on best case scenario, Japan would immediately start developing their nukes (they probably have a lot of them stockpiled, anyway) which could have terrible consequences (and Japan can do it extremely fast).
 
I can only see this ending in war unfortunately. Kim is pushing everybody's buttons and pushing them around like a bully in a school yard. Eventually somebody is going to say enough is enough and press the nuke button.

What a tricky scenario though, SO many innocent people/countries will be effected by hitting N Korea.

China / Russia really need to put their foot down, for the sake of the whole world.
 
Question for caf experts......How far do you think Kim will be permitted to go before Donald intervenes militarily?
Surely that threshold is coming close?
 
Does anyone else think this is actually China testing the world? And not in a "we wan't to take it all over" way, but more about waiting until the very last minute to then step in and sort it looking even more like miss-understood heroes.
 
The Purley King said:
Question for caf experts......How far do you think Kim will be permitted to go before Donald intervenes militarily?
Surely that threshold is coming close?
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The threshold would obviously be if Kim does anything with the South or against US troops in Japan, Guam, or the like. Trump will retaliate massively imo.
 
The Purley King said:
Question for caf experts......How far do you think Kim will be permitted to go before Donald intervenes militarily?
Surely that threshold is coming close?
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I don't expect any military intervention. I'll tell you why I think that;

1. The Chinese quite like the idea of America and it's allies being threatened by N.Korea. It pre-occupies them from threatening China and it's wider interests in the region. The US has bases around China and is trying to reduce it's influence.

2. Any war would result in M.A.D for Korea (North and South) and Japan. Neither of three nations are keen on the idea, regardless of what any of them say. Millions would die in a very short timescale, especially since Kim has nuclear weapons. This makes the threshold for war a lot higher. Kim literally has to attack someone before war starts.

3. Kim has nuclear weapons and can reach American territories as well as regional bases. I don't think China and Russia would mind sacrificing Kim and North Koreans if it meant widespread destruction of American bases around the region. They'll happily see Kim fight a war to the last Korean. Also the fact that he could actually kill quite a lot of Americans would make the war very politically costly in the united states. After nuking Korea in revenge, people would ask whether it was really neccasary to play the part the US is playing in escalating upto the war, particularly if he hit cities on the US mainland, even a few of them.

I think the time for military intervention was before he weaponised his nuclear weapons and and missile program. The threat was lower but at the same time the risk was lower too.

I think the plan now should be a Chinese backed coup in N.Korea. To do the Americans will need to please the Chinese, possibly by pulling US bases out of areas China considers it's own. If China doesn't feel the US presence as a threat, it doesn't need a mad dog to guard it.
 
Zlatattack said:
I don't expect any military intervention. I'll tell you why I think that;

1. The Chinese quite like the idea of America and it's allies being threatened by N.Korea. It pre-occupies them from threatening China and it's wider interests in the region. The US has bases around China and is trying to reduce it's influence.

2. Any war would result in M.A.D for Korea (North and South) and Japan. Neither of three nations are keen on the idea, regardless of what any of them say. Millions would die in a very short timescale, especially since Kim has nuclear weapons. This makes the threshold for war a lot higher. Kim literally has to attack someone before war starts.

3. Kim has nuclear weapons and can reach American territories as well as regional bases. I don't think China and Russia would mind sacrificing Kim and North Koreans if it meant widespread destruction of American bases around the region. They'll happily see Kim fight a war to the last Korean. Also the fact that he could actually kill quite a lot of Americans would make the war very politically costly in the united states. After nuking Korea in revenge, people would ask whether it was really neccasary to play the part the US is playing in escalating upto the war, particularly if he hit cities on the US mainland, even a few of them.

I think the time for military intervention was before he weaponised his nuclear weapons and and missile program. The threat was lower but at the same time the risk was lower too.

I think the plan now should be a Chinese backed coup in N.Korea. To do the Americans will need to please the Chinese, possibly by pulling US bases out of areas China considers it's own. If China doesn't feel the US presence as a threat, it doesn't need a mad dog to guard it.
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Yeah, this seems about right. China are clearly using NK as their buffer, we all know that, but also I think they have designs on letting this go as far as it can to the brink before sorting the situation out and looking brilliant around the world for it.

An American presence in that region is a perceived threat to everyone, so ideally the best thing would be to pull back. But since they won't, China seem to be playing a risky but potentially rewarding game with NK as their pawns.
 
Redlambs said:
Yeah, this seems about right. China are clearly using NK as their buffer, we all know that, but also I think they have designs on letting this go as far as it can to the brink before sorting the situation out and looking brilliant around the world for it.

An American presence in that region is a perceived threat to everyone, so ideally the best thing would be to pull back. But since they won't, China seem to be playing a risky but potentially rewarding game with NK as their pawns.
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it's incredible how worthless human life is.
 
Infra-red said:
There is no military solution. The US are completely impotent here.
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well there are military solutions - but they have pretty dire consequences probably.

plus getting russia and china onside is going to be a big task... I mean one of his previous tests landed in the sea about 20 miles off russian territory and they didnt threaten war etc so its hard to imagine them authorising the use of force eg through the UN - and ultimatley I dont see russia and china allowing the usa to deploy troops on their borders - or at least not without having extracted a hefty political buy off first
 
sun_tzu said:
well there are military solutions - but they have pretty dire consequences probably.

plus getting russia and china onside is going to be a big task... I mean one of his previous tests landed in the sea about 20 miles off russian territory and they didnt threaten war etc so its hard to imagine them authorising the use of force eg through the UN - and ultimatley I dont see russia and china allowing the usa to deploy troops on their borders - or at least not without having extracted a hefty political buy off first
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The certain obliteration of millions of people is a dire enough consequence to rule out the military option in any scenario aside from Kim launching a premptive attack on the South/US/Japan (which I don't believe he'll do).

There's obviously no guarantee that once the North has developed the capability to splash a nuke down on any US city, they'll suddenly become a benign entity. However, I can imagine that they might at that point feel sufficiently secure to come in from the cold and join the negotiating table, safe in the knowledge that the US will have no choice but to treat them as a major player. I assume that's their ultimate goal here.
 
Infra-red said:
The certain obliteration of millions of people is a dire enough consequence to rule out the military option in any scenario aside from Kim launching a premptive attack on the South/US/Japan (which I don't believe he'll do).
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Yes but remember - as it stands those millions of people are not american voters as it does not seem he has a nuke ready ICBM (Yet)- so honestly I rule nothing out entirely with trump.
 
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