North Korea

Raoul said:
I'd imagine a coup is imminent, especially with the recent spate of high level executions. If Kim loses the military elite because they fear they could be next, someone will probably take action soon.
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Is a full on coup even possible in North Korea? There will be plenty of loyalists left so someone going around recruiting people for a revolution might not be the best idea. An assassination similar to the one of Park Chung-hee seems more likely in such a closed environment.
 
Silva said:
Is a full on coup even possible in North Korea? There will be plenty of loyalists left so someone going around recruiting people for a revolution might not be the best idea. An assassination similar to the one of Park Chung-hee seems more likely in such a closed environment.
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Its certainly possible if a powerful group of high level officers pull it off correctly. They would obviously have to murder Kim as opposed to just arrest him, to convince the public the Dynasty is over and new leadership is in charge.
 
Silva said:
Is a full on coup even possible in North Korea? There will be plenty of loyalists left so someone going around recruiting people for a revolution might not be the best idea. An assassination similar to the one of Park Chung-hee seems more likely in such a closed environment.
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there have already been failed attempts of coup d'etat in north korea, albeit on a smaller scale.

that said, there are probably already a vast number of top ranking people who know that kim's regime is bullshit (who are either working for him because they're afraid or don't want to lose their lavish lifestyle/family), and if enough heads turn in the future a coup is possible.
 
JustAFan said:
All it would take is a small group off officers who can Act quickly to take out the leader, then if those below them just follow orders coup is successful.
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What is required for a coup to be successful is not to kill the current fatty in charge, but also to make it synchronized with the assassination of all other members of the Kim bloodline. No one from that bloodline must be allowed to live; that's how sad the reality is. The odd thing is that I was watching that late epic scene from "The Godfather" when I thought about synchronized assassinations, so you can see what I mean.
 
Kakeru said:
What is required for a coup to be successful is not to kill the current fatty in charge, but also to make it synchronized with the assassination of all other members of the Kim bloodline. No one from that bloodline must be allowed to live; that's how sad the reality is. The odd thing is that I was watching that late epic scene from "The Godfather" when I thought about synchronized assassinations, so you can see what I mean.
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Or kill Kim, while grabbing control of the media and spreading the word that Kim's relatives were behind the murder. Control the message then arrest the relatives
 
Kakeru said:
What is required for a coup to be successful is not to kill the current fatty in charge, but also to make it synchronized with the assassination of all other members of the Kim bloodline. No one from that bloodline must be allowed to live; that's how sad the reality is. The odd thing is that I was watching that late epic scene from "The Godfather" when I thought about synchronized assassinations, so you can see what I mean.
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It's scary to think that for a N. Korean, referring to Kim as 'the current fatty' would result in execution and the obliteration of your family.
 
Penna said:
It's scary to think that for a N. Korean, referring to Kim as 'the current fatty' would result in execution and the obliteration of your family.
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the average n.korean doesn't even know what a fat person looks like besides the kim family.
 
JustAFan said:
Or kill Kim, while grabbing control of the media and spreading the word that Kim's relatives were behind the murder. Control the message then arrest the relatives
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:nono: Just explain that Kim wasn't the son of Kim Jong-Il because his mother was knocked up by her twin brother.
 
North Korean Scientist Defects; Will Testify On Human Experimentation

A North Korean biochemical weapons researcher absconded to Finland last month, taking with him a data storage device containing details of human experiments, a source told Yonhap News Agency this week (July 2).

The 47-year-old expert, known only as Lee, was a researcher at a microbiology research facility in Ganggye, Chagang Province.

A source from a North Korean human rights group told Yonhap News Agency: "[Lee’s] …ostensible reason for defection is that he felt skeptical about his research."

Lee fled to the European country on June 6 via the Philippines. He took a data storage device with him, containing 15 gigabytes of data and information on the inhumane experiments conducted in North Korea.

The North Korean researcher will give testimony and present his evidence to the European Parliament later this month.

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When will someone assassinate this fat farqer? I hope someone stages an uprising and he's dragged/paraded around.
 
Donald trump saying that south korea will have to pay to be defended...
(They shouldn't charge him so much for TV's it seems)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...ongun-is-either-mad-or-a-genius-10467861.html
I have to say though if we are living in a world where the likes of Kim, Trump and Corbyn could be the leaders of three of the worlds nuclear powers (though possibly two by the time corbyn has finished) then frankly there is little hope for us all.
A major shift in US willingness to defend SK though would present a strange situation where conceivably NK would try and roll the tanks through the DMZ... perhaps unlikely but with Kim do we honestly have a clue? (lets hope Kim gets ousted, and Trump never becomes commander in chief and we don't have to find out).
 
Who knows. His plan could be to just wack all the hard-liners and then replace them with moderates.

Isn't this the kid that loved disney land and movies growing up? Hardly even lived in N.K? It wouldn't shock me at all, if on one hand he continues to do these silly shows of force to keep his hard liners in check, and at the same times continues to knock them all off while he keeps enough support to stay beyond reproach through his silly shows of force.
 
so that's the usual business then.

n.korea throws tantrum -> talks -> nothing significant happens -> couple years later n. korea throws another tantrum -> talks -> nothing significant happens -> couple years later... and so on and so forth.

the vicious cycle continues.
 
barros said:
I was kidding but anything will be better than what they have now but don't worry they have their good Chinese friends to make sure they stay miserable.
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I doubt it plenty of rural labour already in china clamouring to get into the factories and NK will not be a cheep problem to solve- Samsung, LG, Hynudai, Daewoo and Kia are probably rubbing their hands at the cheep labour pool they can exploit though I imagine they will prefer a phrase like spreading the wealth to their Korean brothers and sisters.
 
Most places are now calling it a seismic event rather than an earthquake.

Yup, it's (apparently) a H-bomb detonation.
 
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Tommy said:
Most places are now calling it a seismic event rather than an earthquake.

Yup, it's a H-bomb detonation.
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They'll claim it's a hydrogen bomb, but that requires an effective fission bomb first to initiate the reaction. So far, their fission bombs have been relatively weak (all less than Little Boy and Fat Man and the Trinity test). The scale of this is basically the same as the test in 2013, which had no nuclear signature and may have been faked with conventional explosives. If it's a thermonuclear bomb (hydrogen bomb), the yield should have been substantially higher than their previous bombs. Maybe the fusion failed and it was just the fission that went off, resulting in a similar yield.

The first thermonuclear detonation, which didn't have full-on fusion, had a yield of 225 kt. The first actual hydrogen bomb yielded 10+ Mt. India have detonated a much smaller thermonuclear device at 45 kt (supposedly but more than likely a boosted reaction not fusion), but that's still much larger than the on in NK. Pakistan doesn't seem to have conducted any thermonuclear tests, only boosted bombs. So for North Korea to have achieved an actual hydrogen bomb, they would need to have done it on their own beyond what Bhutto/A.Q. Khan sold them.
 
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I meant to add an apparently to my edit, but yeah :D
 
:lol: No worries. Proliferation is an interest of mine so I've read a lot about them.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/un-diplomat-un-working-tougher-sanctions-north-korea-173414677.html

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — North Korea's U.N. mission claimed Wednesday that its successful nuclear bomb test showed that it could now "wipe out" the United States, as the U.N. Security Council grappled with a response to the underground blast.

North Korea called it a hydrogen bomb and said the test "scientifically proved the power of the smaller H-bomb," though the United States and others expressed skepticism that Pyongyang actually tested a hydrogen bomb for the first time. Nonetheless, whatever the North detonated underground will likely push the country closer toward a fully functional nuclear arsenal, which it still is not thought to have.

A Security Council diplomat said Wednesday that the U.N.'s most powerful body is working on a resolution that imposes tougher sanctions on North Korea to reflect the claim that it tested a more powerful hydrogen bomb, which is "a step change" from its three previous atomic test.

The diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity because consultations have been private, said all 15 council members agree that North Korea should be denuclearized, and this will be reflected in a new resolution.

North Korea's U.N. mission circulated a report from the country's news agency saying the Jan. 6 test wasn't to "threaten" or "provoke" anyone but was indispensable to build a nuclear force "to cope with the U.S. ever-more undisguised hostile policy" toward the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the country's official name.

It said North Korean scientists and technicians "are in high spirit to detonate H-bombs ... capable of wiping out the whole territory of the U.S. all at once as it persistently moves to stifle the DPRK."

Former Los Alamos National Laboratory director Siegfried Hecker, one of the world's top experts on North Korea's nuclear program, said last week he did not believe it tested "a real hydrogen bomb," and that "North Korea is still a long way off from being able to strike the U.S. mainland."

But Hecker, who has visited the North seven times since 2004, said in an interview with Stanford University's Center for International Security and Cooperation, that the most worrisome result of the test is that North Korea "will have achieved greater sophistication in their bomb design." He added that "at this point, what makes their nuclear arsenal more dangerous is not so much explosive power of the bomb, but its size, weight and the ability to deliver it with missiles."

There was no immediate response to a request for comment from the U.S. mission to the United Nations.

The Security Council last approved sanctions against North Korea three weeks after its third nuclear test on Feb. 12, 2013. That resolution was largely negotiated by the United States and China, North Korea's traditional ally.

South Korea's President Park Geun-hye called Wednesday for Chinese help to launch what she calls the "strongest" international sanctions on North Korea over the nuclear test.

The council diplomat said the United States, which is leading the current negotiations, is consulting closely with China but also with other council members, including Japan.

The diplomat said a new resolution isn't expected immediately, likely not in less than three weeks.
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Sir Matt said:
http://news.yahoo.com/un-diplomat-un-working-tougher-sanctions-north-korea-173414677.html



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This is getting serious...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35515207

missile technology.

The country had notified UN agencies in advance that it intended to put an earth observation satellite into orbit.

It appears the rocket was fired from a base in the north-west and passed over Japan's southern Okinawa islands.

The launch was condemned by Japan and the US, amid fears the North is developing nuclear weapons capable of reaching the US mainland.

The US, Japan and South Korea have requested an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council later on Sunday.
 
Missile test was deliberately timed to coincide with Lunar New Year as a feck you to China and the Chinese people (which, by the way, gong xi fa cai to anybody celebrating it).

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/w...n-response-to-north-koreas-boldness.html?_r=0

Most interesting of all was this response from the general Chinese public:

NYT said:
In a poll on Weibo conducted Friday and Saturday, two-thirds of the 8,000 respondents said they supported a strike by the United States to destroy North Korea’s nuclear weapons program. Eighteen percent of those interviewed said they were against such a strike, and 16 percent said they were neutral.
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KJU is living viva perilissimo. Once Xi Jinping is gone from the scene, and Chinese leaders from the post-Cold War generation take his place, his regime is fecked.
 
Winrar said:
so that's the usual business then.

n.korea throws tantrum -> talks -> nothing significant happens -> couple years later n. korea throws another tantrum -> talks -> nothing significant happens -> couple years later... and so on and so forth.

the vicious cycle continues.
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and so we arrive to this. except it took way shorter than couple years for north korea to beg for international attention again. maybe I should replace "talks" with "threats that amount to nothing".

anyone sending aid to north korea should see this incident to see where their hard earned money is going (if they haven't already from their past tests). what a waste.

china wants to keep the north korean regime alive for as long as they can so they can leech off their natural resources and keep it as a buffer to united states infleunce. more importantly latter is tricky to just overlook and dismiss as selfish because they have prior experience of their country being ruined by foreign pressure (specifically qing dynasty). "old allies" is just a convenient excuse, and is no good reason to keep their relations with north korea as the it's practically sanctioned up their ass and seen as public enemy #1 against majority of developed countries (well, probably behind ISIL for #1 but that's not really saying anything). it's difficult but we have to convince china to look at long term alternatives and benefits that come with assuming bolstered relations with unified korea rather than short term buffer in a feeble attempt to keep united states away. it might have to take some deal with requesting US to witdraw their troops from korean peninsula if korean reunification is achieved.

@naturalized china is getting a lot of stick back from korean people in general for their lukewarm response to recent incidents that they should be taking more seriously. I'm glad that a lot of the general chinese population aren't dismissing this incident as easily as the higher ups and that they're frustrated with their recalcitrant ally. if that's the general opinion of younger chinese, then like you said when their generation gains control north korea are goners. and hopefully by then north korea have collapsed on their own already.

as for north korea itself, they're toast anyways and this incident doesn't really do anything to help their status in the world. their fate has been a foregone conclusion since their famine in the mid 90s. their regime will collapse, just a matter of when and how.
 
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