We've several people here that don't understand the difference between number of shots faced and percentage of shots saved, their minds will go blank at the concept of Expected goals prevented.
Onana is a good keeper, not as good as we would like but certainly not shit either. A better one would be nice but if that required significant finance then the money would be better spent elsewhere, in the near term at least.
DDG also faced significantly less shots.If you want to compare purely pased on stats, DDG was 1st in clean sheet last season. Even last season's de gea was nowhere near as horrific and to watch as onana.
Yea, and hence why onana concedes significantly more goals too. 84 and counting for the season. Well done. Pity we won't hit the 100 mark, or will we??DDG also faced significantly less shots.
Learn how to interpret stats before trying to use them to back your arguments.
We shouldn’t spent money on a new keeper. Onana hasn’t been great, but not bad either all things considered, and other positions are much more important to upgrade. Also, another season in, hopefully, a much better and more coherent and balanced team will give us a much better impression of what he’s actually about.
But IF we were to sign another I have to repeat: Mads Hermansen has everything - great shot stopping, great feet, clever and young. He could very well be one of the best in the Prem next season.
Move on and support De Gea, you’re clearly not a fan of the club.Yea, and hence why onana concedes significantly more goals too. 84 and counting for the season. Well done. Pity we won't hit the 100 mark, or will we??
My issue with him is across the season there are many simple saves which he doesn't make. DDG's last season wasn't remotely as bad.
To be fair, that is not a stat. It is someone's subjective opinion on mistakes.Onana makes more is what you want to tell me? Yes I agree and realize that, good shot stopper? I disagree he is a very average shot stopper. The stats also tell us that he has only one mistake leading to goal in the PL while we all remember him making much more than that. He should be improved if we are to be a serious football team, that is of course along the defense.
Maybe he will if his hero ever gets a new job. Remarkable isn't it, such a supposedly brilliant goalkeeper wanted by absolutely nobody. You'd think 18 months down the line of being available to speak to clubs for nothing that the penny would have dropped by now.Move on and support De Gea, you’re clearly not a fan of the club.
In what way is the thread a sham?We don't need any more keepers. This thread is a sham.
In the shambolic way.In what way is the thread a sham?
"Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper."In what way is the thread a sham?
De Gea’s first season is wildly exaggerated, he let in two soft long range goals in his first 2 games (one vs City in the Shield and 1 from Shane Long in season opener), and were rotated a bit with Lindegaard, but from late Dec onward when the latter had a disastrous game vs Reading (3 goals in the 1st half) he cemented his place and was solid to spectacular the rest of the season (including that save vs Mata free kick in the 3-3 comeback away at the Bridge). The next season he made the PFA team of the year.Too early to say he hasnt worked out. Infact its crazy.
De Gea didnt start off well and went on to be our first choice keeper for over a decade.
The team on a whole have under performed this year, a keeper is nothing without a solid back 4 - which has been our worst area this season.
Give him another year with a consistant back line and re-evalute next summer.
You were camping in the DDG thread last year, can you offer your GK expertise of over analyzing every facet of Onana’s game?Maybe he will if his hero ever gets a new job. Remarkable isn't it, such a supposedly brilliant goalkeeper wanted by absolutely nobody. You'd think 18 months down the line of being available to speak to clubs for nothing that the penny would have dropped by now.
I didn’t even bother to check our defensive stats, glad someone did and it does indeed prove than stats are often misleading.To be fair, that is not a stat. It is someone's subjective opinion on mistakes.
Not sure I buy the Onana has outperformed the stats when it comes to goals prevented. Looks the case, he has a +3xGA, but at the same time we as a team have outperformed that stat massively too, by almost 15 goals. My feeling is that the reason why he is outperforming his xGA is not cause he is an amazing shot-stopper (anyone who watches him knows it is laughable to say so), but because we have faced a shitload of low-quality shots that are accumulated in this stat.
So, similar as I would have said that we do not have an amazing defense for outperforming xGA by 15, I would say that Onana is also not an amazing shot-stopper for outperforming his xGA by 3 goals.
"Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper."
They’re also completely ignoring the context that we basically have a different backline every 2-3 games due to injuries.Too early to say he hasnt worked out. Infact its crazy.
De Gea didnt start off well and went on to be our first choice keeper for over a decade.
The team on a whole have under performed this year, a keeper is nothing without a solid back 4 - which has been our worst area this season.
Give him another year with a consistant back line and re-evalute next summer.
Yeah because I was stood behind the bloke every week and he wound me up by not doing absolute basics of goalkeeping that people are taught to do as 7 year olds. And this isn't new stuff either, we're talking basic fundamentals that have been part of playing the position for 20+ years. I'm generally pretty positive towards United players and look for the best in them, but when you're the highest paid goalkeeper in the world and are that bad at 75% of your job, it's a massive problem and likely why nobody wants him even now.You were camping in the DDG thread last year, can you offer your GK expertise of over analyzing every facet of Onana’s game?
If Ortega wants to leave City in the summer to get more game time, we should go all in. I'd love Martinez even more - I know some people think he's a c*nt, but he'd be our c*nt
De gea was about five years younger and less experienced, no? It's apples and oranges.Too early to say he hasnt worked out. Infact its crazy.
De Gea didnt start off well and went on to be our first choice keeper for over a decade.
The team on a whole have under performed this year, a keeper is nothing without a solid back 4 - which has been our worst area this season.
Give him another year with a consistant back line and re-evalute next summer.
De gea was about five years younger and less experienced, no? It's apples and oranges.
It certainly should be. Hanging on to players / managers who clearly aren't good enough is why we are where we are.Whether worked out or not, is that what the fanbase is about now ditching players after their first season in the PL?
Onana when he was the same age as De GeaIs it ? Or is apples and oranges a title winning defence and this defence ?
That's a factor in how he's performed, of course, but my point is that the comparison of an extremely young goalkeeper in his first season at a new club with an established keeper in what should be his prime in his first season at a new club are VERY different prospects.Is it ? Or is apples and oranges a title winning defence and this defence ?
Onana when he was the same age as De Gea
Onana when he was the same age as De Gea
Cheers for that , I have absolutely no idea how it is relevant to anything I mentioned .
Im sure you're aware that I can't respond in kind with an irrelevant clip of my own, but if I Could , Would a montage of the highest paid keeper in the world in his ' peak years '
Making blooper after blooper after blooper for this actual club be more relevant ?
It certainly should be. Hanging on to players / managers who clearly aren't good enough is why we are where we are.
These are NOT pretty viewing. Yeesh.
Relax, it was just to show the mistakes he made when he was young and less experienced. The obvious difference is he should be established now rather than still improving.Too funny but where is the one with him making saves or doesnt that exist?
SAF ditching Taibi after a few games. So it's all good. We're a bit better than SAF.Whether worked out or not, is that what the fanbase is about now ditching players after their first season in the PL?
