If only everyone was in agreement on that. Making life hard for your own players does no good to anyone.
Our lad Ronaldo
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If only everyone was in agreement on that. Making life hard for your own players does no good to anyone.
Ronaldo has not gone anywhere near that limit. In fact, what he's doing now for our club would make most football fans happy. He went through surgery and worked his socks off to get back in the team quickly. He works as hard as he always did. He seemed unhappy when he got substituted, probably out of frustration because he felt he didn't live up to his own high standards. Is this anything like devouring SAF's intestines?
But because of what happened in the summer, you just can't let it go. I don't understand why you expect him to be as big a United fan as you are. And because he isn't, you'll never be able to properly intepret any of his actions or words. Anything less than undying love for the club is too little for you. Any desire to play for another club during the height of his career is mutiny or treason. Why? Because you're a huge Manchester United fan, while he is not. He's a Real Madrid fan (probably, presumably), who gives his all for us when he pulls on the red shirt. If that's not good enough for you, nothing he does ever will anyway.
What a load of garbage. United supporters aren't forcing him anywhere, certainly not creating any 'self-fulfilling prophecy'
He IS going to Madrid at some point. And if he has his way, it'll be next summer. No amount of bullshit about how if we sing Viva Ronaldo, he might stay, will wash. We bellowed Viva Ronaldo out all last season, a single United player has probably never recieved such adulation beyond his other team members. And what did Ronaldo decide he wanted the following summer...
The author points out that the reactions of Utd fans over the Ronaldo-summer are irrational - too true.
The only 'crime' ever successfully laid at his door was a mid-late summer desire to leave if Utd were happy with the deal.
He's a professional footballer ffs.
The next point he makes is that making him feel unwanted - as many 'fans' are only to eager to do - will only reduce the chance of Utd keeping him.
Brad, ripper, Mombi et al have convinced themselves he's leaving next summer - so they treat him with ill-disguised contempt - they are, indeed, involved in what could be a 'self-fulfilling prophecy' ...
They are convinced he's going - and will do as much as they can, without looking even more c*ntish than they are, in order to ensure it happens.
Great 'fans' !!!
They seem to reckon they are being so supportive by not booing him - I wonder what SAF would say if they suggested such an idea to him?...
In fact I don't need to wonder too much - one prolonged hairdryer of a harangue about just who they thought they were - what kind of fans - and just how stupid etc.
The only 'crime' ever successfully laid at his door was a mid-late summer desire to leave if Utd were happy with the deal.
He's a professional footballer ffs.
The next point he makes is that making him feel unwanted - as many 'fans' are only to eager to do - will only reduce the chance of Utd keeping him.
Brad, ripper, Mombi et al have convinced themselves he's leaving next summer - so they treat him with ill-disguised contempt - they are, indeed, involved in what could be a 'self-fulfilling prophecy' ...
They are convinced he's going - and will do as much as they can, without looking even more c*ntish than they are, in order to ensure it happens.
Great 'fans' !!!
They seem to reckon they are being so supportive by not booing him - I wonder what SAF would say if they suggested such an idea to him?...
In fact I don't need to wonder too much - one prolonged hairdryer of a harangue about just who they thought they were - what kind of fans - and just how stupid etc.
No one agrees with you FS, haven't you realised that yet?
Actually Brad - loads do - you're a bunch of self-indulgent pillocks.
Lovely
I suppose you'll soon argue how you didn't actually call us a bunch of self indulgent pillocks, rather we convinced ourselves that you said that, whilst in fact you said something else entirely...
Of course I did, you selfish prat!
I've posted several times that you and your ilk (that's a group of 2008 Ronaldo persecutors) are putting your own need to feel aggrieved at Ronaldo being a pro as opposed to a fan ahead of the good of the club.
Selfish, stupid, pillock-like and c&ntish.
Sums you up admirably - although more insults are probably justified in certain cases.
No-one's making Ronaldo's life hard though, are they?
He still gets the biggest cheer when his name comes on the tannoy, he received that outrageous welcome against Villareal upon merely existing, and there has been no booing or jeering whatsoever.
This is hardly malicious...
My ilk eh
Like it or not, I simply put my club above the importance of any one particular player. As do many United supporters
And I don't understand this requirement that we give Ronaldo some God like praise, because if we don't he might leave, and if we don't he won't play as well. It's utter garbage. The way the supporters are acting - and if so many folk agree with you, where is Viva Ronaldo this season so far? - is entirely the fault of Cristiano. And it's testament to United supporters that we aren't small time like fans of certain other clubs, and boo our own player. Rather we just don't chant about him. If he didn't want to stay when we gave him all the support and love he could ever wish for, I don't see how not doing will alter that situation
I'd be careful mate
You might get brandished by his Lord almight as being in my 'ilk'
No booing or jeering simply because even the pillocks realise that's a step too far.
How can we best act for the good of Utd here?
By getting behind our players - all of them - to the best of our abilities. That's pretty uncontroversial surely?
People who have been reluctant to do so should put the IMAGINED sleights of the summer behind them and give Ronaldo as much support as they can manage (like for other players).
They can still feel non-hypocritical about doing so as long as they consider only the small ACTUAL sleight of which he was guilty. Only their imagined, more serious charges prevent them from behaving as becomes our great, enduring club.
I repeat...
How can we best act for the good of Utd here?
By getting behind our players - all of them - to the best of our abilities. That's pretty uncontroversial surely?
People who have been reluctant to do so should put the IMAGINED sleights of the summer behind them and give Ronaldo as much support as they can manage (like for other players).
They can still feel non-hypocritical about doing so as long as they consider only the small ACTUAL sleight of which he was guilty. Only their imagined, more serious charges prevent them from behaving as becomes our great, enduring club.
You are putting your own need to express your deluded bias ahead of the good of a club you profess to love - poor, very poor.
I can't disagree with that, actually. But it's difficult to be logical when supporting a club. Heart almost always rules over head.
The only noticeable difference in attitude towards Ronaldo from the crowd is the lack of "Viva Ronaldo". He's always encouraged when he gets the ball, and there's been nothing but ridiculous amounts of adulation whenever he scores or whenever his name is read out.
If he needs a chant to kick him up the arse, what sort of player are we dealing with? I've not heard one crowd chant directed at Patrice Evra throughout all his time here, yet right there is a man who appreciates what it means to play for United, despite growing up overseas.
In regards to that bit in bold, that hasn't happened at Old Trafford for years anyway.
I can see the basic point, but as mentioned some time back, we have to look at this in comparison to the expectations built up by previous crowd behaviour.
Ronaldo cannot fail to notice the difference. Brad and his cohorts would seem to be only too pleased for Ronaldo to be unhappy with his reception - I, and the author of the recently quoted article, reckon this is a foolish attitude on the part of such 'fans'. I strongly suspect SAF would say a much stronger version of the same.
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We all might like to cast our mind back to Brad's (and others') insistence that everyone who greeted Ronaldo's return so enthusiastically were just fanboys/JCL's or whatever. A number of us suggested that a major contributing factor was the state of the game and our form at that part of the season. Brad et al insisted it was to do with the type of crowd. Why, we might wonder, is the crowd so massively different now?
Ronaldo still gets a decent hand - but he's not entering as a potential saviour. Unless OT have suddenly worked out a new selective ticket allocation system that seems to be the main difference.
If he dosent extend his contract before the end of this season (highly unlikely thugh) he would be sold next summer else he can buy out his contract and walk out on a dole.
Really a no brainer here...No need for convincing anyone.
I hope we sell him in the summer and rinse Madrid. FS, save your garbage. I'm not one to get drawn into long arguments.
So we can all agree that to fix this problem he needs to stop scoring?
Too late.
No, what supporters are doing is getting fully behind their club, chanting the name of other players and other team songs, rather than chanting specific Ronaldo songs. It doesn't matter how many times you say we 'imagined' it this summer. I'm afraid when you treat your own club and its supporters with contempt, they're not going to hold you in as high a regard. And that's precisely what has happened
I personal think it's great to see supporters standing up for what they believe in, and doing it in a way that isn't unconstructive. I think it says everything about Ronaldo has 'Ronaldo FC' supporters that they get so precious about supporters not chanting his name. It's not a bloody obligation, and other players who wear the colours with the same if not more pride week in week out manage to play to their best without the God like adulation Ronaldo once recieved. If this affects his game, what kind of a player and a person is he?
Just wait until his mate Heinze comes back to OT in the European cup. Then he'll see what it is to play in front of a hostile crowd...
And the display of Brad et al is helping to convince him to consolidate Utd's contract position????
As you say...
'Really a no brainer here'.
SAF - if people remember - was talking about hoping to extend Ronaldo's contract when awaiting his return from injury.
Another self-obsessed 'fan' who places his own emotions above the good of the club.
That's not so much an argument as an irrefutable fact.
Hehehehehe
we're just a few lost souls stuck in the same thread, week after week.
I love how you put fan in quotation marks, considering I spend almost all of my money on going to see United as much as I can and sing my heart out for 90 minutes getting behind the team.
we should only sell him if we get a great price AND if we have someone in mind already to replace him who we KNOW can step in and do a job and actually get him in before anyones sold
Or maybe some wanna do a 'spurs'?..
It's a two way street. We're in the season now. No more fannying about. The day Ronaldo stops trying on the pitch question him but since he's come back he's been fine, put in an effort.
He's a complex boy, a little foolish and rightly let's not put personal pride above reality.
Also it is not a given this is his last season here. It never was. It MIGHT BE if we decide to sell him, if we have someone lined up. However it might not be, it's all very confusing. We've more important things to worry about
Or maybe some wanna do a 'spurs'?..
It's a two way street. We're in the season now. No more fannying about. The day Ronaldo stops trying on the pitch question him but since he's come back he's been fine, put in an effort.
He's a complex boy, a little foolish and rightly let's not put personal pride above reality.
Also it is not a given this is his last season here. It never was. It MIGHT BE if we decide to sell him, if we have someone lined up. However it might not be, it's all very confusing. We've more important things to worry about
He's one player ffs. We've got a great team with some incredible players, how the feck can you compare it to Spurs?
It was a point that this 'one player' happens to be the best fecking player on the planet...........
you make it sound like we get 100m and we're quids in...it ain't that simple is it?
you don't cut your nose off to spite your face. it's an old saying but one that's actually true
Spurs sell two players keane and berbatov and that's two players and look at the effect it's had on them. Look at our results since Ronaldos return etc...
We do have a great team BUT we have to replace roony with a VERY good player and one that ticks all the boxes
you make it sound like we get 100m and we're quids in...it ain't that simple is it?
you don't cut your nose off to spite your face. it's an old saying but one that's actually true
Spurs sell two players keane and berbatov and that's two players and look at the effect it's had on them. Look at our results since Ronaldos return etc...
We do have a great team BUT we have to replace roony with a VERY good player and one that ticks all the boxes
Spoonafreud?
Actually Ronaldo never treated either the fans or the club with contempt - that's something you and the media imagined.
When asked to come up with a detailed list of what he had done that was actually 'wrong' as opposed to something you 'disliked', what was your total list?
1 He eventually wanted to leave (except he insisted Utd had to give the OK - because they'd be happy about what they got in return). [That's my added context btw - you'd never be that fair.]
2 He might have been naive in some things he said.
If that's a decent reason to give him a hard time, then you're a premiership footballer (who still thinks like a fan).
As I have suggested - try guessing how SAF would react to your stance.
I repeat:
You are putting your own need to express your deluded bias ahead of the good of a club you profess to love - poor, very poor.
It is, if he doesn't want to play for United. We'll find out in a few weeks whether he's simply lacking fitness or he's just sulking.
Yeah man.
Only, it appears, because it satisfies your emotional needs - when they conflict with the club's best interests then you choose your own selfish caprices.
he has a history of being a moody cnut though. Again one time he scored and you'd think someone shat in his dinner. His expression was out of place
It was like berbatov scoring his first and not celebrating and then saying he was angry at himself
For me he's lacking something but not effort and sulking isn't an option because he's making a viable effort. He's not doing anything different. They have the stats too on what you run so if he wasn't pulling his weight, he'd be out of the team
I don't think we got anything to worry about