Our lad Ronaldo

Striker10 said:
It was a point that this 'one player' happens to be the best fecking player on the planet...........

you make it sound like we get 100m and we're quids in...it ain't that simple is it?

you don't cut your nose off to spite your face. it's an old saying but one that's actually true

Spurs sell two players keane and berbatov and that's two players and look at the effect it's had on them. Look at our results since Ronaldos return etc...

We do have a great team BUT we have to replace roony with a VERY good player and one that ticks all the boxes
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Teams get over losing their best players Striker

Remember Cantona retiring? What a player he was. How different might things have been without him as a catalyst during the 90's. He retired in 97. We were all gutted. Yet what did we achieve, just a couple of seasons later?

I'm more than happy for Ronaldo, during the time he's still with us, to put in great performances and help us achieve things. But I'm not going to chant his name, because I don't think he deserves my adulation. I won't be silent instead, rather I'll get behind the team as a whole. What's the problem?
 
Brad said:
I personal think it's great to see supporters standing up for what they believe in, and doing it in a way that isn't unconstructive. I think it says everything about Ronaldo has 'Ronaldo FC' supporters that they get so precious about supporters not chanting his name. It's not a bloody obligation, and other players who wear the colours with the same if not more pride week in week out manage to play to their best without the God like adulation Ronaldo once recieved. If this affects his game, what kind of a player and a person is he?
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Actually, it's simply about the way you ...
'put[] your own need to express your deluded bias ahead of the good of a club you profess to love'.

It's so much worse because the only reason you have to really dislike Ronaldo that strongly is because you insisted on colouring all interpretations of this summer's events though a deranged set of personal emotions. When faced with objective, quantitative evidence you simply deny it.


You can't come up with anything 'bad' that he did.

You can only accuse him of inconsistency by clinging to one controversial interpretation of one interview (your own version of course) as opposed to recognising that his remarks do not necessarily mean what you think they did.

You are drowning in an Egyptian river.
 
Even Ronaldo's biggest fanboys can surely see that he took the piss out of the club in the summer :confused:

Some of us care more about how players treat the club and the fans than our success on the pitch.

Hehe what FS doesn't know is that next time he replies, I'll be greeted with: This message is hidden because Feedingseagulls is on your ignore list. Hehehehehe
 
Lizard King said:
Even Ronaldo's biggest fanboys can surely see that he took the piss out of the club in the summer :confused:

Some of us care more about how players treat the club and the fans than our success on the pitch.

Hehe what FS doesn't know is that next time he replies, I'll be greeted with: This message is hidden because Feedingseagulls is on your ignore list. Hehehehehe
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What LZ is forgetting is that a reply with quote reveals the white text...


Ronaldo eventually decided he would be happy to leave IF Utd were happy to let him go - that's not 'taking the piss' tbh.

Later, when he realised we still wanted him to stay - he stayed without fuss.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
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Ronaldo eventually decided he would be happy to leave IF Utd were happy to let him go - that's not 'taking the piss' tbh.
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No, he decided he wanted to leave for Madrid, and went about it in a way which showed complete contempt for the club and its supporters. We were never, ever going to sell him, we'd never given off that vibe, and in the end the reason he's still here is because United WOULD NOT SELL

The spin you put on it is simply not what happened. But I wouldn't expect you to understand, because even during the summer when I told you Ronaldo wanted to go to Madrid - which he himself has admitted - you said it was bullshit. And it wasn't. So give it a rest eh
 
Feedingseagulls said:
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Ronaldo eventually decided he would be happy to leave IF Utd were happy to let him go - that's not 'taking the piss' tbh.

Later, when he realised we still wanted him to stay - he stayed without fuss.
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You have to look deeper than what he says, it's how it's said and what it's said along with.

Whenever he said that it was normally after he'd spent 5 minutes or so talking about Madrid, and he didn't sound too enthusiastic about the idea of staying.

I'm sure you know that yourself though, you're more than smart enough to realise it.
 
Brad said:
I'm more than happy for Ronaldo, during the time he's still with us, to put in great performances and help us achieve things. But I'm not going to chant his name, because I don't think he deserves my adulation. I won't be silent instead, rather I'll get behind the team as a whole. What's the problem?
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Of course it's not a problem.

Just like it's not a problem if Ronaldo turns in great performances but doesn't smile.

It's not even a problem if some United fans, remembering great performances and looking forward to more of them, think he does deserve a bit of adulation.
 
He's spoilt.

I doubt it's anything to do with not wanting to play for us. He just likes to be the centre of attention, and IF he's sulking, it's because he's not king pin atm.

But maybe he's not sulking at all, just not feeling great yet.
 
Brad said:
No, he decided he wanted to leave for Madrid, and went about it in a way which showed complete contempt for the club and its supporters. We were never, ever going to sell him, we'd never given off that vibe, and in the end the reason he's still here is because United WOULD NOT SELL

The spin you put on it is simply not what happened. But I wouldn't expect you to understand, because even during the summer when I told you Ronaldo wanted to go to Madrid - which he himself has admitted - you said it was bullshit. And it wasn't. So give it a rest eh
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He didn't go about it in any way that showed contempt - he insisted, consistently, on our right to decide once he decided he was interested.

You insisted Ronaldo had decided on moving way before we had any evidence that that was the conclusion he would eventually come to. It's pretty obvious that one or two much simpler decisions/outcomes were pending during May/June. Only once they had panned-out the way they did was a move actually on the cards. He then wanted to go (if Utd agreed - something he repeatedly stated that you always ignore) - he admitted this - he stated that he hadn't made his mind up yet in mid-summer - you told us he'd done it earlier.

Unfortunately for you ALL of Ronaldo's statments are consistent with him entertaining a move only later in the summer - once various changes in the situation had occurred. In order to believe your version we must take one interview only as both 'Gospel', and having your contentious interpretation as the fact of the matter regarding that interview - and interpreting the numerous other remarks Ronaldo made to the contrary as false.

The numbers are against you - but you refuse to recognise that fact.

You seem to think that because he admited he eventually entertained a move away that he must have done so since before Moscow as you wanted to claim. This despite the fact that in the same interview in which he made this admission he said that the win in Moscow was a contributory factor to his decision. Poor, poor logic.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
He didn't go about it in any way that showed contempt - he insisted, consistently, on our right to decide once he decided he was interested.
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:lol::lol::lol:

He insisted on it eh?! How frightfully commendable of him eh, insisting that we should have the choice!

How about he didn't have a fecking say in the matter, and that he was never going anywhere eh?
 
Brwned said:
You have to look deeper than what he says, it's how it's said and what it's said along with.

Whenever he said that it was normally after he'd spent 5 minutes or so talking about Madrid, and he didn't sound too enthusiastic about the idea of staying.

I'm sure you know that yourself though, you're more than smart enough to realise it.
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I think you are conflating two different periods of discourse tbh.

In the early period Ronaldo is expecting some short-timescale announcement - can't really be a move at that stage of the summer - and is pointing out his long-standing deisre to play in Spain sometime. Pretty much all stuff we've heard before.

Later on - something has obviously changed - and Ronaldo is then much more intrested in a move this year (as opposed to sometime). So he is talking about a move as his current preferred option but always insists that it's Utd's decision.

It seems reasonably obvious that he'd been led to expect a mega-offer that would really tempt us - a figure at which we'd be happy to let him go. (Go back and look at the summer's thread if you're in doubt). Then it became apparent that Real were hoping he would 'agitate' to lower the price - he refused to do so. SAF re-iterated how we wanted him to stay - he stayed.

That makes him a non-c*nt in my book.

It makes Brad and the drama-queens like him serious c*nts.
 
Brad said:
Teams get over losing their best players Striker

Remember Cantona retiring? What a player he was. How different might things have been without him as a catalyst during the 90's. He retired in 97. We were all gutted. Yet what did we achieve, just a couple of seasons later?

I'm more than happy for Ronaldo, during the time he's still with us, to put in great performances and help us achieve things. But I'm not going to chant his name, because I don't think he deserves my adulation. I won't be silent instead, rather I'll get behind the team as a whole. What's the problem?
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The first point kinda goes with what I said about buying the right player. When Cantona retired I think we got Teddy in and then we brought in yorke

So yes we could sell Ronaldo but in terms of the best interest of the club we would have to have someone lined up. Who is there? That's what the club will be wondering. If you buy anyone to improve your first team it should be someone that's as good as if not better then the player

For me there is no problem. People were discussing his reaction and relating it to a belief he's unhappy while implying that this is his final year - which got on some peoples nerves. Some people get told they're in denial and the rest say the others are doom merchants

Maybe Ronaldo IS unhappy at the crowd? Some people look at the whole and if the majority support you fine but some people, all it takes is one person giving you the wanker sign to give you the hump

So there is reasonable doubt but for me Ronaldo's reactions are he set himself standards and he's not meeting them and even if this was his last season here - you can bet he'd want to make it better then last season

So personally there is no problem, people shouldn't read things into every action because peoples moods can change minute by minute.

In the celtic game Ronaldo actually over stretched and looked injured for a minute, these things can cause you stress.

Sir Alex also said when Ronaldo heard what he said about maybe needing a rest, he told him he wanted to play so it don't sound like a player who's unhappy...so we should put that to bed.

That's all really
 
For as long as he wears the red shirt of Manchester United, he gets my full support - no holding back. What might or might not have happened in the past is irrelevant to me. Only the present and the future should matter. The team is the most important thing. To perform at maximum potential it obviously includes a Ronaldo in top form who has been quite exceptional for the last 2 seasons.

Viva Ronaldo, and long may he continue here! :devil:
 
Brad said:
:lol::lol::lol:

He insisted on it eh?! How frightfully commendable of him eh, insisting that we should have the choice!

How about he didn't have a fecking say in the matter, and that he was never going anywhere eh?
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I know - how entirely 'ignorable' that he didn't agitate in the mode of a Berbatov, Lampard, Hargreaves, Adebayor etc.

He refused to make life any easier for RM - he could have done a lot more to help instigate the move and always refused to do so.

Of course, admitting that he made it easier for us to keep him would make him even less of a c*nt and make you look even more stupid wouldn't it. :angel:

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The numbers are against you - but you refuse to recognise that fact.
 
He's just struggling to find his form, for the first time in over two years. He's never looked happy when he's not on his game.

If anything, he's the one that's got the problem now. He might be as commited as ever to the cause, but where as before he was untouchable, now, every time his form dips, the same questions are going to be asked, and some people will be far less patient as a result.
 
Ronaldo is never happy if he feels he's not at his best - he's always looked grumpy/unhappy then.

He's just back from injury and he's missed pre-season - he's going to be displeased at how he's playing.

Luckily he is still showing application/workrate and enjoying goals scored by his team-mates.

Some 'c*nt' eh?
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I think you are conflating two different periods of discourse tbh.

In the early period Ronaldo is expecting some short-timescale announcement - can't really be a move at that stage of the summer - and is pointing out his long-standing deisre to play in Spain sometime. Pretty much all stuff we've heard before.

Later on - something has obviously changed - and Ronaldo is then much more intrested in a move this year (as opposed to sometime). So he is talking about a move as his current preferred option but always insists that it's Utd's decision.

It seems reasonably obvious that he'd been led to expect a mega-offer that would really tempt us - a figure at which we'd be happy to let him go. (Go back and look at the summer's thread if you're in doubt). Then it became apparent that Real were hoping he would 'agitate' to lower the price - he refused to do so. SAF re-iterated how we wanted him to stay - he stayed.

That makes him a non-c*nt in my book.

It makes Brad and the drama-queens like him serious c*nts.
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The fact that his preferred destination was/is Madrid doesn't make him a cnut in my book, but it's a chief reason for disliking him. That coupled along with his personality and his (revitalised)tendency to cheat makes him a prime target for unhappy fans.

It is irrational to expect him to show some loyalty when we look around at the amount of mercenaries in football, and when you look at it objectively he's most definitely not one of the more disloyal players around in the current climate, but it's entirely understandable for people to call him a cnut with our long standing tradition of loyalty.
 
Raven_Blade said:
For as long as he wears the red shirt of Manchester United, he gets my full support - no holding back. What might or might not have happened in the past is irrelevant to me. Only the present and the future should matter. The team is the most important thing. To perform at maximum potential it obviously includes a Ronaldo in top form who has been quite exceptional for the last 2 seasons.

Viva Ronaldo, and long may he continue here! :devil:
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Great post - well done for stating your passion with such common sense.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Ronaldo is never happy if he feels he's not at his best - he's always looked grumpy/unhappy then.

He's just back from injury and he's missed pre-season - he's going to be displeased at how he's playing.

Luckily he is still showing application/workrate and enjoying goals scored by his team-mates.

Some 'c*nt' eh?
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If I were you FS I'd put brad on your ignore list; all this effort of yours must be taking years off you!

A case of equus mortus flagelando..
 
jojojo said:
Of course it's not a problem.

Just like it's not a problem if Ronaldo turns in great performances but doesn't smile.

It's not even a problem if some United fans, remembering great performances and looking forward to more of them, think he does deserve a bit of adulation.
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Now this could have saved pages of rubbish
 
Brwned said:
The fact that his preferred destination was Madrid doesn't make him a cnut in my book, but it's a chief reason for disliking him. That coupled along with his personality and his (revitalised)tendency to cheat makes him a prime target for unhappy fans.

It is irrational to expect him to show some loyalty when we look around at the amount of mercenaries in football, and when you look at it objectively he's most definitely not one of the more disloyal players around in the current climate, but it's entirely understandable for people to call him a cnut with our long standing tradition of loyalty.
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I think this is mostly about our fans being spoilt with certain local or 'converted to local' players being abnormally loyal. Then there's the 'anywhere else is down' assumption.

Utd itself (like any club) has seen no reason to be excessively loyal to players - yet, like its fans, it may expect only loyalty in return. Players wanting to leave of their own accord may grate - but it doesn't really make them 'c*nts' imo.

Making it easier for Utd to keep them than the player could have done reduces the c*nt-rating even further I'd reckon.

Most fans seem to think he's a c*nt because they are just reacting like jilted lovers - not a good basis for objective appraisal.

That, and their behaviour, is why I judge Brad et al to be bigger c*nts than Ronaldo.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I know - how entirely 'ignorable' that he didn't agitate in the mode of a Berbatov, Lampard, Hargreaves, Adebayor etc.

He refused to make life any easier for RM - he could have done a lot more to help instigate the move and always refused to do so.

Of course, admitting that he made it easier for us to keep him would make him even less of a c*nt and make you look even more stupid wouldn't it. :angel:

Oh, and...

The numbers are against you - but you refuse to recognise that fact.
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There was always the possibility that he would be staying at Old Trafford. It wouldn't be unwise to assume that Ronaldo recognised this, and therefore ensured that he wouldn't go down as a complete cnut should he have had to stick with his second choice.
 
KingEric7 said:
There was always the possibility that he would be staying at Old Trafford. It wouldn't be unwise to assume that Ronaldo recognised this, and therefore ensured that he wouldn't go down as a complete cnut should he have had to stick with his second choice.
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Yet many others pushed moves much harder - some left, some stayed.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I think this is mostly about our fans being spoilt with certain local or 'converted to local' players being abnormally loyal. Then there's the 'anywhere else is down' assumption.

Utd itself (like any club) has seen no reason to be excessively loyal to players - yet, like its fans, it may expect only loyalty in return. Players wanting to leave of their own accord may grate - but it doesn't really make them 'c*nts' imo.

Making it easier for Utd to keep them than the player could have done reduces the c*nt-rating even further I'd reckon.

Most fans seem to think he's a c*nt because they are just reacting like jilted lovers - not a good basis for objective appraisal.

That, and their behaviour, is why I judge Brad et al to be bigger c*nts than Ronaldo.
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It is largely because of that, no-one likes moving on FS and while we've still got Scholes, Neville, O'Shea, Fletcher and Giggs at this club we can still claim to have loyalty in our team. not many other teams can.

It doesn't make them cnuts in mine either, on the pitch is all that matters. 95% of that is based around his performance too, i couldn't care less about attitudes. Up until now Ronaldo's been brilliant in applying himself even if he has came across as moody.

Football isn't an objective game though and never should be. It's the subjectivity of it that makes it more than just a bunch of players running around kicking a ball.
 
Brwned said:
It is largely because of that, no-one likes moving on FS and while we've still got Scholes, Neville, O'Shea, Fletcher and Giggs at this club we can still claim to have loyalty in our team. not many other teams can.

It doesn't make them cnuts in mine either, on the pitch is all that matters. 95% of that is based around his performance too, i couldn't care less about attitudes. Up until now Ronaldo's been brilliant in applying himself even if he has came across as moody.

Football isn't an objective game though and never should be. It's the subjectivity of it that makes it more than just a bunch of players running around kicking a ball.
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Thing is - I try to be both passionate and rational - makes me very different to the majority - but it doesn't stop me screaming like hell.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Yet many others pushed moves much harder - some left, some stayed.
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They were far less intelligent and devious.

Heinze, for example, wouldn't have been well received had he stayed put. I'm not entirely convinced that he considered the implications of remaining at the club after acting like a complete cretin.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Thing is - I try to be both passionate and rational - makes me very different to the majority - but it doesn't stop me screaming like hell.
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I'd like to think I'm fairly rational too. But I understand the irrationality displayed by most fans on here and so I don't bother making an argument out of it because it's not worth the effort.

Each to their own and the majority of fans who dislike Ronaldo are matchgoers which makes it even more understandable.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Do you intend 'less' to apply to the second description as well? :D
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Probably. I'm never too sure what I'm talking about after a joint.

Ronaldo isn't stupid, though. I'd be willing to wager that he took into account the possible ramifications of staying, should he have gone the distance throughout the summer.

This is probably why Ronaldo's actions were fairly subtle, as opposed to Heinze's which were about as subtle as a tornado ripping through Soho Square.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I know - how entirely 'ignorable' that he didn't agitate in the mode of a Berbatov, Lampard, Hargreaves, Adebayor etc.

He refused to make life any easier for RM - he could have done a lot more to help instigate the move and always refused to do so.

Of course, admitting that he made it easier for us to keep him would make him even less of a c*nt and make you look even more stupid wouldn't it. :angel:

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The numbers are against you - but you refuse to recognise that fact.
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What numbers are against me? Are the OT faithful on your side here? Funny, because I don't hear them singing Viva Ronaldo...

You couldn't try and spin that version of events if you tried. Agitating for a move is PRECISELY what he tried to do, hence the summer long saga. This could have been very easily sorted within a day if he'd wanted it to be

Ronaldo: Boss, I'd like to go to Madrid, but only if you're willing to sell me

Fergie: Ach lad, you're fecking stayin put

Ronaldo: Ok thanks boss. I'll make no more of it then, and nip all the speculation in the bud by coming out and stating I will remain at OT. Wish me luck at the Euros

And yet that didn't happen did it. You think Fergie likes having to fly across Europe to speak with Ronaldo? I don't, I reckon he could do without it. Mrs Fergie would definately say I'm sure
 
Brwned said:
I'd like to think I'm fairly rational too. But I understand the irrationality displayed by most fans on here and so I don't bother making an argument out of it because it's not worth the effort.

Each to their own and the majority of fans who dislike Ronaldo are matchgoers which makes it even more understandable.
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I'm a matchgoer who finds their over-reaction rather self-defeating.

When irrational, over-emotional reactions masquerade as fact I'm going to complain - just as I do on 'social' issues.
 
Brad said:
What numbers are against me? Are the OT faithful on your side here? Funny, because I don't hear them singing Viva Ronaldo...
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:rolleyes:

The numbers of the many times he definitely tells us that he didn't decide on a move until later in the summer versus the one time he might vaguely have been telling us it was earlier.

Simple really. :D
 
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