Really? We appear to agree on Park (see above). And I don't remember you feting Tevez as world class.
PARK-A true unsung hero
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So did Ronaldo, Rooney etc. etc. Never judge a player on a world cup.
Tevez is a very good player, and you haven't got much of a scooby doo.
Park isn't top class, but he's better than most people seem to think.
Tevez is a very good player, and you haven't got much of a scooby doo.
Park isn't top class, but he's better than most people seem to think.
Horseshit.
He's plenty good enough, every now and then. As we saw against Milan, when he was arguably our best player in both legs. Playing centrally.
I remember arguing with you until I was blue in the face about tevez, in his first season at United.
I probably argued his case a bit less vociferously in his underwhelming second season but it's always been obvious there's more to his game than just "running around"
The thing is, Fergie has something of a record for producing successful squads of players. In a squad, you have to have a few superstars, those players who have a bit of something that nobody else has but you can't have 25 of them because you end up with a load of pissed off ego's bitching at each other and the manager every time they're "rested".
What Fergie has always done is to have a few reliable, versatile, hard-working professionals who he can call up at any time - even if they haven't played for three weeks - and be safe in the knowledge that they will do what is required of them without complaint or attitude.
Park is one of those players. Every squad that wants to win stuff needs a Park or three.
What Fergie has always done is to have a few reliable, versatile, hard-working professionals who he can call up at any time - even if they haven't played for three weeks - and be safe in the knowledge that they will do what is required of them without complaint or attitude.
Park is one of those players. Every squad that wants to win stuff needs a Park or three.
I said to you before he'd move to another club and be a star, no doubt about it in my mind.
His running around's actually hiding his ability in your case, as opposed to exaggerating it. You see a headless chicken and you assume he's a talentless, headless chicken. He's very talented.
He isn't a particularly talented player, he's pretty slow, his control is average and his shooting/passing aren't all that. He's had one good season at Man City - I wouldn't be putting him on that 'star' pedestal.
Tevez's control is way better than average. He's one of the best players I've seen for us in terms of ball retention.
Anyway, Park - he's a red. I look forward to him inflicting more damage on Arsenal et al.
Anyway, Park - he's a red. I look forward to him inflicting more damage on Arsenal et al.
Parks now at the stage where more people actually overrate him than underrate him.
Compared to Rooney or Berbatov?
Berbatov has a better touch, but he's nowhere near as good at keeping the ball. He doesn't put his body in the way.
Rooney - in that aspect of his game, I'd say he's about the same as Tevez, and not as good at shielding the ball.
Not many overrate him. A lot more give him his due though. Most see him as a very good squad player, he isn't necessarily a every game starter but, he can be a starter in many different types of games. His versatility to play on either wing or in behind the striker helps with things like the 25 person squad rules coming in.
He isn't a brilliant attacking midfielder but, a highly effective one when partnered with Rooney. Him and Rooney seem to be on the same wave length on the pitch.
I also think while he does get knocked off the ball easily at times - he also doesn't get the protection of some players get from refs.
People like peterstorey will belittle him because he doesn't fit into the total football kool-aid that Wenger preaches but, a team like Arsenal would do significantly better if they had more squad players like Park, O'Shea and the other championship level footballers.
Tevez is a bit like Rooney in that, when he's not on his game, his touch can look woefully heavy.
Berbatov's touch is always sublime, it's the rest of his game that goes to shit.
Berbatov's touch is always sublime, it's the rest of his game that goes to shit.
Loves that peterstorey continues his long running hate campaign against players like Park and Tevez while they continue scoring against his team.
Sorry but, Berbatov is one of the best at keeping the ball and shielding players of and working his way out of tight situations. Not sure what you mean by he doesn't get his body in the way.
He's the one player you can usually count on to stave off the attention of 2-3 defenders closing him down.
I've got nothing against the players - it's the twats that overrate them that get on my tits.
I've seen it happen time and again - Berbatov controls the ball on a sixpence, but the defender nicks it away because he's too slow either at using it, or getting his body in the way so the defender can't get it. It's not because he lacks ball control - far from it - it's more to do with his style. He loses the ball more often than Tevez - partly because Tevez moves more.
Fair enough. When he does lose the ball it most always is because he is that bit slow.
I from my memory it happens maybe a few times in matches but, the way he loses the ball is not often different from Rooney having defenders nip in on him or Tevez but, he does a lot better once he has the ball than either of them.
Anyway, back to Park. I wonder if it grates on peterstorey we have these squad players that time and time step up for us and thus we can laud their worth whereas Arse are sorely lacking in these championship level players that can step for them in big games.
Who needs Rooney when you've got Two-Goal Park? 
Whats he done to his hair?
Looks like hes trimmed it
Hopefully he can start to show the technical player he used to be at PSV and he can for S.Korea
For me he is our 3rd best central midfielder and has been for nearly 2 years, I think he should always be played in our 4-5-1 formation:
________Scholes
Valencia Park Fletcher Nani
________Rooney
(Park given a more free-role as Fletcher sits back, and vice-versa)
________Scholes
Valencia Park Fletcher Nani
________Rooney
(Park given a more free-role as Fletcher sits back, and vice-versa)
I'd say the opposite. Berbatov a lot of the time controls, turns and then dribbles very slowly. The defender is in no danger of being left behind, but he can't get the ball because Berbatov is one of those wankers whom we've all played against. He can just shield the ball enough to make it impossible to take it from him, while almost dribbling at walking pace. The problem Berbatov has sometimes is that he doesn't do anything after the dribble, just passes it back.
An assist today for S. Korea against Nigeria, with a through ball - assuming he was playing the middle like he normally does for his country.
Tried to watch. Couldn't find a stream. S. Korea really are screwed when he retires. I don't think Bolton's Lee is the type of player you can build a team around like Park is.
I thought Korea had a lot of youth coming up. They certainty have a few around Europe. A Korean friend of mine said he wanted to retire after the WC, guess that didn't pan out.
Japan look the most fearsome in Asia. Their youth is doing very well abroad and their looking bigger too
Park-An honest and open assesment of his current form
Refreshing to hear a footballer be honest about his short comings. Park's always proved to be a vital player for the biggest matches for us. Him, Rooney, Carrick, Fletcher and Rio re-finding their form will be a massive plus for us. It shows how well we've done so far this season that we're only 3 points off the top, with those 5 players not playing or off form and us conceding silly late goals, especially when Chelsea are supposedly in top gear.
Park: I must improve - Manchester United Official Web Site
Refreshing to hear a footballer be honest about his short comings. Park's always proved to be a vital player for the biggest matches for us. Him, Rooney, Carrick, Fletcher and Rio re-finding their form will be a massive plus for us. It shows how well we've done so far this season that we're only 3 points off the top, with those 5 players not playing or off form and us conceding silly late goals, especially when Chelsea are supposedly in top gear.
Him and Brown being interviewed after the match... Park's English is far better than I expected
I must be lacist.
I must be lacist.
There was some article I think in MEN - not even an article, really, more like a trivia blurb - about him getting a Master's Degree in English. Or it may have been about him getting a Master's Degree in something else and taking English courses along with that. Something about him and English.
Glad he got the goal. Hopefully he will kick on and rediscover his form now. He looked so good in the WC and then suddenly it seemed to evaporate for us. There's no doubt he can still do the job, so hopefully we'll begin to see the old park now that he's got a good performance in the bag.
He was utter utter shit tonight, man of the match is a joke.
Except he wasn't though really.
Yes he was, its amazing how a goal changes peoples views so quickly, he couldn't pass the ball for an hour, he missed a sitter from 6 yards, he was all over the shop, the entire match day forum were calling for his substitution, he was very very poor tonight.
And who would you give man of the match to? His goal was fantastic. The man of the match had to go to him. Although Hernadez scored the winner, he was only on the pitch a short time.
Lately ive been fed up with people slagging him off and saying we should get rid. He was better than pretty everyone in the england squad in the world cup. I'll never forget his goal against chelsea. We need Park. He is a United player and hopefully for many years to come.
I remember him linking up well with Fabio a couple of times, giving the ball away carelessly a couple of times and then missing a very good chance...then the goal came. He made more than a couple of driving runs through the middle and he got much more involved, and the goal deserves a lot of credit for a very accomplished finish and a penetrative run through the middle. He was quiet beforehand as he had been all season, but after the gal he came to life I thought. Not MOTM and not a great game by any means, but not poor and a definite improvement. And no worse than Evra at the weekend, to be honest.
Maybe he's just not your type of 'winger', Afo? Ever thought that there might be more than one way to play the position? If people keep comparing against a direct, pacy dribbler with an eye for goal then he's never going to impress, but obviously he keeps getting games because what he does outside that is valued by Sir Alex. And I don't mean putting a foot in.
Maybe he's just not your type of 'winger', Afo? Ever thought that there might be more than one way to play the position? If people keep comparing against a direct, pacy dribbler with an eye for goal then he's never going to impress, but obviously he keeps getting games because what he does outside that is valued by Sir Alex. And I don't mean putting a foot in.
The first half yes, but he certainly picked up his game in the second half.
Probably Chris Smalling actually, he was the best of a pretty poor bunch tonight and in the first half especially was dominant in defence im really excited by his potential.
How Park got the award ill genuinely never know it was a joke of a decision, im not going to sit here toe the party line and sugar coat what was a dreadful performance from someone you expect much better from, hes an experienced international, he should have been leading the way tonight yet Bebe a kid who hadn't ever started a game for us before looked better than him.
Im not Parks biggest fan never have been but ive appreciated his role in the squad, but he honestly looks so average this season we've had to resort to playing patrice Evra left wing instead even during a mini wide man injury crisis! what does that tell you about the managers thinking of his form of late?
He was poor tonight, that's just a fact, if you've any doubts then re-watch that match, if he hadn't scored that goal i doubt id have anyone even debating it with me right now, everyone was calling for him to be subbed tonight, thats how poor he was, then he scores and hes back to being amazing.