If Scholes signs for next season we won't need to, and will not sign a midfielder.
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If Scholes signs for next season we won't need to, and will not sign a midfielder.
He'll be the next one shipped out for next to nothing
But we've no idea what he's been offered by us nor Juventus, do we? These were figures that were thrown about in an article which can't be verified. For all we know he might actually be getting the 45k he wanted. We simply don't know.
No need to reconsider any strategy. Pogba was never going to have much of a role this season but now SAF knows he's out of the picture in future seasons it clarifies what he needs to do in the next transfer window. If anything, his faith in Pogba put him in a trickier position than he's in right now.
On a more general point, regarding signing talented kids from abroad, this will always be a good strategy so long as the 90 minute rule limits our scope in terms of British kids. Pogba pissing off to Italy doesn't change this. For every Pogba, we've got two Da Silvas as the counter-argument. Some kids will appreciate the chance to play for United, some won't. Although I think this appreciation will be as much down to an agent who can see the bigger picture as it is to their personal preferences.
I never said that signing kids from abroad is bad. What I am saying is, that maybe we should be wiser in giving first team chances and praising kids in the media (ie give more firepower to agents) who are at the end of their contracts
The 90 minute rule has been abolished though. I'm confident this will mean us changing our strategy and focusing on getting in the best of England.
EDIT: Fergie: United's youth system has been failing - Sports Mole Ignore the silly headline.
I would be surprised if we dont add a new CM next season
Pogba wasn't ready to play and we're not a mid table side who could afford to drop points here and there.
I won't, we've been in this position for the past couple of seasons and done nothing about it. You could argue that we had Fletcher but then again no one expected Cleverley to be this good and Jones to adapt well in midfield.
Its irrelevant to my post though
It's not, you said we might need to be wiser about giving them first team opportunities.
He has a point though. We didn't do ourselves any favours by talking him up in the media knowing full well he's contract is up for renewal. It just gives agents a lot more bargaining power. It's like, ok so you say he's this good so pay x amount or lose him.
Works both ways. It shows Pogba the world's greatest manager thinks highly of him and has him in his thoughts.
He's gone. Is there any lessons to be learned?
I guess, but looking back we might have over cooked it a little bit.
I don't really think Fergie bigging him up played too big a factor. With the amount of coverage even training gets and reserve games being broadcast on tv people are much more knowledgeable about top young players, particularly at big clubs.
You misunderstood. We should be reluctant in giving first team opportunities to young players who are at the end of their contract.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't.
There's a school of thought that Pogba might have moved because he felt he had a better chance of breaking into the first team at Juve. Obviously, he needs to be brought through carefully, due to the huge pressure we're under to stay on City's tail. Nonetheless, what better way to reassure the kid he'll get his chance in due course than for Fergie to come out in public and say he's reluctant to sign another central midfielder for fear of blocking his progress?
That is totally irrelevant. When we scout other clubs for players, other clubs also do the same you know...Espcially when the player in question has a contract running out soon and also has a cnut agent.
They may or may not. Not many clubs have United's scouting system and not many clubs are ready to invest serious money (salaries) on a kid who had never played first team football. Playing with us + being praised by SAF tend to attract attention
Of course we have no idea but as everything here is based upon specualation until official comments are made then we're all following the constant speculation, Telegraph reckon he's getting 45k, they're the only ones everyone else reckons he's getting €20k, thats all we have to go off. For all we know he may not be going and has signed a full deal with us.
Yes it does attract attention...but in the case of Pogba (and even Morrison), every fecking top club would know whats he's all about and going on with his contract regardless of him being played in the first team or praised by Fergie.
Our best midfielder is 30
Why?
True, that's why I pointed it out to you since you said something doesn't add up. If it is true that he's signed with Juventus, then I don't think it's just because of a huge sign on fee for his agent but rather him (Pogba) actually benefiting financially himself.
It leaves us very lacking in youth in our midfield prospects now, a far cry from a few months ago. We've clearly been holding off on our midfield because of the youngsters (and i still include Ando and Clev in that)
This isn't even confirmed yet is it?
It would be some craic if he stayed now wouldnt it!!!!! 
It would be some craic if he stayed now wouldnt it!!!!!
Exactly, everyone speculating on rumours. I'll come back when I hear it from the club.
Well I was wondering this too & whether to make a separate thread or not.
If aspiring young footballers are of the belief that they aren't going to get the chance at United, might this mean we will struggle to pick up young talent?
This however does not seem to be the case as we have Welbeck & Cleverly as talent which came through recently. Also, I have no doubt Morrison & Pogba would have done the same if they had bided their time.
But, the perception may be there which could effect our recruitment of talent.
I guess. But if I were a young boy and the manager had singled me out like that in public, in effect saying that we didn't need to sign a world-class midfielder because we had this great young kid coming through, I'd probably expect to get games. And he didn't get any.
As I said in a previous post, I think that was the right decision, but it must have been a huge disappointment to Pogba. He's 18 years old, and probably doesn't understand the workings of the world as well as those of us who've lived in it a little longer.
Fergies patented way of handling promising but unready players, feeding them a little raw meat of public mention, to keep them happy and reassure them that they're in his thoughts, may have backfired.
But who knows? As you say 'damned if we do, damned........'.
This. He's not the first talented player to leave the club, and wont be the last one.
If he wants to hire an agent to manage his contractual affairs then shouldn't he be paying his fee?
I mean what is wrong with these young people talk about greedy!
I mean what is wrong with these young people talk about greedy!
Why do people keep saying this? It's patently untrue.
He got his first taste of first-team football in the same way that all youngsters do. In the Carling Cup. He didn't play very well (which is something he'll have been well aware of himself) so didn't make a case for starting any higher profile games any time soon.
It's all about making the most of your chances when you get them for youngsters on the fringe of the first team. Same rules apply at Juventus, he'll discover soon enough.
A piece on Pogba by Andy Mitten:
Pogba's loss, not United's.
A foot note in the history of United, as the club continues its quest for success.
A foot note in the history of United, as the club continues its quest for success.
The kid is French, a mercenary, who left his homeland for a better deal in England. Now he's leaving England for a better deal in Italy.
He has no loyalty to United, and no reason to believe he can't pursue a successful career in Turin as well as in Manchester.
We, on the other hand, have lost without compensation a player who might have been the next Patrick Vieira.
That makes us the losers in my book.
His playing style is nothing like Vieira.
Anyways, in the long run of things, neither the club nor him lose much imo. There will be more kids and a club as big as ours doesnt really get affected by an 18yr old leaving and at a club like Juve, he'l be taken care of. They arent a City. So nobody really loses.
1) What's him being French got to do with anything
2) A mercenary? At 18? My arse..If he moves every few years then fine.but he's hardly a vieri is he: Christian Vieri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IF it's true, what exactly have Juve told him? I would love to be a fly on that wall.
Yes we're the losers. IF it's true of course
I'm disappointed he's leaving. I'm disappointed I'll never get to see him attempt to live up to his wage demands in a United shirt. I'm disappointed the club wasted its time and money on him.
Beyond that, it's the same with with the failed Sneijder bid. If money is your main concern (and your name's not Rooney, obviously) there's no place for you at this club.
Beyond that, it's the same with with the failed Sneijder bid. If money is your main concern (and your name's not Rooney, obviously) there's no place for you at this club.
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