These Vieira comparisons... 
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1) I mean that he has no reason to believe Manchester United is the alpha and omega of football.
2) He's changed clubs 4 times in 4 years. He's either a restless spirit, or follows the scent of money wherever it leads him.
The other dissapointing thing from the article is that we have actually pretty much matched his wage demands - if money was the only issue then surely he would stay?.
This really stinks of the agent offering him the world, and as soon as the move forfills i guarantee he will be out of there before you can say show me the money.
This really stinks of the agent offering him the world, and as soon as the move forfills i guarantee he will be out of there before you can say show me the money.
These Vieira comparisons...
It's a lazy comparison, but there are points of similarity in colour, stature, and class.
I see it two ways, and I could be wrong on both counts as I haven't followed the topic enough.
1) He's a mercenary, and we shouldn't have these types of players at the club. Players like Cleverley who've grown up at the club are far better for us.
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2) He's not as good as you're all making out. SAF and the coaching staff see him on a daily basis, and he never plays. He came on for us against Stoke, and I must say, I was impressed, but there's a difference between doing it in the reserves or doing it at OT against a beaten Stoke, and doing it in a big game, or at least a meaningful game (WBA this Sunday for example). He wants first team football, which we can't provide. We can't provide first team football for someone who plays in midfield - the much-maligned position at United, the weak spot. We had everyone dying to sign Sneijder in the summer, or Schweinsteiger, or Gotze, and so on, yet this guy still can't get in.
I am disappointed we won't get to see one of the more promising talents we've had in recent years come through for us, but maybe it's all much ado about nothing.
1) He's a mercenary, and we shouldn't have these types of players at the club. Players like Cleverley who've grown up at the club are far better for us.
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2) He's not as good as you're all making out. SAF and the coaching staff see him on a daily basis, and he never plays. He came on for us against Stoke, and I must say, I was impressed, but there's a difference between doing it in the reserves or doing it at OT against a beaten Stoke, and doing it in a big game, or at least a meaningful game (WBA this Sunday for example). He wants first team football, which we can't provide. We can't provide first team football for someone who plays in midfield - the much-maligned position at United, the weak spot. We had everyone dying to sign Sneijder in the summer, or Schweinsteiger, or Gotze, and so on, yet this guy still can't get in.
I am disappointed we won't get to see one of the more promising talents we've had in recent years come through for us, but maybe it's all much ado about nothing.
He's 18, far too early to call him a mercenary specially when we're reported to have matched the wages Juve offered him and he still left. Even if thats not the case, it'd be very harsh to call him a mercenary when he's just changed 2 clubs and the move to us from a small french side made complete sense regardless of the pay hike.
He's 18, he's hardly going to be starting league games for us in the PL. Does not mean he isnt that good. There are very few special talents like Fabregas who are that good at that age.
Also, the way SAF has always talked of him, he has to be a great talent. Its obvious from when you see him play.
Lets not go down the "he wasnt that good anyways" route just because he's leaving.
Look, like I said, I could be wrong on both counts, because I don't know enough about him or the situation, I'm just offering two thoughts on the matter.
And he doesn't have to be playing first team football, no one expects him to, but he never even makes the bench. This season, at any one stage, we've been without Scholes, Anderson, Cleverley and Fletcher, Carrick and Giggs have also had their spells out, yet he's never looked like playing.
Even against Blackburn, we had our team decimated. Fergie brought Will Keane on, and Anderson to regain fitness. We had a sub to make, which could've been Pogba, and he still didn't play him. I'd like to know, if he is as good as everybody's making out, why he hasn't been given more of an opportunity.
Theres life after Pogba
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Tunnicliffe, Barkley, Witsel, M'Vila, Martinez, Alex Song are all good options
It will cost us but at least if we buy another world class midfielder over the summer then we will have a player that will step in right away to help us challenge for the CL again instead of waiting 2 or 3 years for Pogba to develop and sacraficing the CL for another couple of seasons like we have done in the past when waiting for talents like Neville, Ronaldo to develop etc
If we get to the CL final next year, Pogba will be long forgotten
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Tunnicliffe, Barkley, Witsel, M'Vila, Martinez, Alex Song are all good options
It will cost us but at least if we buy another world class midfielder over the summer then we will have a player that will step in right away to help us challenge for the CL again instead of waiting 2 or 3 years for Pogba to develop and sacraficing the CL for another couple of seasons like we have done in the past when waiting for talents like Neville, Ronaldo to develop etc
If we get to the CL final next year, Pogba will be long forgotten
Is untrue. He was constantly on the bench for us.
Thing is, he's nothing like Vieira that some think he is. He's attack minded and not really upto the mark defensively yet. Because of that, its a risk bringing him on in tight games which is why he's only ever come on when we've sealed the result. As you'd be aware, that hasnt really happened often enough which explains his lack of game time. When we've sealed up the result, he has invariably come on.
What about the blackburn game? We needed a goal and brought on a striker, why'd we bring on pogba?
As a side point, this is the kind of thing that quite a few clubs will start to face with the advent of city. the number of points required to win the league will be high which makes every game very important. This means less opportunities for the youngsters. The rise in standard if the teams is also a huge factor in this, obviously.
So has it been confirmed he's gone? I don't have time to read the entire thread, and google just shows me to a MEN report talking about a linked move to Juve
He's a diamond in the rough. Needs a lot of polishing, but he could yet shine very bright.
Or he could turn out to be paste. The hammer of time must be brought to bear to determine whether he's 24 carat or a turnip. He might yet turn out to be a rotten tomato.
We do know that he's a bad apple.
He has been named on the bench more than I'd realised, but even so it's about ten games throughout the whole season.
I think we can ignore the first two months of the season, as he'd only just been promoted to the reserves; expecting him to feature at that point is unrealistic. But even when he has been named he doesn't feature, you say that's because games have been tight, but some of these games have been the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea, you can't expect them to be anything other than tight, whereas games against the likes of Norwich at home, Fulham away, Wolves at home, where you'd expect things to be more comfortable (as they were), he wasn't even named.
When did SAF ever expect to play him? He's either been named in games where he wasn't likely to play, because the game was going to be tight, and you can't afford to bring on inexperienced players, or not named in games where you'd expect him to play.
And regarding the Blackburn game, as you've said, he's an attacking midfielder, he would've been another attacking option when we were a goal down to the league's worst side, it couldn't have gone any worse if he'd have come on, so why not throw him on?
I agree with the Vieira bit though, from what I've seen, the comparison ends at stature and skin colour, his game is nothing like Vieira's.
See, the thing is, he isnt really ready for the 1st team yet. Its been evident from the limited chances he's got. He's 18 though and has a lot of time on his side. Not having appearances at this stage isnt really a slight on him and doesnt mean he isnt very good. He has been given the odd minute to give him a feel of things and to give him exposure not because he's ready for the team. That'l come with time.
Him and Morrison were the best we had. There's no doubt about that and its poor form to suddenly question his talent just because he's leaving imo.
Regarding the blackburn game, we needed goals so we brought on a striker. MAde sense. I dont see why you'd consider pogba a better bet to come on.
I didn't say he shouldn't have brought Keane on, but we had another substitution to make. We'd made two and Pogba was still on the bench, that's all I'm saying.
Yeah okay. I feel we already had our best options on the pitch and pogba wouldnt have made a difference. Never mind.
That's an interesting article. Can anyone shed more light on Tunnicliffe, especially since that article compares his style to Gerrard/Keane.
Your talking about his youth career? Then a french kid at 16 leaves to join manchester United. Juventus are a big club. I think it's a bit too early and easy to say he's a mercenary.
You may be right - it's a little too early.
We'll see how he goes (but not, unfortunately, with anything but academic interest).
I've never seen him play so can't decide is he next Viera, Scholes or even both (like Djemba Djemba but with different surnames and actual quality) from the writings about him. It will take some time for both United and Ferguson to recover from such a loss, afterall he did play 1 and half match for first team so I'm little concerned about our future here. Just hope this won't pursuade Fergie to early retirement and he'll be able to find some new solution for our midfield now that Viera-Scholes is gone. Sad days for, now we can say, once great club, fecking Juventus, already see them winning everything next season. 
Good I'm glad he's going, more room for the local lads to shine.
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don't worry lads...we still have these players coming throgh.
don't worry lads...we still have these players coming throgh.
The comparison comes from the fact he's nails, likes to get about the pitch and really puts himself about. He's one of those "driving force" players. He's not really close to Cleverley on a technical level, he's more like an old style British midfielder who lacks a little in technique but makes up for it in grit and determination.
He really kicked on for the reserves last season but in truth I'd be surprised if he makes it here, I think Ferguson is moving more towards technical players than players in his mould.
When you think of it, there are 10-15 young lads coming through every year and most of them don't make the cut, we had a FA youth cup win in 2003 and not one of them made more than a handful of first team starts.
Pogba was a exciting talent, there's always a new batch just on the horizon.
I'm in two minds about the whole situation and theres a very small part of me that hoping he rots in italy, but I tend to try and ignore the pettiness.
As a young footballer it's hard to wait for opportunities when you can get more(or similar) money elsewhere, even if it is at a 'lesser club' because he might have to wait another two or three years to make it here.
You have a limited shelf life as a footballer, and in the reserves or on the bench no-one is really watching you.
He could slip in the shower tomorrow, end his career and be always cursing what might have been and the unavailability of a decent shower mat that matches the decor.
It's different for us because we're fans of this club, that has a currency that isn't easily matched somewhere else.
If you had a choice between staying at 1860 Munchen Reserves (first team possibly in two years or so) or Real Sociedad first team, for slightly more money, you would take it.
Pogba was a exciting talent, there's always a new batch just on the horizon.
I'm in two minds about the whole situation and theres a very small part of me that hoping he rots in italy, but I tend to try and ignore the pettiness.
As a young footballer it's hard to wait for opportunities when you can get more(or similar) money elsewhere, even if it is at a 'lesser club' because he might have to wait another two or three years to make it here.
You have a limited shelf life as a footballer, and in the reserves or on the bench no-one is really watching you.
He could slip in the shower tomorrow, end his career and be always cursing what might have been and the unavailability of a decent shower mat that matches the decor.
It's different for us because we're fans of this club, that has a currency that isn't easily matched somewhere else.
If you had a choice between staying at 1860 Munchen Reserves (first team possibly in two years or so) or Real Sociedad first team, for slightly more money, you would take it.
where are these twenty brazilian kids that were at Old Trafford stands ?
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The players mentioned there are all still fairly young and if any are to come to us it probably won't be for a few more years yet.
Damn if you count Pogba and Morrison, what talents we have coming through!!!
Of wich Steve Mclaren has returned to and got them to second one point behind the leaders.
Think more along the lines of Lee Cattermole. He's no Gerrard or Keane.
Id agree with that. Ive already said I reckon Cole plays more games in our first team the him.
Tunicliffe is in the same mould as Neville and O'Shea though. Not immensly talented, but a attitude and determination who'll allow him to have a shot of becoming a good player. He is one of the youngest (if not the youngest player) out on a loan right now, which means that we have faith in his ability. He's a fighter with a good pass in him, and decent technique. He'll still learning and developing, so I can see him have a good career as a rotation option for us in the future.
yeah agreed, he puts in a hard working shift each and every time and he is a type of 'tackle and pass to the more talented guy' player a bit like keane said he was. He doesnt have skills or flicks but he will always be in your face
The next Fletcher perhaps?
Harsh on Fletcher, his technique was far superior at a similar age....
No disrespect meant to Fletcher. I was just meaning in terms of the role in the squad Fletcher now plays for us. Fletcher was robbed of a lot by injury. As a youngster he was easily technically better than he currently displays.
I like that there are at least some young players out there who have a good attitude, work hard for their team and get on with playing. It seems that more and more youngsters are getting too big for their boots, like Pogba and Morrison, but this lad seems to be an exception to that.
more a Nicky Butt
Cool. Such a player would be very useful to us long term.
Those types of players can come in very handy. Never dismiss an O'Shea, Butt type of player for us. Even if they lack in ability, they can be crucial when the squad is injury hit and needs someone to fill in, which does happen when you've got a busy fixture list like we have.
And I think the assessment of Neville (either one) was a little harsh. These guys were England Internationals at 21, or quite young anyway.
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