Sign the fecking contract, Paul!
Paul Pogba
- Thread starter dhstriker
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
- Status
Yeah sign the contract you shit!
The lad needs to sign the contract. He's being given chances by Sir Alex now in league matches, and he's been described by Sir Alex as a Manchester United first team player. He's not thought of as a reserve player anymore, he's part of the first team squad.
So get the pen on the paper boy, and get it signed.
So get the pen on the paper boy, and get it signed.
Must admit I'm more pessimistic than most posters about Pog re-signing.
We've seen all this before with other players nearing the end of their contracts. They're 'undecided' for months, until summer arrives and suddenly they're gone!
He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose by announcing a departure now. By stringing us along he preserves his relationship with the club and the fans, and gets game time.
We'll see - but the omens ain't good. Surely what's on offer must be clear by now?
ps: It may be simply a hard-headed agent determined to squeeze the last drop out of the club - I hope that's true.
We've seen all this before with other players nearing the end of their contracts. They're 'undecided' for months, until summer arrives and suddenly they're gone!
He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose by announcing a departure now. By stringing us along he preserves his relationship with the club and the fans, and gets game time.
We'll see - but the omens ain't good. Surely what's on offer must be clear by now?
ps: It may be simply a hard-headed agent determined to squeeze the last drop out of the club - I hope that's true.
I am carefully optimistic - but I wouldn't be shocked if he left. But I must admit I have a hard time understanding what is so tempting about Juventus' offer if what I have seen is to be believed.
Juventus is a good club - but nowhere near great nowadays. If we were up against Barcelona and Real Madrid I could understand his possible desire to leave, a bit more.
Juventus don't pay huge salaries - only a few keyplayers receive a huge salary - and even if their wages exceed what we are offering - realistically he stand to earn a lot more at United if he succeeds here. The top earners at United are probably at more than 50% higher wages than at Juventus
First-team opportunities. We don't have a bad midfield, but I don't think a 37 year old Scholes, Michael Carrick, Tom Cleverley, a constantly injured Anderson and an ill Darren Fletcher scares a cocky 19 year old with Pogba's qualities.
And - last but not least. No matter what Pogba is told by Juve - he is currently at a club where the manager obviously is prepared to give him - every opportunitie to succeed. There is no guarantee that he will be given this at Juventus even if he has been promised just that. Action still speaks louder than words.
So with all due respect to Juve - I can't logically understand why he should leave us for Juventus.
Juventus is a good club - but nowhere near great nowadays. If we were up against Barcelona and Real Madrid I could understand his possible desire to leave, a bit more.
Juventus don't pay huge salaries - only a few keyplayers receive a huge salary - and even if their wages exceed what we are offering - realistically he stand to earn a lot more at United if he succeeds here. The top earners at United are probably at more than 50% higher wages than at Juventus
First-team opportunities. We don't have a bad midfield, but I don't think a 37 year old Scholes, Michael Carrick, Tom Cleverley, a constantly injured Anderson and an ill Darren Fletcher scares a cocky 19 year old with Pogba's qualities.
And - last but not least. No matter what Pogba is told by Juve - he is currently at a club where the manager obviously is prepared to give him - every opportunitie to succeed. There is no guarantee that he will be given this at Juventus even if he has been promised just that. Action still speaks louder than words.
So with all due respect to Juve - I can't logically understand why he should leave us for Juventus.
His agent would stand to gain more if he moved rather than him staying.
What odds he starts on Monday?
Fergie said he will be involved. He may not start but he'll get more minutes.
We have? Maybe you could name some examples?
My memory isn't perfect but I'm fairly sure it would be unprecedented for a Manchester United player to sit out his contract and leave on a free.
As someone else said in this thread a few pages back, when Fergie really wants to hold onto a player it's very very rare for them to leave.
To repeat what I said earlier in this thread, I think Ferguson is playing this very well.
On a subs bench of 7 against Fulham we can accommodate Pogba and even if he doesn't get on he's still part of our Premiership side. If we go a goal or two up it's the perfect time to give Scholes or Giggs a breather and put Pogba on and cement the feeling that he is very much a part of this team and club.
It's a no lose situation really. Unless he plays shite and drop points of course.
One so young and talented, yes.
Ferguson has let a lot of players who have been great servants of the club play out their contract and let them receive a good signing on fee though and similarly he's let a lot of youngsters who won't have a chance of making it here leave and find the best club for themselves rather than demanding a fee.
Notable frees:
Fortune
Schmeichel
Robson
Phelen
Bruce
Van Der Gouw
Barthez
Theres a few more as well I think.
Im still very confident paul will be staying, i think the moment he was let back into training and the first team/reserve squad it was a done deal.
Sure i would love to see proper conformation but i really cant see him leaving now - why would he? He is getting plenty of playing time and we can offer him decent wages.
Sure i would love to see proper conformation but i really cant see him leaving now - why would he? He is getting plenty of playing time and we can offer him decent wages.
This is dragging on too long, if he doesn't want to play for Manchester United then he can feck off. It should be a players dream to play for us, we'll sign someone who actually realizes what it means to play for this club.
As clarified in that post, I was really only thinking about players who we want to hold onto. If they're surplus to requirements then yeah, it happens all the time.
Well, you're not living in reality.
For as long as Fergie keeps talking him up in the press, and keeping him involved in games then we should remain optimistic, as he obviously feels there's a good chance.
If we take players who are either out of contract or in the last year or so:
there have been quite a few but they are youngsters that we want to keep possibly just for cover - but the players themselves realize they are not gonna make it and leave.
Danny Simpson was in that situation as I recall, Richard Eckersley the same - and I know I have read interviews with a couple of more in the same situation. They were offered a short-term contract but rejected it and left.
But these are players whom I believe were mostly offered contracts to be cover for the first-team squad rather than players we really believed would make it.
I'am, some young players arent.
Well there you go. Maybe it happens more often than I thought?
Mind you, I'm sure if we'd really wanted to retain either of those players we could have.
I agree. The only I can think of in all my time in Ronaldo and even there, big mitigating factors like the Player already given us 6 years incl 3 as our best player, it was his publicly stated childhood dream and last we were offered a fee which broke the previous record by 30+%!! He left of good terms.
We may not always get the players we want but once at the club, those SAF wants he almost always gets.
Trust the boss FFS!!!
Sorry - unintentional ambiguity. By 'we' I meant football rather than Manchester United. As you say, this is very much terra nova for us.
But I think recent events have shown that we're no longer immune from the humiliations of player caprice - as we once were.
Pogba may sign tomorrow morning for all I know, but the other scenario looms larger with every passing day.
So the big question: why haven't I heard the 'Fergie Fergie sign him up!' chant when the Pog is on?
Erm......because SAF has offered him to 'sign up' and he's the one stalling.
Clearly our assessment of them was correct as they have not gone on to be of 'United quality', without at disrespecting what they have acheived in thier careers.
Being trained and groomed through United youth schools has made them valuable asstes once they found ththere right level.
Yeah, Pogba is in a different position. He's being offered what most of us would kill for - a chance to play for Manchester United.
But he's French, with a high opinion of his own abilities, and a history of club hopping. Plus a self-serving agent who's pushing him towards another 'big' club.
The longer this drags on the more worrying it becomes. Hard to see the long delay as anything other than suspicious.
The positive is that we've engaged in these games of brinkmanship with players in the past - Rio, Keane... And always come out ahead.
Maybe because he's just a kid with potential?
BTW, for the 3rd time this season, Juve has been fined for racist songs from their fans towards black players. Doubt that will impress Pobga, but there you go
Happened at the West Brom game.
He wants around 1.2 million/yr + a lot of commissions for the pizza man Raiola
In that respect I agree with you 100%
This guy works for United apparently.
It's true, just saw it on an interview for MUTV.
Come on Pogba, sign the damn thing already!
Come on Pogba, sign the damn thing already!
If its on MUTV then confirmation of the quote shouldnt be tricky. Considering a move to Juve would be a step back in terms of league quality, playing time and a huge lack of tolerance towards black people then it should be a no brainer. His agent is probably just playing hardball
Pogba, Cleverley, Hazard, Martinez
Pogba, Cleverley, Hazard, Martinez
We can but dream mate.
Adam Marshall @AdamSMarshall
Slightly more from Sir Alex to MUTV on Pogba: "We think Pogba has a great future at this club. I think we're getting closer to that." #mufc
Just what I've been saying all along.
Seriously, this looks very good. I don't think Fergie would say something like that unless it was almost in the bag.
Slightly more from Sir Alex to MUTV on Pogba: "We think Pogba has a great future at this club. I think we're getting closer to that." #mufc
Just what I've been saying all along.
Seriously, this looks very good. I don't think Fergie would say something like that unless it was almost in the bag.
Whether we, Manchester United or SAF likes it, agents play a very important role in football today. No point moaning about it, its a fact.
Caftards old enough, remember what it was like when you were young, perhaps straight out of college or university, we had ziltch experience in 'life experience'. Its only natural that you would employ somebody you thought you trusted who HAD YOUR BEST INTERESTS at heart. In those situations though, it has to be win win.
I don't blame Pogba or his agent for playing hardball with us. We have done so enough times with players who no longer fitted what we needed (high profile examples being Beckham and Kenae).
I hope this is a situation of the agent trying to get the best deal for Pogba that he can get from us. In my past, when I had several job offers, I expected my headhunter to do the same.
At some point, if SAF really wants him, he will have to past 10% above the market rate for such a talent. There seems to be alot of brinkmanship going on here, and I'm fine with that ..... if SAF really believes in this kid, then after these 'mind games' I hope we come to a compromises in favor of the player that makes him commit.
If he is THAT GOOD, the medium term benefits outweigh the short term sacrifices the club may have to make.
Caftards old enough, remember what it was like when you were young, perhaps straight out of college or university, we had ziltch experience in 'life experience'. Its only natural that you would employ somebody you thought you trusted who HAD YOUR BEST INTERESTS at heart. In those situations though, it has to be win win.
I don't blame Pogba or his agent for playing hardball with us. We have done so enough times with players who no longer fitted what we needed (high profile examples being Beckham and Kenae).
I hope this is a situation of the agent trying to get the best deal for Pogba that he can get from us. In my past, when I had several job offers, I expected my headhunter to do the same.
At some point, if SAF really wants him, he will have to past 10% above the market rate for such a talent. There seems to be alot of brinkmanship going on here, and I'm fine with that ..... if SAF really believes in this kid, then after these 'mind games' I hope we come to a compromises in favor of the player that makes him commit.
If he is THAT GOOD, the medium term benefits outweigh the short term sacrifices the club may have to make.
I can see it happening this summer. Really I can
Seriously? I thought the Hazard stuff was dead in the water anyway after it turned out we weren't even watching him.
We'd have Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, Anderson, Park, Fletcher, Cleverley, Martinez, Pogba & Hazard as an attacking midfielder.
- Status