I got slaughtered last night in the match thread for saying exactly this. He's nowhere near ready to play in the league for us and needs loaning out.
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I got slaughtered last night in the match thread for saying exactly this. He's nowhere near ready to play in the league for us and needs loaning out.
Fair play he always wanted the ball.
Think he tried too hard last night if that makes sense.
Think he tried too hard last night if that makes sense.
Its already been stated that he'll get a few games with us this season. I dont see what your problem is with that. He'll be going on loan next season so its nice to see him get a taster of things instead of just playing in the reserves.
Arguably too raw to be loaned out even, but yes he needs games.
Nope, which is why a lot of people are so excited regarding him.
I'd actually chalk his nervousness mostly down to the lesser-mentioned kind, the kind comprised of your own hyper-awareness of how good you can be, which leaves you absolutely jumping out of your skin at the occasion.
Not the more common OMG-what-if-I-mess-up-and-everyone-sees-me-in-my-underwear-wait-is-that-how-it-goes nervousness.
Anyhoo, it does look like a severe case of loan-itis.
Not every young player who isn't ready for league football needs to be sent out on loan. If anything, a loan could be counter-productive for a teenage boy living in a foreign country. The Rossi, Pique, Macheda loans don't exactly set an encouraging precedent.
Agree he's a long way short of being able to start league games for us.
He needs more time and maybe a loan. The talent was there to see and you never know, he might make a huge step forward in a short time while playing for the first team
There is a young player called Pogba
With skin the same colour as Drogba
But he'd never wear blue
Like a cat wouldn't moo
A pangolin bray, or a frog baa.
With skin the same colour as Drogba
But he'd never wear blue
Like a cat wouldn't moo
A pangolin bray, or a frog baa.
No you didn't, you went off on one about how he and others weren't ready yet and that they needed to develop further and they won't be being called up for regular first team football, all in spite of the fact that nobody had suggested otherwise.
I thought it was good Plech
We need to be objective about things. It was away from home. The game was already won. The player had a slight injury. Some were criticizing Tom Cleverly after 45 minutes of pre season ... and look how he's come on etc. We also had the 'he can't play in midfield'..in spite of the fact he's experienced a variety of positions.
With games, you get your fitness (we know reserves is different to first team), confidence. He gave the ball away about 3/4 times in 45 minutes playing in a side that was thrown together. He's played most of this season out wide or certainly the last few games. I think the question is, how quickly can a young player improve?
At the end of the day, can you really make a decision, for a season, based off of a 45 minutes sub appearence? We had Fryers Carrick as central defenders. In the last 10 minutes we had berbs and Carrick our central defensive pairing. I wonder what Pogbas instructions were? There's so many things to factor in. I think he was a stready 6.8 out of 10. He was economical with the ball. It's a country mile to soon, to say yes no either way but we should look at the game as well, not just the player.
With games, you get your fitness (we know reserves is different to first team), confidence. He gave the ball away about 3/4 times in 45 minutes playing in a side that was thrown together. He's played most of this season out wide or certainly the last few games. I think the question is, how quickly can a young player improve?
At the end of the day, can you really make a decision, for a season, based off of a 45 minutes sub appearence? We had Fryers Carrick as central defenders. In the last 10 minutes we had berbs and Carrick our central defensive pairing. I wonder what Pogbas instructions were? There's so many things to factor in. I think he was a stready 6.8 out of 10. He was economical with the ball. It's a country mile to soon, to say yes no either way but we should look at the game as well, not just the player.
I don't know what people expect from him on his debut.
He was in a pretty mishmash side playing without genuine quality wide players and he did fine.
Could tell that he was thinking about things far too much though, that will improve with experience.
He was in a pretty mishmash side playing without genuine quality wide players and he did fine.
Could tell that he was thinking about things far too much though, that will improve with experience.
Id like to see him play in a proper line up, when we are up by 3 goals.
you make a good point here. He was playing with more defensive discipline than is natural to him, probably because he was instructed to due to the defensive line.
Usually when Sir Alex allows a young player to make their debut he tells them to play their natural game and have fun. Clearly he was given instructions and was thinking about them all the time.
I don't know if anyone noticed but when the young lads were linking up they were playing quick one touch footbal to each other, yet they dawdled on the ball a bit when playing to the senior players.
I was impressed by his one touch passing look ed very composed and took the ball a few times did some nice manouvering to make space and played intelligent balls. Very willing to show and call for the ball. A few stray balls and a lack of running about the pitch the only negatives really and can chalk the scond possibly up to fitness over the knock he is supposed to be carrying.
He looked very nervy - I look forward to seeing him in a more relaxed setting
Its just the understanding you have with players you've been playing with for so many years.
reminds me of wellbeck a couple of seasons ago.
It's just as foolish to decide he needs to be loaned out as it is to decide he should be in the first team squad on the back of last nights game. I don't think we learned anything about any player, except maybe that Owen still looks sharp and would be a decent option off the bench.
About 548 verses too short, though.
It's cute when debutants do this. Like, man am I glad you're in this pickle with me.
would have preferred he started, if he is loaned out at xmas, I hope its in England, possibly to a quality championship team who has a good nurturing manager.
Without doubt though, and only because SAF says, and I never ever doubt SAf, the boy is one of the future, but that is still 2 or 3 years away.
Without doubt though, and only because SAF says, and I never ever doubt SAf, the boy is one of the future, but that is still 2 or 3 years away.
A player can develop without being loaned out. In my opinion, he is the type of player who would develop more with proper coaches at Carrington rather than being loaned out to the likes of Preston to play in a kicking contest.
They can, but there is nothing better then playing competitive football out of the comfort zone of OT. Welbeck et al would have learned a lot from Preston, even if the moves weren't wholly successful.
You're allowed to judge with your own eyes too. SAF is not always right and players don't necessarily develop as expected.
All credit to antoozvidic.
What do you think Macheda learned at Sampdoria and Rossi learned at Newcastle? Probably feck all, since they didn't come back as better players. Maybe it's an English/foreign thing.
Missed the game so cheers for that. He seems to be very comfortable taking the ball under pressure, some nice touches.
Macheda learned a lot and came back far more focused with a better attitude. Just read the interviews pre season.
Give it a year or two and we'll be enjoying a 3 man midfield of Cleverly/Pogba/Anderson 
Give it a year or two and we'll be enjoying a 3 man midfield of Cleverly/Pogba/Anderson
Rossi went to Parma and definitely improved IMO, I don't think it's a foreign thing I just think it's picking the right team to loan them to and picking the right stage in their career.
But has he progressed as a player? You need to develop your game and your mentality. He maybe maturer, but he's not played to progress his game. I think loans are sometimes overrated. It depends on the player. Giggs never went on loan. Becks went on loan for like a handful of games. Scholes never went on loan. I think in the past, it was because our squad was so strong and you couldn't lose a game. I think that's changed completely and some will benefit some won't. It really depends. I mean if we kept him, he'd grow in confidence. He could even end up with a carling cup medal. The more games they play the more comfortable they are. It's staggering how many kids we loan out to lower division clubs that do well. However, that doesn't win people over. It's what you do for United that counts and I don't think there's better exposure then the carling cup and progression that way
Surely attitude and focus are key elements of a player?
I was talking about Newcastle, which was a disaster.
sure they are but what about experiencing games. Getting your confidence and fitness. At the end of the day with what he's learnt, he's still no higher up the pecking order. He still hasn't proven himself as a goalscorer. It's only beneficial if years down the line he's doing the business but that's to be seen of course.
I don't really get your point? I don't think the Sampdoria loan will make or kill his career, but if it has improved his attitude and focus due to the struggle he had there then surely there is long term benefit? If he doesn't make it at United it won't be due to the loan, it will be because he's not good enough.
It's only a personal opinion anyway. I don't think every player has to be loaned to improve. I think a player like Pogba would learn more if he was being trained by the likes of Scholes and learning from the likes of Giggs, Fletcher and Carrick. Not all players have to go on loan. Scholes and Giggs for example didn't need long loan spells to learn their trades. It can be done at the club.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter and it's only an opinion which is quite possibly wrong.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter and it's only an opinion which is quite possibly wrong.
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