He has the looks of a future world class player ... His touch and elegance are amazing.
Paul Pogba
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I don't know if it's my phone or what, but the quotes are all over the place.
I think the loan cost him a year. The club wanted to watch him in England. He may have matured and that's fine but the reality is he brought that on himself. To me it's like someone coming back with their tail between their legs. It was a mistake by him and his agent.
It might benefit him, does it benefit the club? I don't think so. I don't think it changes his standing in the club. It's telling in the carling cup, he's playing on the wing. There's still clearly a lot to be developed game wise and the club know we have other strikers progressing. We don't owe Kiko a career. He has to show his quality on the pitch as well as to the cameras
For me loans are over rated in general, this was in relation to Pogba. Clearly Kiko learnt something but how much has it really helped his united career? No matter what you do for another club, playing for United will always be different. People will disagree of course and that's perfectly fine. There are so many ways to look at the same thing and find benefits to that style of bringing through kids.
If the reserves were more competitive and higher quality then loans wouldn't be an issue.
You only have to hear the interviews with all the young players coming up from the Academy and all are looking to get loan moves during the season so it is what they want too.
You only have to hear the interviews with all the young players coming up from the Academy and all are looking to get loan moves during the season so it is what they want too.
Yeah I agree about the reserves. For me they're just the academy after puberty. I think that's the direction it's gone certainly. With loans but obviously with the long term goal putting the united top on. I just feel if you can do well in the carling cup and such then we can blood kids. There's a certain stigma attached to the whole concept but it's nothing new. Also some players must want to go on loan because they don't think they stand a chance at United. So there there's lots of ways to look at these things
What I really don't like about loans is can you trust the club to look after the player? Welbeck benefited but I don't think anyone appreciated their talk of trying to sign him every five minutes or Newcastle not playing Rossi. Having said that, I watched Newcastle at the time and they were dire. It was completely the wrong club for him. Pity really
I think the reality is that loans can be a very useful stage in a young player's development (and are probably crucial at some point in the career of every young 'un we bring through the ranks) Equally, not all loans are successful, they don't always improve the player concerned and it is possible to develop a young player without sending them out on loan (e.g. the Da Silvas)
As for Macheda, I really like his attitude to the Sampdoria experience. He seems to have matured as a person. I don't think it's helped his game, though. The opposite, if anything. Even though our reserves league isn't the best, I dare say playing for the United reserves (under United coaches) is much better for the development of any young footballer than playing for the reserves (or not at all) for a different club.
There's also unique challenges in sorting out loans for young foreign players, who could easily get un-settled/homesick at another English club. This is why, presumably, we sent Pique and Macheda abroad after the Rossi debacle at Newcastle. The problem there is they don't get experience of English football and they might get tempted with a permanent move to sunnier climes.
We could do to get Pogba coming off the bench when we've got a comfortable lead and something that resembles our first team on the pitch. If he could have one or two cameo's in which he can play the ball round a bit and not be put under pressure then I think it would really settle his nerves. Personally, I don't want to see him go out on loan. I think he's got all the time in the world to develop here and there is no better place for him to do so.
One thing that is worth a mention from the Leeds game is how comfortable our players were in giving him the ball. It showed that they were confident in his ability and the defenders often looked for him in order for him to start building plays.
Nerves affected him in that game but I know from watching him that he is capable of much more. He'll look a different player once we've given him a few more run outs and those that haven't seen him much through the ranks will have a better understanding of his capabilities. I think that is when we should discuss what is best for him as we might well find that he is capable of playing in some Premiership games soon, which is obviously the better than a loan would be for his development.
One thing that is worth a mention from the Leeds game is how comfortable our players were in giving him the ball. It showed that they were confident in his ability and the defenders often looked for him in order for him to start building plays.
Nerves affected him in that game but I know from watching him that he is capable of much more. He'll look a different player once we've given him a few more run outs and those that haven't seen him much through the ranks will have a better understanding of his capabilities. I think that is when we should discuss what is best for him as we might well find that he is capable of playing in some Premiership games soon, which is obviously the better than a loan would be for his development.
I don't see the point of loaning him out. It's not like we're blessed with options on midfield so he's likely to get the odd few games here and there.
Anyone else think he still looks a season away from making any sort of impact in the first team? Of course injyries to the regular first teamers could change that.
Depends, he needs more of a test before we can really judge him. Leeds had pretty much given up when he was brought on. He was very good at shielding the ball when under pressure though, calm and composed.
Maybe he could start Norwich at home.
I know he is extremely inexperienced, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had a small part to play in a league game or two this season.
Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley... they all needed some time before stepping up to the highest level of game... Paul is definitely a material for solid midfielder but I think we will need to wait a season or maybe two, before his potential fully kicks in with the first team standards.
Most important is that he started to receive chances. Fergie clearly have some faith in him.
Most important is that he started to receive chances. Fergie clearly have some faith in him.
I like the fact that he kept it simple on the ground like Cleverley does but he also sprayed the ball cross field if he needed to. A good start. Hopefully he will get more chances this season and can be a regular in two years time.
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Adam Marshall (@AdamSMarshall)
10/7/11 9:52 AM
Paul Pogba has been registered in the Champions League, no. 42 shirt, with #mufc
10/7/11 9:52 AM
Paul Pogba has been registered in the Champions League, no. 42 shirt, with #mufc
Interesting... we have to qualify first though! 
Interesting... we have to qualify first though!
He can play in any remaining group game.
That will be him registered on the "B list" as he's been at the club two years this week. Wouldn't read much into it. He gets in the squad as a freebie.
Would be more excited if we had 6 points and the likelihood of a meaningless final group game.
Yeah, can't see a situation where he plays now. Every group game is going to be too important.
Nice little confidence booster for him all the same.
He used the word Mancunian? This guy's a smooth operator.
Manchester United face fight to hold onto Paul Pogba - News - MirrorFootball.co.uk
It's 99% a bollox story (No quotes).
But is he really a free agent next summer?
It's 99% a bollox story (No quotes).
But is he really a free agent next summer?
SAF has mentioned it before.
I'd assumed a new deal was in the works.
I'd assumed a new deal was in the works.
Next summer? No
I think its the summer after. 2013
I can't image us simply letting him go on a free.
Why would we not give him a contract? He has been splendid since he came here. SAF is a fan of him, so everything will be fine. We have been giving contract extensions to quite a few players over the last few months, so I am sure it is only a matter of time before Pogba gets one too.
He gave Pogba as one of the reasons why he didn't lash out millions on a mf signing. He'll be telling the boy there's a place for him in the squad and all is going to plan.
A story likely planted by Pogba's agent.
Yup...new contract, better wages, yet another opportunity for the agent to get a cut.
Like Fergie cares...not traveling with the CL squad(some thought he might be a bolter with the opposition being perceived as so weak)
His contract runs out in 2 years according to Fergie in the summer.
He does admit that there's a possibility he would leave if he didn't get first team action, but he's slowly getting edged in this season so I don't think he's going anywhere.
It's just a journo filling a few column inches.
Now that everyone knows players can enter into talks with other clubs when they've 12 months left on their contract all the journalists need to do is do a quick search for talented youngsters with 2 years remaining left on their contract. He presto, the "Fight to Hold Onto.." article writes itself.
Now that everyone knows players can enter into talks with other clubs when they've 12 months left on their contract all the journalists need to do is do a quick search for talented youngsters with 2 years remaining left on their contract. He presto, the "Fight to Hold Onto.." article writes itself.
Relax I'm sure we let Cleverley's contract run into the final 6 months or so before we gave him a deal, Pogba won't being going anywhere.
Not worth reading, just old quotes by SAF about having to give Pogba chances due to his quality.
I say him getting in the papers with these nonsense rumors just shows that he's on the right track. It's when the media ignore you that you need to worry!
Arsenal waiting to nab Paul Pogba from Manchester United | Metro.co.uk
I say him getting in the papers with these nonsense rumors just shows that he's on the right track. It's when the media ignore you that you need to worry!
Arsenal waiting to nab Paul Pogba from Manchester United | Metro.co.uk
They need to get a computer program to write these articles, there's no point giving a human money for something that's so formulaic and lacking in anything resembling journalism.
Pogba out of contract in the summer???
After controversially getting him from Le Harve a few seasons ago, Manchester United may lose Paul Pogba in a very similar circumstance, unless they secure him on a new long-term deal soon.
Pogba is head & shoulders above others, literally
It's been rumored that Arsene Wenger could be sniffing around trying to lure him to Arsenal, and the young midfielder is out of contract in the summer, so he could very well start talking to other clubs in January.
Sir Alex Ferguson must know that this kid is a stud, and that players, like him, don't come around every year, so if he lets him get away, it would be one of the most disappointing - especially considering our midfield problems.
What's most amazing is that the Gaffer has openly admitted that Pogba needs to be playing and if he doesn't, he will leave.
"If we hold Pogba back, what’s going to happen? He’s going to leave. You know, in a couple of years’ time when his contract is going to finish. So we have to give him the opportunity to see how he can do in the first-team and he’s got great ability."
What has he done, Pogba has played one game in 2011/12 - a 45 minute cameo against Leeds United in the Carling Cup, after the game was dead and buried.
Does Ferguson think that he's not ready for the senior team, yet? It's baffling, because there have been some games where he could've been included in the first team, at least the bench, but instead he's been fielded in the reserves.
According to young midfielder, there was an option for him to gain the valuable experience of playing in the first team, but, for some reason or another, Sir Alex has kept him at Old Trafford.
"A possible loan to a Championship club was discussed early in the season, but Sir Alex said he did not want me to leave. That makes me want to prove he was right in trusting me.
I am proud of what I’m doing. I’m getting closer to the first team and I hope to progress further this season.
I always dreamed of playing teams like Chelsea and Liverpool and now it’s coming true."
In a few days' time, there shouldn't be any doubt that Paul Pogba should be starting against Aldershot Town in the Fourth Round of the Carling Cup, but if he doesn't, his days at Manchester United are numbered.
Why This Would Be A Huge Mistake By Sir Alex Ferguson | The United Religion | A Manchester United Blog
anybody hear about this?
After controversially getting him from Le Harve a few seasons ago, Manchester United may lose Paul Pogba in a very similar circumstance, unless they secure him on a new long-term deal soon.
Pogba is head & shoulders above others, literally
It's been rumored that Arsene Wenger could be sniffing around trying to lure him to Arsenal, and the young midfielder is out of contract in the summer, so he could very well start talking to other clubs in January.
Sir Alex Ferguson must know that this kid is a stud, and that players, like him, don't come around every year, so if he lets him get away, it would be one of the most disappointing - especially considering our midfield problems.
What's most amazing is that the Gaffer has openly admitted that Pogba needs to be playing and if he doesn't, he will leave.
"If we hold Pogba back, what’s going to happen? He’s going to leave. You know, in a couple of years’ time when his contract is going to finish. So we have to give him the opportunity to see how he can do in the first-team and he’s got great ability."
What has he done, Pogba has played one game in 2011/12 - a 45 minute cameo against Leeds United in the Carling Cup, after the game was dead and buried.
Does Ferguson think that he's not ready for the senior team, yet? It's baffling, because there have been some games where he could've been included in the first team, at least the bench, but instead he's been fielded in the reserves.
According to young midfielder, there was an option for him to gain the valuable experience of playing in the first team, but, for some reason or another, Sir Alex has kept him at Old Trafford.
"A possible loan to a Championship club was discussed early in the season, but Sir Alex said he did not want me to leave. That makes me want to prove he was right in trusting me.
I am proud of what I’m doing. I’m getting closer to the first team and I hope to progress further this season.
I always dreamed of playing teams like Chelsea and Liverpool and now it’s coming true."
In a few days' time, there shouldn't be any doubt that Paul Pogba should be starting against Aldershot Town in the Fourth Round of the Carling Cup, but if he doesn't, his days at Manchester United are numbered.
Why This Would Be A Huge Mistake By Sir Alex Ferguson | The United Religion | A Manchester United Blog
anybody hear about this?
The author is a right moaner but no I wasn't aware he was out of contract in the summer, probably be easily sorted.
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