Considering we went our and lured him to United with a nice contract, it's not that outrageous to think he cares more about the money than playing for United. Of course it's nice when a young player loves the club, but it's a lot to expect from a young talent we lured recently from another country.
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It'l be a shame to lose 2 of our most talented youngsters in such quick succession but Pogba leaving wont surprise me in the slightest. He isnt a local lad, he hasnt been at the club long enough and does not feel the way we do for the club as fans.
Juve, if reports are true, are a club with good credentials and great history and if he's given higher wages, i see him leaving. He has as much of a chance if not better of playing there than he does here.
Juve, if reports are true, are a club with good credentials and great history and if he's given higher wages, i see him leaving. He has as much of a chance if not better of playing there than he does here.
That is bullshit. We always give chances to our youngsters, especially if they have the potential and a little patience. Juventus aren't exactly know for that. They do give chances but they prefer to buy their stars.
No.
Juventus are more renowned in developing stars (ie buy someone young, preferably on cheap and make him a star) then actually producing stars themselves, however they do have a knack with kids.
Juve are actually known just like United for creating stars. Rather than just buying them.
With the current state of finances in the Serie A, do you really believe the likes of Juve are going to buy stars in the near future? The same cannot be said of us though seeing as we were in the market for a midfielder in the summer.
But saying he will more chances there is not correct, especially with our current midfield situation. We don't have anyone great. Scholes might not come back next season. Too many injury problems. If Pogba signs an extension, there is every chance he could start playing for the first team soon.
I travel to Italy regularly and I went to Barcelona twice. Comparing Manchester with lets say Firenze or Roma is a bit.....
Well, I visit all 3 cuntries regually. I'd much rather go to Rome for a weekend break than Manchester but I'd much rather live in Manchester. Standard of living is much more than just food, weather and historic buildings.
It's not like he's getting any chances at United right now so I doubt he will think 'feck that, I should stay at United, I'll play more there'.
Pogba isnt close to being great either. He's in the same boat as the likes of cleverley and ando and slightly behind them. Considering all 3 are going to compete for the role of carrick's partner long term and with giggsy too in the mix for the next year or so, it isnt as if pogba's very close to cementing a place. few odd games here and there, yes, but he'd get that at juve too.
As i said, gametime would be the same, so if he's offered higher wages, you can see why he's want to move. he isnt a fan nor a local lad, just been at the club few yrs.
am not defending this saga anyways, i want him to stay and think it'd be better for his career long term, but, i wont be surprised if he moves because of the reasons i've mentioned.
Daily Star coming out with tripe that he is leaving. Im actually thinking he might stay now as the Daily star always prints the opposite of what ends up happeneing
There seem to be a considerable number of posters on here who are making some wild generalisations and assumptions about Juventus.
Juventus have one of the finest youth systems in Europe in my opinion. In fact, in the last week or so their youngsters have won the highly acclaimed Viareggio Tournament and reached the Primavera Coppa Italia final in which they are favourites to win. I think they have won the Primavera (youth league in Italy) 6-7 times in the past 10 years. In my opinion, Juventus have the best academy in Italy.
Sure, one thing that can be levelled at Juventus is that they perhaps have not given their youngsters enough time in the first team. As someone who has always followed Juventus closely, I have actually been frustrated by this too. Players like Sebastian Giovinco (co-owned with Parma), Antonio Nocerino (Milan), Domenico Criscito (Zenit) etc are some of the more well-known players who have left but when you look at some Serie A clubs you really see how many of them have played for Juventus in their youth development at one time or another.
In that sense, us and Juventus are very similar in that we have a very high success rate in terms of our youngsters becoming players in the premier division within our domestic leagues. However, it is a lot to expect these players to become first teamers at clubs who are at the pinnacle of European football. That's the same at pretty much every top club in Europe who do not have more than about 3-5 players from their own youth system in their regular first team squad.
Also, Juventus do not buy world class players. Similar to us again, they buy players with potential and develop them. Look at their squad this season and that is evident to see. Players like Lichtsteiner, Pepe, Quagliarella, Bonucci, Vidal, Giaccherini and even Matri and Barzagli are all players who showed potential at their previous clubs but have developed at Juventus and have been great this season. None of these players individually were world-class, but they were bought shrewdly as part of a team which is a very similar approach to us.
Lastly, bringing everything back to Paul Pogba. Once again, us and Juventus are in the same boat where we are going for a league title so perhaps it is not the best time to blood youngsters. Juventus have a talented young midfielder, Luca Marrone (couple of years older than Pogba), who Antonio Conte really believes in but he has barely been given a chance so I don't think that this season at least that Pogba would have been involved more than he has been with us to be honest. The most evident position of weakness (in terms of depth) is definitely central midfield, like us again, at Juventus as they only have Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, Marrone and Padoin (seen as a stop-gap) who are natural CMs vying for those 3 positions in midfield which isn't enough.
A key element to remember is also that Mino Raiola took Ouasim Buoy (18) to Juventus from Ajax last month, and so it certainly isn't outside the realms of possibility that the same thing could happen with another youngster of the same age to another club who are also short of midfielders.
Juventus have one of the finest youth systems in Europe in my opinion. In fact, in the last week or so their youngsters have won the highly acclaimed Viareggio Tournament and reached the Primavera Coppa Italia final in which they are favourites to win. I think they have won the Primavera (youth league in Italy) 6-7 times in the past 10 years. In my opinion, Juventus have the best academy in Italy.
Sure, one thing that can be levelled at Juventus is that they perhaps have not given their youngsters enough time in the first team. As someone who has always followed Juventus closely, I have actually been frustrated by this too. Players like Sebastian Giovinco (co-owned with Parma), Antonio Nocerino (Milan), Domenico Criscito (Zenit) etc are some of the more well-known players who have left but when you look at some Serie A clubs you really see how many of them have played for Juventus in their youth development at one time or another.
In that sense, us and Juventus are very similar in that we have a very high success rate in terms of our youngsters becoming players in the premier division within our domestic leagues. However, it is a lot to expect these players to become first teamers at clubs who are at the pinnacle of European football. That's the same at pretty much every top club in Europe who do not have more than about 3-5 players from their own youth system in their regular first team squad.
Also, Juventus do not buy world class players. Similar to us again, they buy players with potential and develop them. Look at their squad this season and that is evident to see. Players like Lichtsteiner, Pepe, Quagliarella, Bonucci, Vidal, Giaccherini and even Matri and Barzagli are all players who showed potential at their previous clubs but have developed at Juventus and have been great this season. None of these players individually were world-class, but they were bought shrewdly as part of a team which is a very similar approach to us.
Lastly, bringing everything back to Paul Pogba. Once again, us and Juventus are in the same boat where we are going for a league title so perhaps it is not the best time to blood youngsters. Juventus have a talented young midfielder, Luca Marrone (couple of years older than Pogba), who Antonio Conte really believes in but he has barely been given a chance so I don't think that this season at least that Pogba would have been involved more than he has been with us to be honest. The most evident position of weakness (in terms of depth) is definitely central midfield, like us again, at Juventus as they only have Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, Marrone and Padoin (seen as a stop-gap) who are natural CMs vying for those 3 positions in midfield which isn't enough.
A key element to remember is also that Mino Raiola took Ouasim Buoy (18) to Juventus from Ajax last month, and so it certainly isn't outside the realms of possibility that the same thing could happen with another youngster of the same age to another club who are also short of midfielders.
What he should be doing is thinking Hmmmm morrison might be on more cash but is at a second tier club playing in front of zenophobic 1966 obsesed cockney pissheads at a yoyo club....what a waste, I think ill stay at the club that wins titles and european trophies.....the money and game time will come soon enough. But sadly like a large amount of the teenagers theese days they think rather than hard work and patience its more a case of stamping feet and shouting but i really want it NOW.
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I am so impressed with that black cat - he is so far behind coming through that door, but he makes a brilliant turn and overtakes cat number 2. If he can get out of the blocks slightly quicker - he could be challenging for first spot!
Are we recalling Tunicliffe because we know that Pogba is going?
First cat went through different doors though - whether he was wrong to do so or the other two cats made a mistake is unknown.
But we have those midfield problems now and he is barely getting a look in.
If Juventus come in with an offer of more first team football, coupled with a better contract, of course he will leave. He is not a local kid and has no allegiance to United. If he goes, good luck to him. We could have kept him if we wanted. It's not as if he is leaving Old Trafford for some shite club like West Ham, it's Juventus.
Cat number 2 is fecking clumsy
It fell down because of too much weight but I wouldn't read too much into it. It's a good looking cat as well.
He didn't attack the turn well
He would, but there are others out there and buying a replacement kid with potential who has yet to make any impact on the first team is very much in our abilities.
Perhaps because he underestimated the real pace of the black cat, who knows. Still, I think the fact that first cat ran through other exit skews results a little.
We didn't fail miserably with adding quality to midfield. Our midfield is good - Carrick is quality, Cleverley and Anderson are decent, Scholes and Giggs are still class.
What about the fact that Pogba has a window of opportunity at this pivotal stage in his career/life -- but with the mystery of when Fergie is leaving, he doesn't want to take the chance and then have the next manager leaving him in the cold.
Why not leave for a place that has a system in place for grooming youngsters regardless of a revolving door managerial position?
Why not leave for a place that has a system in place for grooming youngsters regardless of a revolving door managerial position?
I might be extremely cynical but the way I see it is that the move is more money orientated than anything else.Why would he take a risk leaving a place he's known,people he's known in a known environment to take a risk at this stage of his career ?
What's the rush ? There is none, the money is ultimately the thing that can make people do the most stupid things
how is that even relevant? theres a major airport in Manchester, he can fly to those places if he wants
Are we to infer then that he chose 'never play for United again' as opposed to 'sign this new contract by the end of the week' because he's not on the bench for this crucial away game
Quite probable considering we have 0 CMs on the bench.
So Pogbas going then?
Not on the bench for Norwich too, seems telling that
I thought the Ajax omission did. Not today. We've got Amos, Berbatov, Smalling, Park, Young, Fabio and Rafael on the bench. He could have taken the place of one of the Da Silva's, but overall I don't see why he should be on the bench. He's not a game changer, he's someone you bring on when the game is safe, and it's a bit of a luxury in a match like this.
We've got one at right back and one on left wing. Both are more likely to be moved to midfield in case of an injury instead of an 18 year old coming on.
He's a kid. Why because he's left out of a squad is it a bad thing?
He's a reserve team player. Not a first team regular.
He will be in the odd game on the bench that we might want to bring him on for 20 minutes, just to give him a run out. He's not an important player yet, why is everyone acting like he is. I'd be surprised to see him get more than 2 hours of football for the rest of the season and consider it normal.
He's a reserve team player. Not a first team regular.
He will be in the odd game on the bench that we might want to bring him on for 20 minutes, just to give him a run out. He's not an important player yet, why is everyone acting like he is. I'd be surprised to see him get more than 2 hours of football for the rest of the season and consider it normal.
Because he's seemingly on the precipice of leaving and naturally people are looking at game-time, or at least a spot on the bench as a way to avoid losing another of our highest rated youngsters.
Up until this point he's been on the bench for the last 10 or so games even when we were close to having everyone back. Also, we don't have a single cm on the bench for this game so you would think having him there would make a lot of sense.
I'm not jumping to conclusions but it doesn't look great.
I like cat A, he is a trier. What with his ears pinned back and little White feet all a blur.
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