What would the use be in extending his contract without him wanting to stay here? Atleast this way we're getting some money for him, rather then allowing him to leave on a free. We could take a stance, extend his contract by a year and let him rot without getting a game for the reserves, but we're not that kind of club.
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What would the use be in extending his contract without him wanting to stay here? Atleast this way we're getting some money for him, rather then allowing him to leave on a free. We could take a stance, extend his contract by a year and let him rot without getting a game for the reserves, but we're not that kind of club.
Again acknowledging that we know almost nothing, we may have been too rigid, stuck too much to 'principle'. Certainly the outcome could hardly have worse. Our two finest young talents gone in the space of a few weeks.
Those who succeed in a changine world are those who adapt most quickly to change. Football is changing very fast indeed. Fergie himself has talked about this. The need to be much more 'conciliatory' with players now than in the past.
Our attitude to our top young talents may need to be reviewed. We're losing an awful lot. Pique, Rossi, Morrison, Pogba, arguably the 4 top products of the Academy in recent years, all gone. Without having really played for us. That could be £70M\£100M that's walked out the door in 4 years.
It still comes back to our ignorance, of course. Morrison was a twat, and Fergie saw Pogba in training every day. Maybe he simply decided he wasn't worth the money?
Talking about stuff you know nothing about is so much fun.
Extend his contract by a year, and say to him if Juve fancy you that much then see how much they offer for you. If his head has been turned by the fact that Juve rate him then surely they'd make a decent bid for him? With his contract ending we're getting compensation only. Extend his deal and tell him we'll accept an offer we deem worthy of his talents, if it's really what he wants. Maybe all these big clubs not jumping to throw big sums at us to buy him might give him the kick in the hole he needs, and show him that in fact no, he isn't ready to be the superstar yet.
He'll spend next season on his arse on the bench at Juve, at best.
I'm actually not sure this one year option ever existed.
I remember someone saying it wasn't even legal for a player of that age.
We fecked about offering Tev a new contract leaving it till the last minute and we lost him too. Not sure if it's similar or not but still seems to be part of a vague pattern of contract dallying.
The situation is different of course but were struggling to keep our best players, even Rooney wanted out.
The situation is different of course but were struggling to keep our best players, even Rooney wanted out.
Again acknowledging that we know almost nothing, we may have been too rigid, stuck too much to 'principle'. Certainly the outcome could hardly have worse. Our two finest young talents gone in the space of a few weeks.
Those who succeed in a changine world are those who adapt most quickly to change. Football is changing very fast indeed. Fergie himself has talked about this. The need to be much more 'conciliatory' with players now than in the past.
Our attitude to our top young talents may need to be reviewed. We're losing an awful lot. Pique, Rossi, Morrison, Pogba, arguably the 4 top products of the Academy in recent years, all gone. Without having really played for us. That could be £70M\£100M that's walked out the door in 4 years.
It still comes back to our ignorance, of course. Morrison was a twat, and Fergie saw Pogba in training every day. Maybe he simply decided he wasn't worth the money?
Talking about stuff you know you know nothing about is so much fun.
First of all, Morrison was a non brainer. If you didn't know he was a gonner, you did as soon as he opened his big mouth on twitter.
If Pogba wasn't worth the money, we wouldn't have offered a contract....
You think at 18 you're the finished product? That is why wages increase...Apparently the 12 month extension can't be legally activated as it was signed into a youth contract.
I'd guess it is because Youth Contracts have a maximum length but I don't really know.
Fergie lied then, which seems pointless.
He's gone now, no use whingeing about it, b*ll*x to him, let's find the next one.....
Sh*t happens , may be he'll be a star turn at the Bianconeri and elsewhere, and John Motson may commentate "POGBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
or - may be we'll never hear about him again....
Sh*t happens , may be he'll be a star turn at the Bianconeri and elsewhere, and John Motson may commentate "POGBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
or - may be we'll never hear about him again....
We're getting money for him now because of the 1 year extention (I assume). If we didnt have the option to extend his contract by one more year, then Pogba would be able to go on a free transfer rather then Juve having to pay for him this year. Why would they make a decent bid for him when they are able to get him for free? He might be spending his time on the bench for Juve next season, but atleast he wont be our problem anymore.
Yes, we're struggling to keep our best players, and Rooney wanted out, which is precisely why he signed a new long term contract.
And what best players are we "struggling to keep"? A couple of kids from our youth team who have done absolutely feck all to be lauded as our "best players".
I despair of this place sometimes.
This makes the club look vulnerable in my opinion. When did we ever lose our best up and coming talent before?
Negative. It appears we are getting a compensation fee believed to be around £300k.
Aside from the 12 month extension rumour being false as I have said above, what would the value in keeping him for a year be?
If he's agreed terms with Juve, we'd either be:
A. Developing him for them while paying his wages for a year.
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B. Actively stagnating his progress. That would make us look like (and be) bitter twats and it'd hardly be a glowing message to potential young signings would it?
If anything, I think this makes the club look stronger. We're not giving into agents/youngsters demands, and we're keeping our wage-structure intact. If they are not willing to prove themselves, they can find another club. If we gave into these sorts of demands, we would look more voulnerable then if we let the youngsters go.
No, we're getting money for him now because of his age and the fact that you have to pay compensation for a young player whether he's out of contract or not.
If we had the option to sign him up for a year then we'd take it and he'd be going absolutely nowhere just yet, unless we received a fee suitable to us. The £300,000 isn't a fee that we have accepted, it's a compensation payment. Why would we accept such a paltry amount when we turned down much higher for Morriosn with half a season left on his deal?
Or it makes the club look strong and shows that we have principles. At the end of the day there will be other players and not all of them will jump ship at the slightest chance of more money.
This was always going to be a problem when they introduced that rediculous rule of finding youth players within a certain radius of the clubs ground. As Fergie said, it meant that they had to go abroad to find youth players with potential and these players can't have the same growing loyalty and patient hard work eithic as some of the UK based players. Now that the rules have changed, Fergie says he will search more here and develop young players brought up with the history and club traditions of British football.
Why do you put it down solely to money?..(ash G)
I know, this is exactly the type of scenario which Wayne outlined would happen, and now I finally understand why he wanted to go.
Ah right, from what I read we were getting a £1,5m fee. I dont think the 12 month extention would be false though, as Fergie himself confirmed it existed. I agree with you on the other part though. If he's already agreed terms with Juve, then there is no point forcing him to stay. It will look bad on the club, and not serve any purpose but to stall the development of a young kid. That's simply not how we do things in our club.
That's the part I've misunderstood though. I was fairly certain that we were receiving a transfer fee rather then a compensation. I dont think that we would've used the extention if we knew that he'd just leave at the end of next season, because honestly; What would be the point? It would make us look petty and bitter, and we're not that kind of a club.
They were our best young players though. Morrison, in particular, was a potential superstar.
Sign him up and sell him to the highest bidder. Then the kid would soon see his worth. It's easy for a club to promise him the world and stick him on a half decent wage in the knowledge that they've shelled no initial fee out on him. We'd soon see how interested the likes of Juve are when they have to spend money to get him.
I have the feeling he thinks if he goes to Juve he'll be closer to first team action, I actually think they've fed him the line that they want him for now, and not just the future, and that he's jumped for football now, as well as the extra cash.
They wouldn't be signing him now if they had to pay a proper fee for him, it's clear he's not just ready yet.
I have the feeling he thinks if he goes to Juve he'll be closer to first team action, I actually think they've fed him the line that they want him for now, and not just the future, and that he's jumped for football now, as well as the extra cash.
They wouldn't be signing him now if they had to pay a proper fee for him, it's clear he's not just ready yet.
Again acknowledging that we know almost nothing, we may have been too rigid, stuck too much to 'principle'. Certainly the outcome could hardly have worse. Our two finest young talents gone in the space of a few weeks.
Those who succeed in a changine world are those who adapt most quickly to change. Football is changing very fast indeed. Fergie himself has talked about this. The need to be much more 'conciliatory' with players now than in the past.
Our attitude to our top young talents may need to be reviewed. We're losing an awful lot. Pique, Rossi, Morrison, Pogba, arguably the 4 top products of the Academy in recent years, all gone. Without having really played for us. That could be £70M\£100M that's walked out the door in 4 years.
It still comes back to our ignorance, of course. Morrison was a twat, and Fergie saw Pogba in training every day. Maybe he simply decided he wasn't worth the money?
Talking about stuff you know nothing about is so much fun.
Interesting that 3 out of the 4 are foreigners, and the only homebrew one was a money grabbing thief.
I don't think we're the "sexy" club we used to be. We're the team that keeps going, but we're aged. We rely on an old manager, two veteran old players, and our football is not the sexy kind any more. Although we're winning, maybe we aren't the young dog we still imagine we are.
Winning isn't everything to players these days. They care where they play, what kind of football the club plays, the culture at the club, and money. We represent tradition and loyalty.
I think locally (i.e. UK and Ireland) we're still seen as one of the top billings. But I think abroad, we're going to run into more difficult situations. We've been raped twice by Barca and got booted from CL this season, and while we're winning and still competing, it's slow and steady, instead of fast and dangerous.
I love the club and I'm proud of what we stand for and hope we keep attracting "our" kind of players. I just think most players today are looking for other qualities.
Potential superstar, bona fide moron. I know which one sounds more likely to me.
Clearly a good young player, who was a massive bell-end. We're well rid, given the fecking about he did.
Pogba, looks a class act, seems more grounded personality wise, but has had his head turned.
Goodbye boys, and good luck. You've just taken a step down.
How many big name players have said through the years that when you leave United the only way is down? Pity these young kids don't realise it. The grass is always greener eh?
Its a shame to have lost 2 of our best youngsters in such a short time specially considering our policy of giving youth a chance to prove themselves more than most other clubs.
Does say quite a bit about the direction modern football is going though and how everyone involved even at the lower levels want a greater share of the action. That said, am not sure how with the state of finances in italian football in general, juve could be offering substantially more than us in wages. Has to have more to do with his agent getting a great fee and pogba listening to the wrong guy here.
Does say quite a bit about the direction modern football is going though and how everyone involved even at the lower levels want a greater share of the action. That said, am not sure how with the state of finances in italian football in general, juve could be offering substantially more than us in wages. Has to have more to do with his agent getting a great fee and pogba listening to the wrong guy here.
I 'll say it again, well done to club on this one.
I think the problem is the higher profile the kids have now. They eat with the players and sometimes train with them. They get interviewed on mutv, get shown on the channel plenty - to the point perhaps they think they've made it.
I think that power they have now with the channel, with youtube/facebook/twitter and whatever is the issue. As much as i enjoy watching the academy/reserves - unfortunately.
Just do a search for these kids and they're all over google. It's terrible for the game.
When you add in the fact we're leaving it late to talk contracts - it's bad news. Maybe the Pogbas of this world don't stay here for 20 years but he's the type who could have built a real career here and people thinking it's easy for him to leave. His brother plays in England. It's not THAT easy
If a player can't see the very obvious benefits of playing under Sir Alex Ferguson for Manchester United, then I really couldn't care less.
Sir Alex being at the helm is a reason why players would want to come here, not otherwise.
Also, we arent dependent on giggs and scholes at all. Not even close. They are part of a squad which has quite a few players that are much more important at the moment than them.
There are very few teams that play better football than us and even fewer that have a better culture.
this season's CL was an aberration. We've been fantastic for a while second only to Barca in terms of the success we've had. In any case, if a player didnt want to move to a club that loses to barca, he wouldnt have a club to move to unless barca wanted him. They are the best team in the world bar none atm. Losing to them in CL finals is not going to lead players to not want to come here. Cmon.
In general, i'd say both Real and Barca are definitely more attractive prepositions for players, has always been the case. Other than that, there's nothing to say that other clubs are more lucrative options specially not the likes of Juve which is where pogba's going.
With this agent every summer he'd be linked with another club and then agitate for more money. We've probably made the call that no matter what happens, we won't allow ourselves to be dictated to by a player who so far has contributed nothing.
Which is fair enough, in my book.
Juventus have told BBC Sport they will not be commenting on reports they have agreed a deal to sign Manchester United midfielder Paul Pogba.
probably it has all been done in silence behind our back...
probably it has all been done in silence behind our back...
To the Andreas Pereira-thread! Much more talented then Pogba anyways!
Just quoting this beauty so it isn't missed by anyone. The grammar, the spelling, the assumptions - everything about it is just fantastic. Post of the year - nay, post of the century.
So two so called "saviors" from our academy are gone in a space of almost only a month.
While its understandable that all of us are disappointed with the whole pogba and morrison fiasco. I find it hard to blame the club.
Do we really want Raiola to hold us for ransom every summer while whoring Pogba to every half decent club for a fat bonus.
It wasn't so long ago when everyone was so tired of the Rooney fiasco they wanted him to leave. Once again I don't see how the club can be blamed. What has happened is sad but I am sure we will move on as we have countless times in the past.
Do we really want Raiola to hold us for ransom every summer while whoring Pogba to every half decent club for a fat bonus.
It wasn't so long ago when everyone was so tired of the Rooney fiasco they wanted him to leave. Once again I don't see how the club can be blamed. What has happened is sad but I am sure we will move on as we have countless times in the past.
So two so called "saviors" from our academy are gone in a space of almost only a month.
In the next few years we'll have Dæhli, Januzaj and Pereira though.
your right i dont know that fergie hasnt spoke to him. but i do know that he's asked evra and rio to talk to him. So either he has and isnt capable of convincing him. Or he hasnt and has no intention of doing so. Either way, its not good is it?
"Phil Jones is a vastly better player than him in the centre of midfield" - repeat that sentence in a couple of years time and you'll be laughed at. its almost laughable now that you think phil jones is a good centre midfield player. charlie adam bummed him all over anfield. Explain rafa da silva being selected before him afte being out for months. Me and you can argue all we want about this point but its irrelevant. mY point was simply that he will be pissed off that he's not getting involved in favour of those two in his position and the agent will have used that to talk him round to leaving. Our opinion of Jones, da silva or pogba being the better midfielder is absolutley irrelevant im sure pogba thinks he's a better footballing midfielder than those two.
also......if all the facts about what we have offered and what juve have offered......he's hardly being greedy is he???
Pogba can feck off if he couldn't earn and wait for his chance.
Although his agent can say anything, 18 years is not an age where you dont have a brain of your own.If he wanted more money somewhere else ( though he will claim he left for first team chances
) he can feck right off!
In the next few years we'll have Dæhli, Januzaj and Pereira though.
Have heard the 3 of them are as talented as the two that left.
Never seen them play much though.
Morrison had his chances and the club was fed up and Pogba's agent is a massive twat. Caving in this time would just mean we'd have to cave in a few years time when it was time to negotiate again. United isn't to blame in either case as I see it.
I think the main reason why people are reacting this strongly is that a large part of the reason we didn't sign an established central midfield player in the summer was because we had some big talent in Morrison and Pogba coming through. We basically jeopardised a season for future gain. If Scholes hadn't made his come back our midfield would look extremely weak, as it seems that Anderson isn't rated by Fergie at the moment and Cleverley has been very unlucky with injuries.
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