But you have to give the lad a chance. Imagine applying that logic to the class of '92
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But you have to give the lad a chance. Imagine applying that logic to the class of '92
It's amazing how much smarter than SAF and Gill we all are. Or maybe we just don't know everything about the decision making process. What do you think?
Is this the class of 92 who were committed to the club, bided their time to be given first team chances (most at an older age than Pogba), with one of the "main five" retiring at the club, with two of the other four still here and set to retire at the club? (the other two, though not retiring at the club, gave it years of dedicated service, before moving on to pastures new).
Do you ever recall any of Giggs, Scholes, G Neville, Beckham or Butt refuse to sign a contract as a teenager and manoeuvre themselves into position for a move to another club? The class of 92 were happy to stay loyal to the club and wait for their chance, and reaped the benefits.
There is no comparison to Pogba to be made here.
You have gravely misunderstood what I was highlighting then. I wasn't talking about any of that. I said you have to give the lad a chance rather than saying you've not played a vital part to the first team so off you go.
I'm not overly bothered. He may be a terrific talent, but I'm not at all sure we have time to wait for him to grow up and I do fear we might have done that, we're always a little wary about blocking the road for young players. Maybe if we've handled the midfield situation better in recent years it would have been different, but we haven't and we really need players who can make a difference now.
You could say Pogba staying or going would make no difference, but the fact is we've avoided signing a midfield player for a while now. Maybe that would push Fergie towards the market.
You could say Pogba staying or going would make no difference, but the fact is we've avoided signing a midfield player for a while now. Maybe that would push Fergie towards the market.
If he leaves it's not because he is being forced out, if he leaves it's because he isn't prepared to wait for his chance, seemingly. That was my point. The class of 92 were prepared to wait for their chance, Pogba isn't, and therefore, rather than being denied the chance to stake his claim, he himself is removing himself from the position and opportunity to. If he were to stay, he'd get the chance, just like the class of 92 did.
He hasn't been a vital part of the first team, so we won't really miss him. You can't apply the same logic to the class of 92 because they did something Pogba isn't prepared to do.
I am pretty surprised amongst all of this United haven't made some kind of statement
Not quite the point he was making though, as a whole yes there is no comparison but what he is saying is if say Scholes had wanted to "do a Pogba" and we said "well he's never played, so he wont be missed" then what would we do?
As people they aren't close, but you can't say just because he hasn't played yet doesn't mean he wont be missed.
Arrivederci !
Well if Scholes had have wanted to do a Pogba the same would apply. If you're not willing to wait for your chance at a big team like United then feck off and shut the door behind you on your way out. The difference being Scholes, Beckham et all didn't do a Pogba.
And besides the point, what he actually said was he should be given a chance before we tell him he's done nothing and send him on his way, when in fact United are doing nothing of the sort, he's bolting before he's been given a chance. Others waited, why can't he? It's not like he's 23 and hasn't been given a chance, he's 19 for feck sake, and clearly not ready. The best part about Ferguson and United's handling of young players is that they've known the right time to throw the young players in, and haven't pushed them before they're ready. If Pogba doesn't understand that what Ferguson is doing is probably the right thing for his career then feck him, cheerio.
Fergie will just brush it all off in a presser. "Disappointed to lose Paul but some players don't have the patience. We wish him all the best".
No point making an official statement and acting like it's a bigger deal than it is. At the end of the day we have lost a player who may have become a first team player, we haven't lost a player who needs replacing in any way.
Why give him a run out in the MSC final if he's signed elsewhere? Not worth giving him the satisfaction.
He said you've got to give them a chance before you say they wont be missed, not you've got to give them a chance full stop. If Pogba wasn't to leave then he can go, we won't know what we/he have missed until he's done playing football.
Because at the end of the day, he's still an academy member of our squad. Why start acting petty and stopping youngsters playing football? It wouldn't do our reputation any good and there chances are this wasn't decided then anyway so it made even more sense to treat him as a member of our squad.
Not really, no. Though I do remember from one of Fergie's books, that in 96/97 Scholes did wonder if he should stay because he wasn't getting much of a look. Fergie told him that if he sold him, he'd just have to buy him back later and that was that. But Pogba isn't exactly a local. Not that we know his reasons.
Err mate, he changed his agents twice in the last one year or so. I'm sure the club wanted to negotiate his contract before.
Well, atleast he done this now, rather than in the future. Sad to see him leave as he is a good talent, but still thats all he is, a good talent that still needs to develop to make the first team. Head turned or he reckons he is better than he actually is.
Glad to be rid of him at this stage, the whole situation was starting to piss me off.
That's exactly what I said he said
If you want to say we won't miss him then you have to give him a chance rather than saying you're not a first team member already so you can leave, we won't miss you.
Is it official then? fecking hell
That's exactly what I said he said
If you want to say we won't miss him then you have to give him a chance rather than saying you're not a first team member already so you can leave, we won't miss you.
That makes no sense. The reason why we won't miss him is precisely because he hasn't really featured at all and so we've nothing to miss. He hasn't played for us, he hasn't been involved in any of our successes and failures. We won't miss what we never really had. That's the point.
Unless he turns out to be, you know, brilliant for Juventus.
so we couldn't match €1 million (£800,000) per season? seriously?
So what? We've lost better players than Pogba before. If he goes elsewhere and ends up a star then good for him. We'll move on.
Neither want to let him go..what do you think?
I feckin like this Mariachi !
Yeah but Morrison was let go because he was a gangster wannabe...I'm not even sure we offered him a contract, unlike Pogba...
The "what" is plenty of people still wish we had Rossi and Pique here, losing good young players is disappointing.
Meh, couldn't really care less at this stage. Just glad it's over.
I'm not one of them then. I support United and players who want to wear the shirt. Once they're gone, who cares?
If he gave a feck about United he'd sign the contract. Once he goes why worry about him? United won't miss him, we'll move on like we have before, and someone better will play in his place.
What makes you think anyone at the club let that happen? When do you think he was first offered a new contract and how long is left on his current one? Be precise.
While I hope you're right, that could prove to be wishful thinking.
When he goes then do we think he'll be replaced? Assuming as Fergie was alluding to he'd be part of the first team next season....
I admit I say this purely in the hope we'll actually sign a central midfielder
I admit I say this purely in the hope we'll actually sign a central midfielder
fair enough but the game was different then. i could see agents trying to move players like scholes elsewhere nowadays.
He'd have to get an agent before they could do that.
I wonder what his reasons were for wanting to leave.
Fair play to him, we nicked him from another club so we just got a little taste of our own medicine. He'll be a top player so it's a shame but the club are right not to pay youth prospects over the top. Barca let Fabregas go for the same reasons and he was much more talented at a younger age, same with Pique. We may end up buying Pogba back for big money in 6 years but the club must keep to it's principles with young player contracts.
Good riddance. Was always going to happen...
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