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Being in it for the money is not necessarily the worst trait to have (ffs look at Rooney). A lot of better and worse players in football right now are in it for the money as well.

Anyway I'm not blaming SAF or anyone... what's happened has happened. Just offering a reason as to why I think SAF didn't like him (extreme arrogance).
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Why do people keep blaming saf for letting him go? He was offered a contract but decided to go to its because he is more concerned with making as much money as quickly as possible for him and his agent rather than takng a long view. How is that utds or safs fault? feck him, he can go to real when they bid along with the other mercenaries.
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As far as I've understood it, he wanted guaranteed games which Sir Alex wouldn't contemplate. The money on the table we presented was as good of an offer as the one Juve offered.


He told The Times: "I didn't want to sign a contract as Ferguson didn't play me, even though there were no midfielders there.
"He obviously thought I didn't deserve the contract I asked for, and didn't put me in the team even though he had no midfield players. It was his choice.
"United were short of players like me, but it was the manager's decision. I couldn't do anything about it. I was frustrated because he spoke to me a few times and said I was nearly there.
"I told him 'If I don't play then I can't get any experience and see how far I have to go'. I played a few cup games but he didn't want to give me a contract and they just let me go."
Pogba insists money never came into his thinking when deciding to leave Manchester for Turin, but says the return of Paul Scholes was the final straw.

He said: "When I saw Scholes come back part of me was really happy as he's a legend, but I knew it was the end of me. The manager thought Scholes had to play, not me, and after that I had to leave. Maybe Ferguson will regret it now, but I don't think about Manchester United any more. I have no regrets about leaving Manchester, none at all."
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8483163/

Of course, this is just one side of the coin.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Why do people keep blaming saf for letting him go? He was offered a contract but decided to go to italy because he is more concerned with making as much money as quickly as possible for him and his agent rather than takng a long view. How is that utds or safs fault? feck him, he can go to real when they bid along with the other mercenaries.
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Isn't it obvious? Extremely talented footballer wasn't getting opportunities despite the team being awful in his position.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Why do people keep blaming saf for letting him go? He was offered a contract but decided to go to italy because he is more concerned with making as much money as quickly as possible for him and his agent rather than takng a long view. How is that utds or safs fault? feck him, he can go to real when they bid along with the other mercenaries.
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Also, why do you think that the "long view" was united whereas juve was the "money" alternative? They're a giant club that really wanted him, gave him chances and he's now turning into a top performer and well on his way to fulfilling his potential. He made the right decision, quite clearly.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Why do people keep blaming saf for letting him go? He was offered a contract but decided to go to italy because he is more concerned with making as much money as quickly as possible for him and his agent rather than takng a long view. How is that utds or safs fault? feck him, he can go to real when they bid along with the other mercenaries.
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Fair enough but what I also don't understand is why people still have a grudge against him. This "feck him, don't care what he does" attitude is equally weird for me. He's a cracking player and one of the best young CMs around, and doing well. Why can't we just appreciate how he's proving himself well without starting the whole saga again or showing disgust for some apparent reason. No offense but that attitude comes across as somewhat bitter.
 
I think this will be proven to be Fergie's biggest ever mistake in the transfer market. I think we all knew it would come back to haunt us. He's already an amazing talent but I think he'll be the outright best in the world in his position in the next 5 years or so. He's only 20 now, his potential is mind boggling. I think he'll end up playing the majority of his career for Real Madrid, he will soon become that good that he will leave Italy.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Fair enough but what I also don't understand is why people still have a grudge against him. This "feck him, don't care what he does" attitude is equally weird for me. He's a cracking player and one of the best young CMs around, and doing well. Why can't we just appreciate how he's proving himself well without starting the whole saga again or showing disgust for some apparent reason. No offense but that attitude comes across as somewhat bitter.
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No grudge on my side. As long as he isn't effecting utd in any way I don't care one way or the other, it just reeks that so many are prepared to take the word of a 20 year old who is already on his 3rd club and obviously has no particular feelings towards utd over the word of saf who lived aNd breathed utd for decades, who says he wasn't going to get games the next season? His agent......because they are known for honesty and integrity of course, also his performances in the reserves his final season were mediocre in the extreme, why, if he isnt maintaining his performance levels in the reserves would he get a first team spot
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
No grudge on my side. As long as he isn't effecting utd in any way I don't care one way or the other, it just reeks that so many are prepared to take the word of a 20 year old who is already on his 3rd club and obviously has no particular feelings towards utd over the word of saf who lived aNd breathed utd for decades, who says he wasn't going to get games the next season? His agent......because they are known for honesty and integrity of course, also his performances in the reserves his final season were mediocre in the extreme, why, if he isnt maintaining his performance levels in the reserves would he get a first team spot
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What was SAFs version then?

Forgetting what either said, I think we should have believed in him more. Our midfield was dire as it is.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Why do people keep blaming saf for letting him go? He was offered a contract but decided to go to italy because he is more concerned with making as much money as quickly as possible for him and his agent rather than takng a long view. How is that utds or safs fault? feck him, he can go to real when they bid along with the other mercenaries.
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I don't personally blame SAF directly for letting him go. Pogba is clearly money-driven and he has a shit head of an agent.

What I blame SAF for is not giving him more chances. I still can't get over the fact he preferred to play Park and Rafael in the middle than Pogba, who was making the reserves look like a school pitch. If we gave him more chances, would he have accepted the deal we offered him? Who knows.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
What was SAFs version then?

Forgetting what either said, I think we should have believed in him more. Our midfield was dire as it is.
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If memory serves didn't saf say a contract had been offered but either the wages or agents fee offered by juve were more than we felt he had earned?
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I don't personally blame SAF directly for letting him go. Pogba is clearly money-driven and he has a shit head of an agent.

What I blame SAF for is not giving him more chances. I still can't get over the fact he preferred to play Park and Rafael in the middle than Pogba, who was making the reserves look like a school pitch. If we gave him more chances, would he have accepted the deal we offered him? Who knows.
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He wasn't though, in his final season his reserve performances weren't all that,
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
No grudge on my side. As long as he isn't effecting utd in any way I don't care one way or the other, it just reeks that so many are prepared to take the word of a 20 year old who is already on his 3rd club and obviously has no particular feelings towards utd over the word of saf who lived aNd breathed utd for decades, who says he wasn't going to get games the next season? His agent......because they are known for honesty and integrity of course, also his performances in the reserves his final season were mediocre in the extreme, why, if he isnt maintaining his performance levels in the reserves would he get a first team spot
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Agreed, it's not as simple as some make it to be neither is he completely innocent. He was still quite young and he doesn't have the right to question playing Park Ji Sung - an experienced player - being preferred over a youngster in a league game.

Anyway whatever it was, I do think we should move on now, it's been way too long. Perhaps our midfield not being up to the mark adds the "what if" factor, which is fair as well. I personally quite enjoy his goals and development in general, and hope to see him do well, like any other player for that matter, as long as he doesn't come back and score one of those screamers against us. :D
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Agreed, it's not as simple as some make it to be neither is he completely innocent. He was still quite young and he doesn't have the right to question playing Park Ji Sung - an experienced player - being preferred over a youngster in a league game.

Anyway whatever it was, I do think we should move on now, it's been way too long. Perhaps our midfield not being up to the mark adds the "what if" factor, which is fair as well. I personally quite enjoy his goals and development in general, and hope to see him do well, like any other player for that matter, as long as he doesn't come back and score one of those screamers against us. :D
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Exactly :)
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
If memory serves didn't saf say a contract had been offered but either the wages or agents fee offered by juve were more than we felt he had earned?
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I have no idea but that doesn't actually contradict what pogba says.

The way things have panned out for him validates his decision and possibly even his version of things. A lot of people said it's about money and that he'd be on the bench there too, whereas he ended up getting loads of opportunities and has become a star at juve.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Why do people keep blaming saf for letting him go? He was offered a contract but decided to go to italy because he is more concerned with making as much money as quickly as possible for him and his agent rather than takng a long view. How is that utds or safs fault? feck him, he can go to real when they bid along with the other mercenaries.
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I don't think its all about money, apparently lack of playing time and showing of faith in the player was also a big issue for Pogba at that time.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Agreed, it's not as simple as some make it to be neither is he completely innocent. He was still quite young and he doesn't have the right to question playing Park Ji Sung - an experienced player - being preferred over a youngster in a league game.
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There is no justification for such a decision, which unlike Fergie, was so shortsighted.
 
There's not a single manager on the planet that has been prone to making the odd mistake....it's human nature.......Pep flogged Eto'o cheap and blew something like 60 million on Ibrahimovich only to see Ibra stay on the bench and Eto'o win every cup you can win at Inter the next season...Mourinho has bought plenty of duds over the years and signed Adebayor at Real on loan, then he let Matic go for nothing only to see him go onto become world class.........

At the end of the day would you have chosen 26 years of Fergie, 13 league titles and 2 European cups or having a world class money grabbing mercenary without a shred of loyalty for 3 seasons
 
adexkola said:
There is no justification for such a decision, which unlike Fergie, was so shortsighted.
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No justification for what? Not picking a 18 year old in a league game with experienced players available? It's hardly a crime worth so much blame. Some people here make it as if he was the best player in the world and asked to sit out of the squad. He was a good young player with potential and yes in hindsight it could be said that he could have been given a chance but is there justification for not rushing a teenager into a league game? Sure there is.
 
Ringo 07 said:
There's not a single manager on the planet that has been prone to making the odd mistake....it's human nature.......Pep flogged Eto'o cheap and blew something like 60 million on Ibrahimovich only to see Ibra stay on the bench and Eto'o win every cup you can win at Inter the next season...Mourinho has bought plenty of duds over the years and signed Adebayor at Real on loan, then he let Matic go for nothing only to see him go onto become world class.........

At the end of the day would you have chosen 26 years of Fergie, 13 league titles and 2 European cups or having a world class money grabbing mercenary without a shred of loyalty for 3 seasons
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That wasn't actually a bad deal. He didn't want anyone permanent, but someone to cover for Higuain and Benzema temporarily (I remember one of them was out for a long time, think it was higuain). Best deal he could have got at the time, and he did score a decent amount of goals for them.
 
Red Shorts said:
That wasn't actually a bad deal. He didn't want anyone permanent, but someone to cover for Higuain and Benzema temporarily (I remember one of them was out for a long time, think it was higuain). Best deal he could have got at the time, and he did score a decent amount of goals for them.
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Well then lets say Kezman instead from PSV
 
This thread is always good for a laugh. People charging in thinking they're best mates with the guy and claiming he's only in football for the money and is a 'mercenary'. How the feck do you know that? Pogba has had two fecking clubs, us and his current side Juventus. I'd say it only takes common sense to come to the realisation that he wanted game time. We didn't give him that at the time while he moved to Juventus and managed to start getting regular game time in a midfield that consisted of Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio, one of the best midfields around. So explain to me how he's only in it for the money or is a 'mercanary'. Please do, I'd love to hear the explanation on this one. Because he's being linked with moves to Madrid or PSG? Dear oh dear.

There's simple ground really. SAF made a mistake, it happens. We parts ways and his career goes on while as a club we move on. It's really not hard to grasp. Why there's a need for some to shit on the guy or act like he's nothing but a money grabber or cnut just because he moved to a different club, no idea.
 
Amazing :drool:

I've seen the goal at 3:32 dozens of times, but I am still in awe everytime I see it.

Besides his shooting I think his awareness of the ball and space in close duels is standing out. Paired with his body strength it makes it extremely hard to get the ball from him. He can still work on his defensive game and work rate, though. He shows up with some mad skills and decisive play almost every game, but he does not grab the game by its balls like Vidal does. But he is only 20 years old, so there is still time to get even better. He has all the tools to become one of the best footballers in the world. It's too bad that we will probably not be able to keep him long enough to see him reach his peak in our colours.
 
One of the most gifted CMs around I'd say, there aren't many CM compilation videos holding that much quality either. They should just rename this the depressing thread:(
 
They sure love rubbing it in. Yes, Paul. Most of us thought it was a mistake as well. Now feck off.

"I was pushed"...by Raoila maybe.

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9128176/Pogba-Disgusted-
Pogba was "disgusted" with Ferguson
Paul Pogba has reiterated his reasons for leaving Manchester United, explaining that he was "disgusted" by Sir Alex Ferguson's decision to play Rafael in midfield in a Premier League match against Blackburn.

Pogba remained on the bench as United lost the match 3-2 and soon after the 20-year-old agreed to join Juventus. "It was a very, very difficult moment for me because I was in love with Manchester and I was a Mancunian," said Pogba in a French TV documentary."It was the match against Blackburn in December 2011 at Old Trafford"

"Paul Scholes had retired, Michael Carrick was injured, Darren Fletcher was injured. There was no-one left to play in midfield. And I was training and I was beginning to get better bit by bit and the coach never stopped telling me, 'You're this far'. And I didn't understand. This far away from what? Playing? From having some playing time? From getting on the field? Or what? And there was Rafael in midfield and I was disgusted. I was disgusted and I didn't get on either."

Pogba, who made only seven substitute appearances for United, claims that the incident broke his bond with Ferguson and there was no other option but to leave in the summer. I'd lost that thing, that relation that I had with the coach. I was really disappointed, really disappointed," he said. I was pushed. My eyes were opened. I'd made this decision to sign with Juventus. There was nothing to regret."
 
Yep he's a cnut, an attention seeking cnut. Glad we don't have him anymore
 
He seems obsessed with us. Doing well with Juventus and still can't seem to stop talking about United.
 
I don't see whats wrong with him being asked for he's side of the story and giving it. I disagree with his view and think he should have got his head down and worked to make the first team as he clearly was only a couple of steps off it, but he has a right to his opinion and he had a right to leave also as his contract was up.
 
I must be one of the few United fans who dosen't really give much of a toss that he's left us...

Also, he comes across like a right twat.
 
He left ages ago. Why does he keep talking about United. He seems to crop up in the news once a months or so, with some backlash at United. Give it a rest.

I'd still take him back though. The massive, massive bastard.
 
To be fair on him, I'm pretty sure people just ask him about it. I doubt he just comes out with it.

"So Pogba, what do you make of Juventus' performance yesterday?"
"It was good. What wasn't good was how Ferguson treated me back when I was in Manchester....."
 
Decotron said:
So we just start promoting youth players based on potential ability and nothing else.

Im sure that would go well. .........Djordic and Mads Timm would still be at the club in that case....
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If we're weak in that position why not? It's a team game, as long as you don't overload the team and there's a healthy mixture you could unearth a gem. As is, it was a 25+ million pound decision not to play him. If Juventus sold him tomorrow, they would make a fortune. We got peanuts for a player that most people saw had great ability. Never mind potential. Ability is there, you can only furfill that potential if you can do it in front of a big crowd - that's the acid test. The value of a potential can increase rapidly, which is why Adnan would cost any club wanting to buy him right now a lot of money.
 
I think deep down he'd have preferred making it with us rather than Juventus

I understand that he left, but he's still a bit of a bitter prick.
 
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