The problem that is starting to arise is that if we wait much longer the only good options will be off the table, and not just that but camped at our bitterest rivals.
Pep Guardiola at City next?
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The problem that is starting to arise is that if we wait much longer the only good options will be off the table, and not just that but camped at our bitterest rivals.
I wouldn't say that. I actually wouldn't rule it out that he'll leave at the end of this season. But even if he extends his contract for another 3 years, we'll get to read this story again and again until it becomes true. And if it doesn't, well, they got enough people to read it.
A big fat no.
You aren't actually dying are you? 'Cos now I'll feel like a real arsehole.
A long story, for another time. Not for here.
Good for the English league though....
Pep at City
Klopp at Liverpool
Mourinho at Chelsea
Wenger at Arsenal
Giggs at United
This is what I am expecting in the next year or so, with Ancelotti being back at work a good year before LVG retires (maybe back at PSG? Or Milan? Or maybe Juventus given the way things are for them in Serie A right now?).
Given that Roman and Mansour will still be involved in English football, then we would need Sir Alex more than ever, but he's gone so we will have to make the best of whatever is left
Fair enough, sorry.
I think there is still a thought high up in the club that a manager that will want to stay for as long as possible is preferential. Probably because there is less turn over of players.
surely any manager would be glad to be at Old Trafford for a long time. The issue is can he perform.
And tbh....do any of us think there will be anyone who lasts as long as Fergie?
I find it unlikely Pep will continue at Bayern just as I think it's both probable & understandable that City would be his next pitstop before coming full circle & returning to Barcelona
United would be a much more interesting option for him than it was 3 years ago, thanks to Van Gaal but City ticks almost all the boxes he'd crave. Sure, City doesn't have the history or stature of United but it's pretty logical he'd end up there, IMO
United would be a much more interesting option for him than it was 3 years ago, thanks to Van Gaal but City ticks almost all the boxes he'd crave. Sure, City doesn't have the history or stature of United but it's pretty logical he'd end up there, IMO
This is true. But we have Mr philosophy with us for another year.
We should do what Bayern did with Heynckes.
We should but I'm not sure if Guardiola is the right candidate. I know that he doesn't have a great record in the league but I prefer Ancelotti.
Our team is currently learning a way of doing things that is similar to what Guardiola does, it's based in the same ethos. Ancelotti has no real identity to how his teams play and his lack of faith in young players means I don't see him as ideal for United, even though I like the way he conducts himself.
Ancelotti implemented the current PSG possession football, he is perfectly able to not only continue with that style but also improve it.
One would think so, but all the en vogue managers have a relatively short shelf life in terms of effectiveness with one team. Even Pep got burnt out at Barca, his dream job, and needed a rest & a new challenge. Klopp might have the longest horizon when it comes to staying with a team, as he seems to enjoy the challenge of rebuilding teams, but can he keep a team interested & refreshed once they have climbed to the top?
SAF (& Arsene) are definitely a dying breed, but that's partly due to them being so entwined with their teams. Sadly, it's doubtful in this current atmosphere that they would've been afforded the time to get where they are/were. Moyes was hired to be SAF 2.0 (i.e. long term heir), but the revolution was a bit too much for the players & fans. Giggs seems to be Moyes 2.0 in that the hope would be he can handle the culture of the club while being successful enough to allow him to grow a la Pep. In a way, they have both learned at LVG's knee and maybe the philosophy that has made Barca such a force will somehow get instilled in United as well. Pep just has the extra experience of managing Barca B & their youth setup.
That's nice, so the current manager is already a dead man walking. Perfect motivation for him and the players, right?
I hope Van Gaal meets Pep over a dinner and tells him to inform him if he has been offered a job anywhere. Don't offer Pep a job offer at United, just ask him to call before accepting a job elsewhere.
Is their style possession based? It seems less definite than that to me, I also think the youth aspect is very important given how many of our main players are young, especially in attack, he'd keep Rooney around for another 5 years.
Klopp to Liverpool doesn't worry me. Guardiola to Man City fecking terrifies me.
I wasn't even that big a fan of Pep but he was still my second choice after Klopp. Now they could both be out of reach (well, 1 will beunless he wants to piss off Liverpool fans which he is more than welcome to)! I had no third choice because I could think of anyone who would be exciting and be a impact manager
It's totally and completely possession oriented and he is great with young players. You have a point about Rooney though.
It's totally and completely possession oriented and he is great with young players. You have a point about Rooney though.
Really? it's hard to tell as PSG steamroll most teams and seem to go back to front pretty quickly without the methodical possession game when I see them. What youth players has Ancelotti done well with bar Verratti? His Milan side was ancient and he's always favoured experience over youth at the clubs he's been at, that's why Rooney, Carrick and Bastian would be still playing for us while drawing their pensions.
Really? it's hard to tell as PSG steamroll most teams and seem to go back to front pretty quickly without the methodical possession game when I see them. What youth players has Ancelotti done well with bar Verratti? His Milan side was ancient and he's always favoured experience over youth at the clubs he's been at, that's why Rooney, Carrick and Bastian would be still playing for us while drawing their pensions.
Well for PSG, Rabiot and Ongenda were doing well until he left. Unfortunately he didn't had the opportunity to give them more chances since El Khelaifi was on his back 24/7. At Milan I really don't know, he did well with Pirlo and Kaka.
I could see him as our own version of Heynckes.
Weren't Kaka and Pirlo already a decent age when they started playing under him? At Real he had issues with Morata and Varane over playing time. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him over Giggs, but I don't think he's ideal compared to Pep who for me would get the best from our young players.
I see Thiago following him to whatever team he goes next, and for that reason alone I want him at United.
I agree with your point about Ancelotti. He belongs to the category of managers like Rafa, Mourinho, Capello and so on in the sense that he doesn't have a strong vision of how he wants his teams to play but more like trying to devise the best possible strategy for the short term and depending on the available resources. I don't mean that as a criticism but we need to know what we want when we hire a new manager. We can't go either Pep, Klopp or Ancelotti because they offer different things and it is totally dependable on where we stand as a club when we need to make the decision.
For me personally, if we are settled and have a top team with an eye to achieve some immediate European success, I would look at Ancelotti as ideal as he'd offer us a great chance of winning the CL. If our plan is to build a team with a clear identity running through it and looking for the long term, an Ancelotti would be a gigantic waste of time and we might as well hire Giggs or someone else if we think they can offer us that.
They joined around 19-20 years old. As for Varane, he had fitness issues if I'm not mistaken and the duo Pepe-Ramos was very good, Morata to be honest wasn't impressive, he developed a lot at Juventus.
To be honest, I have a crush on Conte, to me he is the perfect candidate but I'm almost sure that he is unavailable. And I'm totally biased when it comes to Guardiola, there is something about him that I don't like.
That's exactly it, he fits in with what he has as opposed to shaping the team to play football in his image so to speak, very good manager and a class act but he'd seem an odd choice after all we have went through with van Gaal's weirdness in trying to inject a new a style of football into the club.
That's the catch 22 for me, I'd like us to have a clear identity in how we play, but I wouldn't chance a guy like Martinez or a guy with no experience like Giggs, this team wont be in the shape to allow for such a risk in just 18 months time IMO, in that case I'd go for Ancelotti..
Was Pirlo as young as that when Ancelotti started managing Milan? In fairness Morata and Jese only got brief chances to get a foothold under Ancelotti, a few minutes here and there most of the time. Conte who is currently the Italy manager? Well he could well be sacked if they bomb out of the Euros next summer, but doesn't he love that horrible 3-5-2 formation?
So is there a rumor he is going to City?
The RMC italian based correspondant spent years telling us that his favourite formation was the 4-3-3, but a lack of money didn't allow him to buy proper wingers. My non educated opinion is that he is like Simeone, very good tactically and will do with the players at his disposal.
I like how people don't even need to wait for something to happen before they start crying about it.
I wouldn't put Capello in that company. He's more or less always defaulting to the same formula.
Just extended his contract until 2019.
Would be devastated if he went to City.
I really hope he's the successor to LVG. Would love Pep at United.
I really hope he's the successor to LVG. Would love Pep at United.
For the past 3 years.
If City win the title as they are expected by many to do, it would be hard to see Pellegrini being sacked though.
Is he playing 4-3-3 with Italy? That's an interesting comparison, Simeone is a very good manager as well and has the competitive fire a top manager needs, but I think his personality would see Sir Bobby and co try to block his appointment.
I don't know, I think that it's a 3-5-2.
In my honest opinion, Conte should be nowhere near a top club. He proved at Juve he is just not good enough. He's a Schalke, Valencia, Tottenham level manager.