Peterson, Harris, etc....
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[Not a reply to you Raoul, but the video]
This new trend of intellectual debate repackaged as entertainment is so weird.
There's a whole bunch of people that now watch this kind of crap and regurgitate sound bites from them, that will never pick up a book and read any of the subject matter.
The verbal jousting and applause and wait for the 'Gotcha' moment is all well and good when the audience is an educated one that's pretty well versed on the topic.
But the last 2-3 years have given rise to a really daft section of society that are rapidly holding 2 hour debates as some kind of gold standard for truth and sensibility. They're a tool to test the robustness of ideas. Some of the most intelligent people on the planet flail when pressed. That doesn't make them wrong.
Peterson seems to be dissappearing up his own bum hole of late. Since a level of fame arrived, the grandstanding and posturing seems to have increased tenfold.
That's a fairly normal thing these days - write a book and do a speaking tour of some sort to gin up an interest in your work to support book sales. Previously it was done on TV and these days its being done on social media as well. Similar things are also happening in science where popularizers are doing 2 hour lectures and debates that reach vast audiences online instead of people actually buying the books.
https://datasociety.net/output/alternative-influence/
A little surprised how central Molyneux is - from excerpts I've heard he is quite extremist and his voice, especially when talking about women (23:30-24:52) makes my skin crawl. Other like Black Pigeon and Kraut and Tea are horrifying too.
A little surprised how central Molyneux is - from excerpts I've heard he is quite extremist and his voice, especially when talking about women (23:30-24:52) makes my skin crawl. Other like Black Pigeon and Kraut and Tea are horrifying too.
Sargon of Akkad is an absolute douche
https://datasociety.net/output/alternative-influence/
A little surprised how central Molyneux is - from excerpts I've heard he is quite extremist and his voice, especially when talking about women (23:30-24:52) makes my skin crawl. Other like Black Pigeon and Kraut and Tea are horrifying too.
Definitely surprising to see Molyneux where he is but I'm guessing its because he gets into a hell of a lot of debates. Also surprising to see Peterson on the periphery as he seems to be one of the most active debaters/commentators on youtube.
I recognized that Molyneux name. He would comment on just about any online forum/news post and always anti-Dem/anti-left/etc. Came off as a right cnut, massive asshole, and sadist. Almost like he enjoyed commenting, debating, ridiculing, etc.
https://datasociety.net/output/alternative-influence/
A little surprised how central Molyneux is - from excerpts I've heard he is quite extremist and his voice, especially when talking about women (23:30-24:52) makes my skin crawl. Other like Black Pigeon and Kraut and Tea are horrifying too.
He’s a horrible prick. I find him way more sinister than blow hards like Shapiro.
Peterson has a real temper dosn't he? He's always like that. Perhaps it's his "carnivore diet", perhaps the single stupidest thing to come from a self proclaimed "intellectual" (vomit.gif) you will ever see.
That’s typical of this social media fuelled nonsense where anyone who takes a particular political stance on any issue must have that same stance on every issue. Or get ragged on by thousands of righteous dullards on twitter/FB. Just as big a problem for the left as it is on the right.
That's very true. Network homophily has created groupthink factions in online (and now non-online) debates where people are incentivized to be recognized by the pack and are disincentivized from thinking independently. You see it both on the left and the right and its generally unhelpful for having sensible debates.
Ive gone down a deep Harris shaped rabbit hole in the last few weeks, read one of his books (the one about free choice), listened to a dozen of his podcasts and watched all four of those debates with Peterson in full.
He makes that point repeatedly, about how these days if you know one opinion about a person you can more often than not predict their opinion about many other completely unrelated topics.
He makes that point repeatedly, about how these days if you know one opinion about a person you can more often than not predict their opinion about many other completely unrelated topics.
I thought Free Will was a pretty good read.
Yeah I agree. Short too, read it in one evening.
I've started listening to Harris recently too. He is very different to the rest of the "crew".
I've also watched half of the 4 part Harris Peterson debate. I found Harris much more grounded and scientific in his point of view. Peterson would get upset or shaken when pressed too hard. I thought Harris came across very well.
I would have loved if Christopher Hitchens joined them on stage.
I don't know who this Harris dude is (I dislike Peterson so I pay little attention to this topic), but damn, that seems so true. After the Ronaldo news broke I knew, at the next morning at work, who would have which opinions and in what basis they would justify them...
And, to be fair, a few of them probably knew the same about me.
I find Peterson's arguments to be a bit weak when confronted with Harris' usual schtick on religion and similar topics.
That's because Peterson is a hack. Harris is at least well-read and intelligent.
Watching the video, Harris seems bewildered how the hell he went from Dennet, Hitchens, and Dawkins....to these clowns.
harris is still infatuated with religious ideologies and no one outside anti-muslim reactionaries have been interested in that stuff for a good half decade now, so it's no wonder he'll often find himself talking with dumbasses
dawkins is still touring and giving the same speeches as he was when new atheism was cool, but he hasn't tailored his criticisms to appeal to religious people who happen to hate one in particular so his profile has shrunk because the audience for "religion sucks" is minuscule compared to the "islam is the root of our problems" audience.
I thought he slowed down his speaking and touring after his stroke.
They were all bores.
The idea that we should long for the intellectual prowess of the bloke who stood on stage said 'flying spaghetti monster' and waited for applause is nonsense.
The idea that we should long for the intellectual prowess of the bloke who stood on stage said 'flying spaghetti monster' and waited for applause is nonsense.
he has but he's still touring, even abroad sometimes, if the peterson audience was interested in what he had to say dawkins would have been at the london events which had multiple speakers
Who is longing for that?
Some people?
I was somewhat accusing our Raoul of trying to big up his legacy, given his comments. Mainly I'm just inclined to make it abundantly clear whenever Dawkins is brought up that he was a biologist who tried his hand at theology despite knowing nothing about it and was unsurprisingly awful at it, as a result.
I thought Dawkins was fairly well received for his attempt at theology, at least in a contemporary sense.
A bit like how Sam Harris, Jordan Petersen and all these other celebrity intellectuals talk utter shite because the fact they know things about neurology or psychology doesn't make them capable sociologists.
Really? Are you sure you don't just mean he was well received by those in America who were crying out for someone to challenge your insane evangelicals?
If he was praised by many theologians, I missed that.
The US evangelical era was generally already over when Dawkins came on the scene.
Goodness.