Phil Jones Future | Reports: Observing United academy sessions

11101 said:
Anybody who has been training daily for years will lose muscle mass when they stop, which you have to imagine he has done. He's not part of the squad anymore and all signs point to a retirement in the summer. I doubt he's in Carrington every day keeping himself up to scratch.

The alternative is he has lost a bit weight on purpose to reduce the pressure on his knees.
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Thank god that he is squeezing the last penny out of his already ridiculously long contract rather then simply retire. He truly loves us
 
devilish said:
Thank god that he is squeezing the last penny out of his already ridiculously long contract rather then simply retire. He truly loves us
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He will likely never earn that amount of money again in his life. The blame lies with those that signed off on the extension rather than Jones.
 
Surprised at seeing so many references to mental health issues.

I hadn’t realised this was a thing - I assume it’s some form of depression due to ongoing injuries/issues etc? Has that been confirmed or are people speculating?
 
Jippy said:
Yes, curse him for signing the contract the club offered him.
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I don't curse him but let's stop this 'love the club' BS. If he loved us then he would have retired. That what players who truly loved their club would have done in his circumstances (ex van Basten)

So he is just an employee (and a rather shit one at that) who exploited an idiotic employer who gave him a contract extension he didn't deserve
 
Based Adnan said:
He will likely never earn that amount of money again in his life. The blame lies with those that signed off on the extension rather than Jones.
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That's fair enough. But let's not portray him as a victim here. He is just another lousy employee who exploited a stupid employer
 
devilish said:
I don't curse him but let's stop this 'love the club' BS. If he loved us then he would have retired. That what players who truly loved their club would have done in his circumstances (ex van Basten)

So he is just an employee (and a rather shit one at that) who exploited an idiotic employer who gave him a contract extension he didn't deserve
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And if he was truly motivated to play football he would have gone somewhere else to try and get regular games as even when he has been fit it was clear he would be last choice here.
 
Absolutely none of you would turn down a tenth of what you're expecting Jones to turn down.
 
devilish said:
Thank god that he is squeezing the last penny out of his already ridiculously long contract rather then simply retire. He truly loves us
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How do you know he's not working with the youngsters in a coaching role or doing ambassadorial work? Easy to slate the guy bit he's doing nothing wrong.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
How do you know he's not working with the youngsters in a coaching role or doing ambassadorial work? Easy to slate the guy bit he's doing nothing wrong.
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I find it very hard to believe all options. The guy is a player no one really likes with a football IQ of a 15 year old player. Even if it's the case then there was nothing stopping him from retiring only to do those jobs at a more realistic salary

Also I never said he did anything wrong. I repeat the guy is not a particularly good employee who was lucky to find an employer stupid enough to give him a silly contract. Now if he loved the club or he had some dignity in him then he would have retired long ago. He didn't and chose to keep on sucking money instead. That doesn't make him a bad man but only an employee who has no emotional attachment to his workplace. So don't blame me if I have zero emotional attachment towards the guy
 
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devilish said:
That's fair enough. But let's not portray him as a victim here. He is just another lousy employee who exploited a stupid employer
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Maguire will be interesting. Does he request a transfer in the summer? Wait if a club that can match his wages then asks to leave ?

I have a feeling he’ll be happy so long as his England spot remains guaranteed.
 
AlPistacho said:
Maguire will be interesting. Does he request a transfer in the summer? Wait if a club that can match his wages then asks to leave ?

I have a feeling he’ll be happy so long as his England spot remains guaranteed.
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I have no idea on that. Quite frankly he should leave. His salary isn't that high to remain with United for it
 
klayton88 said:
Didn't realise I'd walked in to the Phil Jones fan club. You all wanting a new contract for him what?
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No you walked into a conversational cul-de-sac expecting people to agree with your moronic comment and are now likely hurt that people have turned on you. Just take it and learn from it.
 
devilish said:
Thank god that he is squeezing the last penny out of his already ridiculously long contract rather then simply retire. He truly loves us
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You cant possibly be salty the club has to honor the contract he signed?
 
AlPistacho said:
Maguire will be interesting. Does he request a transfer in the summer? Wait if a club that can match his wages then asks to leave ?

I have a feeling he’ll be happy so long as his England spot remains guaranteed.
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I dont think Maguire will request a transfer,that makes for incredibly poor optics.

I also dont think you need to be especially "in the know" to figure out that Harry is currently surplus to requirements, and for a club thats looking to further reduce its wage bill, Maguire is an obvious candidate to recoup some funds that can be put back into the squad.

At the same time, the only person that can make Harry Maguire leave before his term is up, is Harry Maguire. He has however played well for England and will likely fancy himself a new destinaton ahead of next season. He can only retain his England squad spot if he actually plays football as a regular starter.
 
Heardy said:
Surprised at seeing so many references to mental health issues.

I hadn’t realised this was a thing - I assume it’s some form of depression due to ongoing injuries/issues etc? Has that been confirmed or are people speculating?
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It's become a thing now. Improved awareness of mental health is obviously good thing but for some its gone to the other extreme.

People now just decide an individual is mentally unwell. It's then a fact.
 
devilish said:
I don't curse him but let's stop this 'love the club' BS. If he loved us then he would have retired. That what players who truly loved their club would have done in his circumstances (ex van Basten)

So he is just an employee (and a rather shit one at that) who exploited an idiotic employer who gave him a contract extension he didn't deserve
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A 'shit employee' because he's injured a lot and 'exploited' his employers. Do you have any evidence of that or are you talking out of your arse as usual?
 
Jippy said:
A 'shit employee' because he's injured a lot and 'exploited' his employers. Do you have any evidence of that or are you talking out of your arse as usual?
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Nope its because he was never really a very good player.
 
TheReligion said:
@devilish don’t be an arse again as with Sancho. You’re better than that
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Regarding Sancho I said that considering his salary (2nd highest) then he'll better start performing soon as he might find himself being sold. I still stand with what I said.
 
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I’m tired of all this talk about jones’ future. I’m more interested in his past! Seriously though, he must be done with soccer-football, goal-play, round-ball, real-grass, legacy-ballplay. His expected goals are a minus figure. The algorithm breaks whenever he heads the ball. His swimming-through-grass-on his-iron -chin approach to the game, while highly amusing for neutrals (and which I have witnessed up close), injured too many staff members and United players and broke too much expensive equipment to be long-term sustainable. Alas.
 
Heardy said:
Surprised at seeing so many references to mental health issues.

I hadn’t realised this was a thing - I assume it’s some form of depression due to ongoing injuries/issues etc? Has that been confirmed or are people speculating?
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Marwood said:
It's become a thing now. Improved awareness of mental health is obviously good thing but for some its gone to the other extreme.

People now just decide an individual is mentally unwell. It's then a fact.
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Pretty sure he spoke about it in the interview(s) he did last season when he was finally fit again.
 
Jippy said:
Clearly you're a better judge of a player than SAF. We are truly blessed to have you.
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SAF insisted on the likes of Anderson as well and he likened Dong to Batistuta.

On a serious note, Phil showed early promise but he never really improved after that. These things can happen with young footballers. Do you remember for example when he headbutted the pitch instead of controlling the ball with his feet?
 
I used to like him, he showed some promise after arriving. It wasn't for nothing that SAF fielded him 42 times in 11/12.

Then all that turned into disappointment. His injuries robbing him of his strengths and his inability to stay fit kept him from contributing in a meaningful way. On his returns he didn't look the part either.

But now I've gone full circle. He's excellent at winding up the muppets on here and I'm in favor of extending his contract so that can keep going on.
 
Abizzz said:
I used to like him, he showed some promise after arriving. It wasn't for nothing that SAF fielded him 42 times in 11/12.

Then all that turned into disappointment. His injuries robbing him of his strengths and his inability to stay fit kept him from contributing in a meaningful way. On his returns he didn't look the part either.

But now I've gone full circle. He's excellent at winding up the muppets on here and I'm in favor of extending his contract so that can keep going on.
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Regarding Jones, believe me on this, honesty can wind up people as well.
 
Marwood said:
It's become a thing now. Improved awareness of mental health is obviously good thing but for some its gone to the other extreme.

People now just decide an individual is mentally unwell. It's then a fact.
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Phil Jones himself has alluded to mental health struggles during his long and ardeous recovery period. He has faced harassment out in public by some of the worst football fans imaginable, something that has directly impacted his family.

No one is making anything up in that regard.
 
devilish said:
SAF insisted on the likes of Anderson as well and he likened Dong to Batistuta.

On a serious note, Phil showed early promise but he never really improved after that. These things can happen with young footballers. Do you remember for example when he headbutted the pitch instead of controlling the ball with his feet?
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You mean when he slipped on the play, and instead of rolling over he lunged at the ball to prevent a scoring opportunity?



Here you go. I genuinely do not understand why you keep up this dishonest narrative.
 
Tom Cato said:
You mean when he slipped on the play, and instead of rolling over he lunged at the ball to prevent a scoring opportunity?



Here you go. I genuinely do not understand why you keep up this dishonest narrative.
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That's proper baresi esque style of defending
 
Tom Cato said:
Phil Jones himself has alluded to mental health struggles during his long and ardeous recovery period. He has faced harassment out in public by some of the worst football fans imaginable, something that has directly impacted his family.

No one is making anything up in that regard.
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I think he's said it was mentally challenging and difficult. Likely in the same way we all face challenges in life.

But that's not cause for people who've never met him to diagnose him with a mental health condition. Which is happening right now because Jones has lost weight.

I sometimes wonder what he and maybe Sancho would make of what's written here. Random people deciding you've got a diagnosed mental health condition must be very strange.

It's great that there's more awareness. My partner has struggled big time with anxiety in her life.

But chucking around a diagnoses and labelling people with mental health conditions, whilst knowing very little about them can't be a good thing.
 
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Marwood said:
I think he's said it was mentally challenging and difficult. Likely in the same way we all face challenges in life.

But that's not cause for people who've never met him to diagnose him with a mental health illness. Which is happening right now because Jones has lost weight.

I sometimes wonder what he and maybe Sancho would make of what's written here. Random people deciding you've got a diagnosed mental health condition must be very strange.
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Mental health is just a blanket term that spans anything from BPD to a period of sombre mood and anything inbetween. A diagnosis of illness is somehing completely different obviously.

Last year Phil said this as part of a statement:

Jones added: "I think as a footballer, as a person, as a human being, that's the lowest I probably ever felt in my life. You try and get a balance between football and family life but it was so difficult going home and trying to look after the kids. You're there, but you're not there, you're not present. It's nice to get that balance back."

Yesterday, Phil had this to say:

"I have had to deal with that [the mental challenges] and I think I have. I have had a good support around me, my family, friends and especially the club. The club have been absolutely fantastic with me, I can't thank them enough and I am grateful for that.

No one will be surprised to know that Phil hasnt been simply "injured". He has faced social backlash from his local community for being injured. Online ridicule from petulent fans who wouldnt know how to behave like adults even if Tyson punched them in the mouth, constant setbacks during his injury recovery, new injuries, and a risk of having to call his career quits. Phil Jones has more money than anyone can dream of, but at that stage money is just a thing, it no longer impacts you the way it would you and me if we suddenly won £10m tomorrow. All it is is something he has that happens to pay for his things, food and bills. It in no way helps alleviate the struggles he has, it only allows him to focus on them.

I dont know what Jones actually means when he refers to mental struggles, but anyone who ha faced a period of hardship that has impacted them negatively can very likely relate
 
Heardy said:
Surprised at seeing so many references to mental health issues.

I hadn’t realised this was a thing - I assume it’s some form of depression due to ongoing injuries/issues etc? Has that been confirmed or are people speculating?
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People use it as a protective barrier around someone. Say Jones has mental health issues, and suddenly you can't criticize him.

And I am sorry, dealing with challenges in life, like injuries, isn't a mental health struggle, it's life.
 
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