Spoony said:
I don't know the science. That's where this discussion becomes pointless. I did do Maths A-Level though, if that helps.
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I don't know the science. That's where this discussion becomes pointless. I did do Maths A-Level though, if that helps.
Slabber said:
I got a B in my Maths, GCSE.
Seen Donnie Darko then?
Spoony said:
I got a AA in science GCSE. Does that make me Einstein?
I haven't seen Darko. I'm not very good at seeing films. Better at Maths.
Spoony said:
What is luck? and why random?
Sultan said:
Bringing god into it doesn't help until you've sorted out the science
Slabber said:
Sience will never be sorted, its progressive.
Sultan said:
Because fate is something people believe in, to make themselves feel better. Ie, well it was fate, so it couldn't be helped. What I mean by random - things that happen naturally. You could be walking down the street one day and you may bump into Wayne Rooney(if you lived in Manchester there would be more chances obviously). But say you got out a few seconds later because your dog need feeding. . . well you would've missed Rooney. That's random to me. I don't understand why people need to believe that everything has a reason.
Sultan, do you believe God made Liverpool win the CL. If so, he's a cnut.
Slabber said:
Wrong.
vijay said:
insightful
Reasoning is one of that elements that differentiate us, humans, from other creatures. There are lots of examples that show intelligence and order in design and therefore one would be ignorant if we dismiss them as random just because it's not within our capacity today to understand them. There are some verses that describe the singularity, big bang and the state of the universe. We are only capable of understanding such concepts today.Spoony said:
One can not ignore the whole concept simply because one can not understand one aspect/element of it.
Anyone learned anything yet?
Slabber said:
Thank you.
I dont have time right now to make the clarifications. I will do that tommorow.
vijay said:
I can't wait. Presumably the answer involves some understanding of random motion in quantum mechanics, which no on has, except Plech who know's a surprising amount about it for a non-scientist, but still not enough.
Abbsta said:
You've not really said anything. Just proved that you're religious. . . and that you believe in fate because God chose our destiny.
Like I said before jump infront of a moving bus. I wonder if 'fate' will save you.
Try it.
Spoony said:
Exactly.
Spoony said:
Chaos isn't random. Not in the sense of the scientific meaning of chaos. Chaos theory is about finding the pattern/order in seemingly random data.
Although I have always had a supicion that it is in fact just an excuse for quantitative ecologists to ramble on about Mandlebrot sets and the like with no fear of contradiction from the rest of us who have trouble balancing our chequing accounts.
Wibble said:
That's what I meant.
Abbsta said:
But we can ignore things that have zero evidence demonstrating that they exist when people have been trying for so many years. If evidence arises, which it will if it is there since so many people want it to be true, then we can modify our view. I'm pretty confident mind.
At some point you simply have to believe that the garden is fragrent and beautiful without needing to believe that there are faries at the bottom of it.
Spoony said:That's what I meant.
I'm glad because if anyone asked me to explain much further I'd have to feign RSI for a few weeks until I had read that book on it that has stayed firmly unread on my bookcase for about 5 years now.
We shall never talk of this again
Or I suppose that I could google a pat answer (irrespective of its accuracy) but I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a creationist.
Hi Wibble. I'm stuck between wanting to have a chat with you and having lunch as I'm starving. The subject has diverted into religeon or whatever you wanna call it. I simply wanted to have a chat and some had assumed it was a religous one.
My general perspective is I can not dismiss anyting just because there is zero evidence. That's it, regardless of which if support one side or another.
Man, I'm hungry Wibble but I don't ant to be rude and leave the forum.
My general perspective is I can not dismiss anyting just because there is zero evidence. That's it, regardless of which if support one side or another.
Man, I'm hungry Wibble but I don't ant to be rude and leave the forum.
Abbsta said:
so you haven't dismissed the existence of fairies?
Slabbs you had your lunch so let me have mine and then we can play.
I'm just waiting for Wibble to excuse me and I'll be back later just for you battyrider
I'm just waiting for Wibble to excuse me and I'll be back later just for you battyrider
Abbsta said:
I really for the life of me do not understand that statement, or rather the logic behind it, for one minute. But then that's religious faith I guess.
Slabber said:
You can learn the quantum theory in an hour and after couple of days of practice by solving problems from Rescnick & Halladay, Irodov and some other Russian authors, you would be in a position to solve any problem and clear the examinations.
Studying these theories, and submitting some thesis on that helped me to earn some grades in my technical education that in turn helped me to secure a job. But what I do now to earn is completely irrelevant of any theories I studied in my schools or in my college. If you have some fundamental idea about mathematics, it won’t take an hour to understand that but in no way it can help you to understand the life better. This idea of trying to relate the quantum theory to understand about the Universe is daft as you can understand the Universe better from your personal experiences. You cannot put everything on a two dimensional piece of paper and write a theorem on that.
Whenever we perform any action and whenever we think any thought, an imprint—a kind of groove is made upon the mind. Sometimes we are conscious of the imprinting process; just as often we are not. When actions and thoughts are repeated, the grooves become deeper. The combination of thoughts and actions creates our individual characters and also strongly influences our subsequent thoughts. Your thoughts would define your character and shape your career and my thoughts would define my character and shape my career and hence every individuals are different from each other. So there is some thing called fate that predefines the thoughts and dreams of every individual. And this concept has influenced many to believe that what is to be will be, and nothing can be done about it. Fate does mean something ordained-but it is ordained by you yourself – your thoughts and actions.
vijay said:
thanks for that, Einstein
Interesting.
This statement contribute towards the explanation of deja vu also, I think. As in, the brain is trying to relate a current situation/experience with a previous sit/exp that may share some instances hence, the individual experiencing 'Ive been here before' etc.vijay said:
Nistelrooy10 said:What wisdom..
If you're in Turkey and turn towards Mecca, you're turning in the general direction of Mecca. Your back is turned towards Ukraine, and then towards space, since the Earth is round.
Besides, Muslims knew that the Earth is round when Christians were burning people on the stake for saying otherwise.
Actually you made me think there and you are not wrong that the back is actually turned towards space. But you are wrong when you say that Christians were burning people at the stake. The Christians were the ones being burned at the stake.
As Satan used the Roman Empire - particularly King Herod, Pontius Pilate and Nero, as well as many others - to put Christ to death and kill many of God's people, he, like a chameleon, changed his disguise once again after Western Rome's fall, but this time, he kept the same Roman roots. The "wilderness" (Rev. 12:6), symbolizing this 1260-year period, is also referred to as the "great tribulation" (Matt 24:21) - a time when millions of God's true people were martyred for refusing to follow the dictates of the Roman Church. The Bible accurately prophesied that the papal power, as symbolized by the "little horn" in Daniel 7:8, 20, 21 and the "leopard-bodied beast" in Revelation 13:2, would "make war with the saints." Only one "religious" organization has been responsible for more persecutions and deaths of faithful Bible-believing Christians than any other sect in history - The Holy Roman Catholic Church!
http://home.earthlink.net/~abrahamisaac/html/the_1260-day_prophecy_and_the_.html
Im red2 said:
For feck's sake, don't start that again
Im red2 said:
Slabber said:
Well then I do not think you would be a Muslim in the first place for that would be mocking your religion, imho.
Im red2 said:
If God isn't a cnut, why did Liverpool win the CL?
Slabber said:
O.K but if you have read the source in that short space of time you are a genius
You're a faggot. Seriously.Im red2 said:O.K but if you have read the source in that short space of time you are a genius
someone was harping on about 'fate', 'randomness' etc...
take a look at the gradual evolution of this thread: it's morphed from a tongue-in-cheek poke at techno-religion into a half-hearted, philosophical diatribe....
amazing, no?
take a look at the gradual evolution of this thread: it's morphed from a tongue-in-cheek poke at techno-religion into a half-hearted, philosophical diatribe....
amazing, no?
No one can accuse true Christians of burning people at the stake. The true Christians are the ones who were burned at the stake. Another prophecy about this beast power is that he would change times and laws "(Daniel 7:25)." Well did the Catholic Church change times and laws? Yes they did they changed the ten Commandments (Laws) and also changed the times when they changed the Sabbath day to Sunday. This is all history and is as easy to verify as the it is to verify that Benedict is the name of the current leader of that beast system.
wait: Imred2....you are being perfectly serious?
a couple of posts ago i thought you were just having a laugh...
Good Grief!
a couple of posts ago i thought you were just having a laugh...
Good Grief!
marcus agrippa said:
No of course I am serious, but I am not going to go on about it. Anyone who has a true interest in it can research it themselves. We all know who was responsible for the inquisition(Catholic Church) and we all( I hope) know that they used to forbid people from reading the Bible and burn people at the stake for anything they would say or do against rome or the Pope(Pontifex Maximus, also the title of the Caesars) Most people know that the Catholic Church sprang from the Roman Empire at the time of Constantine. True Christians do not kill anyone, do not start wars, and love their fellow man. Or at least that is what they are supposed to do.
Im red2 said:
Christians have been burning people at the stake for centuries.
Anyway, Jesus was Jewish.