Gaming PlayStation 4 (Console)

I thought they made a mistake by not giving a price and release dates for the console.

Maybe they're waiting on XBox, but I thought yesterday was a good opportunity to get the pricing out of the way and concentrate completely on the games at E3 without any distractions.
 
Wonder how long it will be until Microsoft make their move. Im interested to see their response to the mobile options the Ps4 and Wii U offer.
 
Sony didn’t show us much of the PS4’s new interface, but did reveal that the console will support system suspend and resume, meaning you can simply press the power button once to freeze a game, then press it again later to continue playing precisely where you left off.
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I like that idea.

Also, I'm glad they're not blocking pre-owned games.
 
Just seen the announcement of the PS4

"....powered by the X86 CPU, an enhanced PC GPU, and 8GB unified memory"

That could mean anything - what sort of x86 CPU? a 486?
An "enhanced" GPU? Meaningless.
Never heard of "unified" memory.

Sony marketing department trying to make this sound better than it actually is i.e. 4 year old PC technology (35 years old if you consider x86 technology first appeared in 1978)

Apparently the CPU is going to be AMD "Jaguar" technology - a CPU aimed at low-power devices such as tablets and netbooks. Dear me. Talk about underwhelming.
 
Ps4 is much better fun when you don't know what the the heck this bullshit means, all the randoms Xs and 5s just excite you.
 
X86 relates to the CPU architecture - it's what every single desktop PC, including the fastest and most expensive ones you can buy, currently use. From a developer point of view, it couldn't be any better. I'm guessing the clock rate and manufacturing process hasn't been finalised yet, which is probably why that hasn't been announced and partially why the console wasn't revealed. Until Sony know the dimensions and the heat output they can't style the final box.

But you can be sure the thing will go like the clappers. Conjecting that it'll be slow because it uses 35 year old technology is like complaining that it'll use electricity which was invented hundreds of years ago.
 
eric le roi said:
Just seen the announcement of the PS4

"....powered by the X86 CPU, an enhanced PC GPU, and 8GB unified memory"

That could mean anything - what sort of x86 CPU? a 486?
An "enhanced" GPU? Meaningless.
Never heard of "unified" memory.

Sony marketing department trying to make this sound better than it actually is i.e. 4 year old PC technology (35 years old if you consider x86 technology first appeared in 1978)

Apparently the CPU is going to be AMD "Jaguar" technology - a CPU aimed at low-power devices such as tablets and netbooks. Dear me. Talk about underwhelming.
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So basically this is worse than the PC Setup I built last year? On top of that it's not even released yet and will still be "Current" in 5 years time.

feck me these consoles are going to hold back PC gaming even further than they already have.
 
Not everyone has a grand to spend on PC's which get better every 6 months.
 
Shit launch. Not impressed with launch games Killzone is a very boring game and infamous will just be infamous 2 with better graphics this early on in the console's life. Watch Dogs is also a PS3 / X360 game coming out on the PS4 so again won't be a proper next gen title.
 
Also PC-tards no need for you guys to state the obvious - how your PC had that hardware 1000 years ago etc. Personally I'm not too concerned about better graphics I want to see proper development in the 'dynamism' of the game worlds. Far Cry 3 showed the potential but wasn't quite good enough. I'm still yet to play a game where the AI actually properly reacts to your actions. I agree with a previous poster that every individual in games need to have their own personality.
 
shaggy said:
Shit launch. Not impressed with launch games Killzone is a very boring game and infamous will just be infamous 2 with better graphics this early on in the console's life. Watch Dogs is also a PS3 / X360 game coming out on the PS4 so again won't be a proper next gen title.
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Where you getting that from re Watch Dogs? I was under the impression that had always been a next gen title developed for the PS4.
 
Adzzz said:
Not everyone has a grand to spend on PC's which get better every 6 months.
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That's besides the point though.

We're talking about a "next generation" console. One that will be released a month or two before 2014 and will be expected to last until at least 2018 and it's not as powerful something I (a complete layman) built in mid 2012.

I realise mine wasn't cheap but at the same time I ordered 1 of each component from the company I bought it from, not 40,000,000 so you'd think they would be able to do it for a bit less than I could.


shaggy said:
Also PC-tards no need for you guys to state the obvious - how your PC had that hardware 1000 years ago etc. Personally I'm not too concerned about better graphics I want to see proper development in the 'dynamism' of the game worlds. Far Cry 3 showed the potential but wasn't quite good enough. I'm still yet to play a game where the AI actually properly reacts to your actions. I agree with a previous poster that every individual in games need to have their own personality.
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That was me, the general consensus on that though was it being down to the game developers rather than the Hardware.
 
Poxbo said:
So basically this is worse than the PC Setup I built last year? On top of that it's not even released yet and will still be "Current" in 5 years time.

feck me these consoles are going to hold back PC gaming even further than they already have.
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Sony tried something different last time and got held back by making a loss on the console to price it competetively and the quality of a lot of games was held back by xbox/porting issues.
 
Poxbo said:
That's besides the point though.

We're talking about a "next generation" console. One that will be released a month or two before 2014 and will be expected to last until at least 2018 and it's not as powerful something I (a complete layman) built in mid 2012.

I realise mine wasn't cheap but at the same time I ordered 1 of each component from the company I bought it from, not 40,000,000 so you'd think they would be able to do it for a bit less than I could.




That was me, the general consensus on that though was it being down to the game developers rather than the Hardware.
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Console games can still look damn good though even if the consoles are weaker than high end PC's, because the delevopers can tailor the games to the console. If you made a console with specs stronger than a new highend PC, they wouldn't be affordable for people who usually buy game consoles.
 
Poxbo said:
That's besides the point though.

We're talking about a "next generation" console. One that will be released a month or two before 2014 and will be expected to last until at least 2018 and it's not as powerful something I (a complete layman) built in mid 2012.

I realise mine wasn't cheap but at the same time I ordered 1 of each component from the company I bought it from, not 40,000,000 so you'd think they would be able to do it for a bit less than I could.
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It's really not because this is the PS4 thread not the PC thread - we're talking console gaming of which the PC is involved for developing and apparently boasting only. People can afford a PS4 as a one off over a 5/6/7 year investment and can play games that won't be immediately on the PC, or indeed ever on the PC. With comparable graphics for a long period unless you have the absolute top-end and spend a fortune.

Ergo, no-one cares about fancy ass PC's apart from fancy ass PC owners.
 
eric le roi said:
Just seen the announcement of the PS4

"....powered by the X86 CPU, an enhanced PC GPU, and 8GB unified memory"

That could mean anything - what sort of x86 CPU? a 486?
An "enhanced" GPU? Meaningless.
Never heard of "unified" memory.

Sony marketing department trying to make this sound better than it actually is i.e. 4 year old PC technology (35 years old if you consider x86 technology first appeared in 1978)

Apparently the CPU is going to be AMD "Jaguar" technology - a CPU aimed at low-power devices such as tablets and netbooks. Dear me. Talk about underwhelming.
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Unified memory, as apposed what they had on the PS3 where the 512 MB was split between main memory and video memory, and is what caused Skyrim to not work very well at all on the PS3.

Keep up :)
 
eric le roi said:
Just seen the announcement of the PS4

"....powered by the X86 CPU, an enhanced PC GPU, and 8GB unified memory"

That could mean anything - what sort of x86 CPU? a 486?
An "enhanced" GPU? Meaningless.
Never heard of "unified" memory.

Sony marketing department trying to make this sound better than it actually is i.e. 4 year old PC technology (35 years old if you consider x86 technology first appeared in 1978)

Apparently the CPU is going to be AMD "Jaguar" technology - a CPU aimed at low-power devices such as tablets and netbooks. Dear me. Talk about underwhelming.
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That's pretty much the most basic way of looking at it.
 
Adzzz said:
It's really not because this is the PS4 thread not the PC thread - we're talking console gaming of which the PC is involved for developing and apparently boasting only. People can afford a PS4 as a one off over a 5/6/7 year investment and can play games that won't be immediately on the PC, or indeed ever on the PC. With comparable graphics for a long period unless you have the absolute top-end and spend a fortune.

Ergo, no-one cares about fancy ass PC's apart from fancy ass PC owners.
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I'm looking at the broader picture and it feels like a sideways step to me. Since when has a brand new console coming out been about "Budget Gaming"? The only reason the Graphics are comparable is because the games on PC are developed for multi platforms.

What developer is going to create a first person shooter and push the graphics to the limit of current PC technology when they can't then port it to the consoles to make the money? On top of that, they're not going to want to make the PC games look too good as it'll age the consoles too quickly.

It's not so much a petty "PC fan-boi" whine at Sony, it's more disappointment at slowing down of the exponential evolution of gaming technology. I guess it was going to come at some point and perhaps it's more about the difficulty of developing games that utilize the full power of the current technology. To use an analogy, it's like Abu Dhabi building Man City a 90,000 seater all singing, all dancing stadium. Pretty pointless when they can only get 45,000 fans to show up.
 
All that build-up, and Sony still haven't revealed Weaste.
 
This whole thing was trying to be a preemptive strike against microsoft and sadly for the watching viewers it didn't really work at all because the things we want to see and know - i.e. the console and the stats weren't there - which is simply because Sony are waiting for MS. It's like a big shit game of chess with some nice cut-scenes.
 
To be fair if you splashed out £2000+ on a high-end PC and then get all pissy about how game developers are making games for consoles and not your super-machine, then you deserve it for:

A) Not understanding how the real world works, where game developers make games for the system that will make them the most money, and that's not you and the ten thousand other people in the world with high-end gaming PCs - it's the millions of console gamers.
B) Expecting to have the best just because you paid the most money.
C) Being an arrogant feckwit.

The difference between console gaming and PC gaming is neglible. Not to mention that the consoles often get exclusives that won't touch your fabled PC because no one will fecking buy them. Not to mention that developers won't make games for the PC any more anyway since they all get pirated and thus they make no money. And finally, any games that DO come out on the PC are only shoddy console ports, so you might as well have got them on the £400 system in the first place, since they're exactly the same.

:)
 
Poxbo said:
I'm looking at the broader picture and it feels like a sideways step to me. Since when has a brand new console coming out been about "Budget Gaming"? The only reason the Graphics are comparable is because the games on PC are developed for multi platforms.

What developer is going to create a first person shooter and push the graphics to the limit of current PC technology when they can't then port it to the consoles to make the money? On top of that, they're not going to want to make the PC games look too good as it'll age the consoles too quickly.

It's not so much a petty "PC fan-boi" whine at Sony, it's more disappointment at slowing down of the exponential evolution of gaming technology. I guess it was going to come at some point and perhaps it's more about the difficulty of developing games that utilize the full power of the current technology. To use an analogy, it's like Abu Dhabi building Man City a 90,000 seater all singing, all dancing stadium. Pretty pointless when they can only get 45,000 fans to show up.
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Who mentioned "Budget gaming"?

Slowing down the exponential evolution of gaming technology? This is exactly the problem, it's 'exponential' (though not really) people can't afford it. That's not being on a budget, that's just simply not having a thousand pound to throw around on a PC. What your getting at isn't for this thread and the second paragraph is mind-blowing because they realise exactly my point. Consoles are aimed at a different market, not the hardcore PC-tech lovers.
 
Count Orduck said:
To be fair if you splashed out £2000+ on a high-end PC and then get all pissy about how game developers are making games for consoles and not your super-machine, then you deserve it for:

A) Not understanding how the real world works, where game developers make games for the system that will make them the most money, and that's not you and the ten thousand other people in the world with high-end gaming PCs - it's the millions of console gamers.
B) Expecting to have the best just because you paid the most money.
C) Being an arrogant feckwit.

The difference between console gaming and PC gaming is neglible. Not to mention that the consoles often get exclusives that won't touch your fabled PC because no one will fecking buy them. Not to mention that developers won't make games for the PC any more anyway since they all get pirated and thus they make no money. And finally, any games that DO come out on the PC are only shoddy console ports, so you might as well have got them on the £400 system in the first place, since they're exactly the same.

:)
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Actually the reason I'm "pissy" is because I built the PC with future proofing in mind and with the excitement of seeing the new generations being like a shot in the arm the industry needs when in reality it doesn't really seem to have taken the technology forward much at all and they're working harder to make the "whole package" and bringing it all together which while it's good for console gamers, doesn't really do much for us PC Gamers.

I'm disappointed not because I'm an "arrogant feckwit" PC gamer, but because I've always enjoyed PC gaming much more than consoles, I like the freedom the modding and the excitement of upgrading and tweaking rather than just putting a disk in and playing the game in such a restrictive way but I can see the way PC gaming is going and it underwhelms me. I appreciate that the Console industry subsidizes the PC Games industry but at the same time it holds it back and that's why I'm disappointed the technology in the PS3 isn't any sort of a step forward on current PC technology because it means it's going to be a slow 5 or so years for PC Gaming.
 
Poxbo said:
Actually the reason I'm "pissy" is because I built the PC with future proofing in mind and with the excitement of seeing the new generations being like a shot in the arm the industry needs when in reality it doesn't really seem to have taken the technology forward much at all and they're working harder to make the "whole package" and bringing it all together which while it's good for console gamers, doesn't really do much for us PC Gamers.
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Nur nur :p
 
Adzzz said:
Who mentioned "Budget gaming"?

Slowing down the exponential evolution of gaming technology? This is exactly the problem, it's 'exponential' (though not really) people can't afford it. That's not being on a budget, that's just simply not having a thousand pound to throw around on a PC. What your getting at isn't for this thread and the second paragraph is mind-blowing because they realise exactly my point. Consoles are aimed at a different market, not the hardcore PC-tech lovers.
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This is my point though, they are aimed at different markets but they are intertwined. The PC Gaming market relies on the Console Market. Without the Console Market there would probably be no Gaming market at all these days or if there was they wouldn't be working with the same budgets (although maybe more independent developers would have survived and the games would be smaller but better quality) and that's why I'm disappointed the PS4 doesn't pack the same sort of potential the PS3 did, because it means PC Gaming is going to go from sprinting forward in the 90's to the canter of the 00's to a bit of a walk in the 10's.


Maybe it'll be for the best though, I'm the first to moan that too much emphasis is put on Graphics these days, maybe it will be a bit of a watershed where less money is needed working on the look and feel of a game and more is put into the content and how it plays.
 
rcoobc said:
Now those were the days. You were the coolest kid in the block if you had one of them.
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My mate had one of them and we used to play Crash Team racing in 4 player split screen mode on his 14inch TV :lol: you could barely see what you were doing!
 
Poxbo said:
This is my point though, they are aimed at different markets but they are intertwined. The PC Gaming market relies on the Console Market. Without the Console Market there would probably be no Gaming market at all these days and that's why I'm disappointed the PS4 doesn't pack the same sort of potential the PS3 did, because it means PC Gaming is going to go from sprinting forward in the 90's to the canter of the 00's to a bit of a walk in the 10's.


Maybe it'll be for the best though, I'm the first to moan that too much emphasis is put on Graphics these days, maybe it will be a bit of a watershed where less money is needed working on the look and feel of a game and more is put into the content and how it plays.
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Right...there is a good reason for this.

People can't afford the high-tech PC market. Just because you have the money to spend doesn't mean you can't waste it. You're disappointed in the PS4 because it won't help the PC? There is a huge lack of logic here and this discussion would be best had in the bustling high-tech PC thread...

Back to the PS4 - I must be the only person not hyped about Watch Dogs.
 
I remember using my multitap for Mashed. That was so much fun.
 
Adzzz said:
Right...there is a good reason for this.

People can't afford the high-tech PC market. Just because you have the money to spend doesn't mean you can't waste it. You're disappointed in the PS4 because it won't help the PC? There is a huge lack of logic here and this discussion would be best had in the bustling high-tech PC thread...

Back to the PS4 - I must be the only person not hyped about Watch Dogs.
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I like the look of Killzone though. I am a bit biased because I loved Killzone 2 and 3!

I actually think Watchdogs could be great on the Wii U. They could utilise the gamepad for all the text messages etc.
 
I think it's been explained many times in this thread but once again:

PC does NOT equal a console. Even if you have the latest cpu and gpu in your computer they won't be used to their full capabilities, not even close. Even if you make the game specifically for PC. The Windows OS is a huge wall, you've got the direct x API and everything. Microsoft don't allow developers the same freedom and low level access to the hardware.

Consoles are made purely as a game machines, everything is put together with one and only purpose, to get the best out of the hardware. Developers have the freedom to squeeze every last drop of performance that is humanly possible from the specs they're given. And some extremely talented developers are capable of doing miracles.

I don't doubt games will look amazing, the platform for it is very good.

Still not sure about the low clocked CPU, it does seem like a bottleneck. But the RAM is amazing.

Oh, and Weaste failed us. No BC. feck off Weaste, you don't know shit.
 
Same but likewise I'm a killzone fan - hope they make the controls feel a little less heavy though.
 
Adzzz said:
Right...there is a good reason for this.

People can't afford the high-tech PC market. Just because you have the money to spend doesn't mean you can't waste it. You're disappointed in the PS4 because it won't help the PC? There is a huge lack of logic here and this discussion would be best had in the bustling high-tech PC thread...

Back to the PS4 - I must be the only person not hyped about Watch Dogs.
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Why not?
 
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