You can't! We've been through this. The vast majority of game developers out there do not have the knowledge to do it, and the ones that do are limited.
I'll tell you what, get Sony to give me a different job?
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You can't! We've been through this. The vast majority of game developers out there do not have the knowledge to do it, and the ones that do are limited.
I'll tell you what, get Sony to give me a different job?
Why do they not have the knowledge to do it? So how is AI scripted and enhanced currently?
So.... get the qualified people on board, put money into researching it and benefit from the improvements.
I understand it's a specialist field, so they need to start employing the specialist people. Much like when the Graphics capabilities started to take steps forward, they brought in some fantastic artists to work alongside the graphic designers and coder's to make the games look better.
It's time to get together bigger and better teams of Artificial Intelligence specialists to make video games play better and stop feeling so linear.
Do you think the rewards would match the cost of that improvement Pexbo?
The AI is ridiculously shit on many games, on all devices.
Blu-Ray technology is a lot cheaper than it was when PS3 was launched, remember it was one of the first Blu-Ray players. Then they have not spent millions on CELL this time.
USD449 and USD559 are very plausible price points. I don't think either Sony or MS would want to overpower their systems again and have the next generation last 7 years.
It's $399
You should know to take what that idiot says with a pinch of salt, he's trying to goad me!The truth is (as I've said on here before), A.I isn't looked at as important as once was. The vast majority of the budget goes into graphics these days, and because most engines come with pathfinding and there's plenty of bog standard plug in A.I engines, it just isn't up there on the least of things to work on.
As the machines have got powerful enough to handle complex A.I without much work, the work isn't done. The likes of COD don't help, Fifa is by and large the same as it was years ago, and the likes of skyrim need minimal.
It's just a stalled area, and won't get any better anytime soon
The truth is (as I've said on here before), A.I isn't looked at as important as once was. The vast majority of the budget goes into graphics these days, and because most engines come with pathfinding and there's plenty of bog standard plug in A.I engines, it just isn't up there on the least of things to work on.
As the machines have got powerful enough to handle complex A.I without much work, the work isn't done. The likes of COD don't help, Fifa is by and large the same as it was years ago, and the likes of skyrim need minimal.
It's just a stalled area, and won't get any better anytime soon
Do you agree that it's an area they should work on? It's probably why I've always appreciated Molyneax because he recognises things like AI are what make a game what it is.
I just think that if you had top notch AI in even the most linear game like COD, all of a sudden each play through is a different experience. It's the reason people play multiplayer instead of campaigns, because its a different game every time with different personalities.
You put great AI in a sandbox game like GTA or Skyrim and you'd have an unbelievable game.
Of course I do! I've banged on about it enough
I used to specialise in gameplay mechanics, including A.I. Though of course, this was back in the days when you had to work for it.
I don't think it's about shortening the lifespan. It's probably more to do with a) if people are willing to pay those prices today and b) keeping them as viable options against other gaming mediums. e.g. mobile, the steam box, steaming etc etc
This next generation will go on as long as sales are good. I think Sony have probably been wise this time, and instead of looking at when the PS3 sales started to flag, look at when the competition has, and have got the PS4 out there first at potentially cheaper/same price.
I think at the time of launch, Sony priced the PS3 at the cheapest they possible could, not many people believe it but for what you got with the PS3 at launch, it was quite cheap.
If you look at how the PS3 sales have almost caught up with the 360, despite being almost a year behind and almost twice as expensive at most point. I think Sony getting the PS4 out there first, at the rumored price point. I think they could quite easily "win" this generation.
That HQ in american only really housed music and pictures. The 1,500 people in that building is relatively small hat when you come to think of Sony as an entity. SCEA is at Foster City.
Anyway i did not say they needed to win, but i think they will, and if they do.. they stand to earn a lot more than they will be just competing.
I suppose it comes down to how you want to define a win. Or why you'd even want to?
Market share is a fickle thing. As far as us gamers go, the more competition the better, if we think gaming is in a lull at the moment, imagine having one machine?
Oh and Sony are in trouble. As much as Weaste wants to spin it, he knows they were forced to go the PC-lite developer friendly route this time, rather than choose it. I said long ago, and I know people inside there who say the same, if they'd have done that a little more with the PS2 it'd be game over by now and I stand by that.
If the PS4 is beaten by the next Xbox could Sony pull out of game biz? Or are their finance's not really that bad? The games division makes lots of cash for them right?
There may well be no actual next gen after this one anyway.
Although having said that, people should be warned that these consoles are even less 'future proof' than the last ones. So they'll probably have a shorter life span, and then it'll either go cloud fully or one last gen.
The last round were only comparable to mid-high level PC's at the time, but there were still graphic improvements to have (HD, lighting, texture filtering), this time there's not so much, so although the games will initially look pretty, they'll date quicker than last time.
That's interesting. Did you read that article with the ex Microsoft guy who was coming down hard on the Xbox? I always thought the Xbox was a great success but according to this fella it has barely been profitable. Makes you wonder whether it is worth it or not.
Both Sony and M$ have done the Chelsea/City thing really.
Sony with the Emotion Engine and Cell (the latter especially costly, since much to Weaste's protests it never really took off), and M$ by trying to throw PC hardware at the problem.
This time around they are more reserved, but they'll still not make profit on their machines. M$ seem to have flinched a little more than Sony, whereas Sony are really hoping their machine is powerful enough to really grab the share.
The problem with the PS4 is the games list, people can bang on about 3rd party games all they want, but as Nintendo proves time and again it's even more about strong 1st party to contain market share. Despite Sony being in the game so long now, they still don't really have a strong line-up and they will still be trying to compete with M$ on the motion stuff. Look at the Vita, they have the most powerful handheld ever and there's feck all on there to inspire people.
This is why I really hope they have something to show, something else other than the same stuff we saw on the PS3. Because if we are all honest with ourselves, a new GT, a new Killzone, a new uncharted? It's all a bit old hat - and not in a nostalgia way like the millionth Mario game.
I hope they pull it off, they really need this.
Really? So then what would happen after this next playstation? And explain it in normal English for me please , I don't understand all this technical malarkey
Really? So then what would happen after this next playstation? And explain it in normal English for me please , I don't understand all this technical malarkey
Technial malarkey? I always keep my posts to the point, I'm not Weaste
One word: Cloud.
Surely MS need some exclusives more then Sony though? They hardly have any! And I'm saying that as someone who has had a 360 for years. I stuck with it because I just think Xbox live is different class and I like the controller. But apart form Halo and Gears they have nothing!
So if this is the last gen then what will we play games on in the future?
Cloud.
Basically, you will have a very simple system that will connect to a supercomputer via the internet. It will send the supercomputer the commands you make on your controller and it will send you back a stream of the game you are playing.
I think that's the jist of it anyway?
EDIT - Personally I'm not a big fan of the idea, call me old fashioned but I love upgrading my system and modding my favourite games to suit my playing experience.
Well I don't know enough about that machine right now. I suspect I know a little more than Weaste though
Yes they too need strong 1st party games, but they do have the PC link up. I'm wondering if we'll see something slightly left of field from them.
Anyway, this thread is PS4, and as much as I respect and love to argue with Weaste, with him gone for a bit it's refreshing to talk honestly and open about it without his over-zealous twisting of things
Neither am I, I hate the thought.
But it's inevitable, and if you think games are dumb now, wait until we get much more limited choice of new titles due to people spamming the feck out of the same old shit
What the bugger is Cloud gaming?
You know how your head is always in a far away place? Soon you'll be joined by your games.
Yeah but I don't understand how games can improve this way. Bollocks to that, I want reality gaming.
They can't and they won't.
But it is what will happen, sooner or later we'll have nothing but a t.v and one tiny little box that plugs into the back of it that does everything.
Weaste reckons this is the last gen, but I think we'll have one more small leap.
Why wouldn't games be able to improve though if effectively your just sending signals back to some super computer, tthen couldn't the super computer be upgraded to play an improved game?
Because graphics aren't everything.
It is how I measure the technological leap in video games though, and many others do too, I bet.
Of course it is and that is the problem.
It's underneath what keeps you coming back to a game though. Do you really think that the majority of 13-30 year old males who play games keep coming back because it looks pretty?
So how are you going to do that with this next generation of games? How did you do that with the last?
Because both lots were/are already behind the curve.
And if that's how you measure the leap in games, are you saying that this generation of games is better than the last, or the one before that, or the one before that?
And how do you even know what you are looking at? Do you know, for example, if the lighting techniques are different?
These aren't necessarily direct questions to you, just something to think about.
I think they both need them. This time round MS early on had the big money and appeal due to halo and I know quite a few people who bought one just to play that.
If either party can pull a game that everyone wants to play like that this time round and lock it purely to there console then it goes a long way towards pushing people towards there console. For me it will have to be a new franchise though. A sequel while will draw some numbers doesn't capture the imagination nearly as well as something new IMO
fecking hell, I lost a long post (by my standards) in reply to you guys about the graphics in games, as I had been logged out for some reason.
I was yapping about a subject I don't have a clue about anyway so probably for the best.
The bottom line of my post was that graphics have improved with each generation of consoles and it's become my benchmark to tell how strong the current generation of consoles is. I wasn't implying that graphics are more important than gameplay offcourse.
You could argue that graphics have been come more important than game play in a way this generation. You just have to look at things like COD. Basically the same game each year, yet they harp on about better graphics as one of the points in marketing it. Actual game play seems to have some how slipped down the pecking order right now.
Hopefully when the PS4/Nextbox come out the next generation will start to again focus more on game play and depth as the graphics improvements slow down for a while.
Hopefully when the PS4/Nextbox come out the next generation will start to again focus more on game play and depth as the graphics improvements slow down for a while.
What happened in here?
you left, so discussion moved onto AI and graphics that can be improved in the next gen of consoles. I'm sure come wednesday? all discussion will be back to the PS4 only