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So, the school teacher came and told off the School children.
 
Is it still the case though that the Tories intend to ring-fence the NHS budget post 2015 with Labour not yet willing to do so?

The economy is the stumbling block for Labour, i can't imagine that Miliband and Balls expected things to pan out as they have done.
 
Is it still the case though that the Tories intend to ring-fence the NHS budget post 2015 with Labour not yet willing to do so?

The economy is the stumbling block for Labour, i can't imagine that Miliband and Balls expected things to pan out as they have done.
The economy's something neither party can really crow about, the Tories were expecting to go into the next election with the deficit eliminated, pledging tax cuts. Instead, there's another parliament's worth of spending cuts. It's not as fatal an issue for them as it was appearing a year or so ago, but it's still not a point in their favour.

A lot of positioning from Labour and the Lib Dems recently that seem to emphasise what they agree on, and I'm coming round to that coalition being the likeliest outcome.
 
The economy's something neither party can really crow about, the Tories were expecting to go into the next election with the deficit eliminated, pledging tax cuts. Instead, there's another parliament's worth of spending cuts. It's not as fatal an issue for them as it was appearing a year or so ago, but it's still not a point in their favour.

A lot of positioning from Labour and the Lib Dems recently that seem to emphasise what they agree on, and I'm coming round to that coalition being the likeliest outcome.

I don't know if they really expected that when talking amongst themselves, but either way the Tories do have a stronger card to play economically than i previously envisaged. A few years ago the Labour leadership probably saw this as little more than a waiting game before resuming majority government, whereas now the reins will have to have be seized instead of expecting them to be gifted.

The threat from UKIP remains somewhat of an unknown however i foresee Conservative HQ using the media to advantage so far as they are concerned.
 
Who in the world is going to vote Labour at the next election? On what possible basis?

Unreal comments from Balls today saying that it'll be difficult to govern with the deficit they will 'inherit'. How does he have the nerve?

Labour isn't a political party - it's a cult.
 
Who in the world is going to vote Labour at the next election? On what possible basis?

Unreal comments from Balls today saying that it'll be difficult to govern with the deficit they will 'inherit'. How does he have the nerve?

Labour isn't a political party - it's a cult.
Whats wrong with any of that? And why are Labour a cult? (the party or the voters?)
 
The same way the tories managed to fix the narrative that they inherited a deficit from Labour, despite having been against regulation whist in opposition and always pledging to match Labour's spending plans.

People will vote for Labour because they believe in some form of social democracy and the tories aren't going to provide that. I wish the choice wasn't quite so restrictive but it's the bullshit system that the tories adore.
 
Who in the world is going to vote Labour at the next election? On what possible basis?

Unreal comments from Balls today saying that it'll be difficult to govern with the deficit they will 'inherit'. How does he have the nerve?

Labour isn't a political party - it's a cult.

Well maybe they didn't expect the Tories to oversee the slowest recovery from a recession ever.
 
All three of the main parties can have a cultish element about them it seems to me.


Well maybe they didn't expect the Tories to oversee the slowest recovery from a recession ever.

Would that be the recovery which Labour themselves had in mind in 2010? After all was it not their intention to halve the deficit over the duration of the next parliament?
 
Recoveries are measured on growth, rather than speed of deficit reduction are they not? Labour's precise argument was that cutting too much early on would dent the progress that had been made up to that point.
 
Whats wrong with any of that? And why are Labour a cult? (the party or the voters?)

The deficit we had was partially caused by Labour's irresponsible public spending. Is this even up for debate any more?

And the reason it's a cult is because voting for them is becoming an increasingly irrational thing to do for a huge number of reasons - the principle one being that it makes very little sense as a poor person to vote for a party that actively seeks to make you poorer.

But maybe that's social democracy, I'm not sure.
 
The deficit we had was partially caused by Labour's irresponsible public spending. Is this even up for debate any more?

And the reason it's a cult is because voting for them is becoming an increasingly irrational thing to do for a huge number of reasons - the principle one being that it makes very little sense as a poor person to vote for a party that actively seeks to make you poorer.

But maybe that's social democracy, I'm not sure.
That's all nonsense mate. Weve got headlines in all the papers today saying Balls had taken more responsibility for the financial crisis than any point previously, and I thought you we're making a point about labour internal politics, but your just having a go a voters for voting labour because of your own opinions

If you want to live in a 1 party system, move to China? And what are you on about with labour making poor people poorer. Where are you getting that from. What policy of theirs gives you that?
 
That's all nonsense mate. Weve got headlines in all the papers today saying Balls had taken more responsibility for the financial crisis than any point previously, and I thought you we're making a point about labour internal politics, but your just having a go a voters for voting labour because of your own opinions

If you want to live in a 1 party system, move to China? And what are you on about with labour making poor people poorer. Where are you getting that from. What policy of theirs gives you that?

I want a ten party system. I want people to vote Green. UKIP. Whatever.

I don't criticise people voting left due to my own views. I want people to vote left. I just don't understand why anything apart from pure tribalism would make you vote for a party that routinely builds up huge debts which then negatively affects poor people the most.

The reality is that if you cock up the economy, poor people suffer. Labour always run a huge public sector overspend which usually ends in the Tories being obliged to cut. Even Labour now accept this.

And yet people will still vote for them, despite all the evidence pointing to that being immensely damaging.
 
I think all that is fair enough, but a vote for anyone but the big 3 is a wasted vote sadly.

Labour are the picture definition of populism, that's always going to be hard to go against.
 
I think all that is fair enough, but a vote for anyone but the big 3 is a wasted vote sadly.

Labour are the picture definition of populism, that's always going to be hard to go against.

New voting system needed as soon as possible, if you ask me. It is a desperate situation.
 
Routinely build up huge debts?

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Not...really. Do you actually have any research to hand to prove this theory that Labour damage the poorest?
 
Routinely build up huge debts?



Not...really. Do you actually have any research to hand to prove this theory that Labour damage the poorest?


You're intelligent enough to know that graph isn't even close to being relevant.

It's about building up unsustainable investment in the wrong areas.
 
Like healthcare and pensions?

The Tories have made an absolute howler in maintaining the cost on the NHS. It's becoming the biggest burden a state has ever had to bear outside of military.

Labour's great fault was education and social security payments. Socially and economically backward.
 
Labour's great fault was relying far too heavily on an industry that tends to go pop, and can't be allowed to die.
 
Who in the world is going to vote Labour at the next election? On what possible basis?

Unreal comments from Balls today saying that it'll be difficult to govern with the deficit they will 'inherit'. How does he have the nerve?

Labour isn't a political party - it's a cult.

Most of the electorate. On the basis that the Tories and the Liberals are useless and cnuts.

You don't seem to realise that so many people who vote Labour do so with great regret, for the lack of any better viable option. A cult? I don't know a single Labour voter who actually likes the party as it is today. The dissatisfaction must be far more extreme than any Tories or Liberals have with their parties, who seem to do a fair job of representing the politics of their voters (probably not as racist or homophobic as some Tory voters would like, to be fair).
 
Most of the electorate. On the basis that the Tories and the Liberals are useless and cnuts.

You don't seem to realise that so many people who vote Labour do so with great regret, for the lack of any better viable option. A cult? I don't know a single Labour voter who actually likes the party as it is today. The dissatisfaction must be far more extreme than any Tories or Liberals have with their parties, who seem to do a fair job of representing the politics of their voters (probably not as racist or homophobic as some Tory voters would like, to be fair).

I understand that people vote Labour for that reason, but when people vote for a political party out of fear of another one, then the populace have lost the battle of democracy.

The Conservative Party is not remotely racist or homophobic in the slightest, and nor are the majority of their voters. I tend to find that older or religious people can be homophobic, and you don't find many Tory priests.
 
The same Conservative Party whose majority of MPs voted against same-sex marriage barely a year ago.
 
Like the one the Tories fought against 3 years ago?

And one that a referendum rejected too it must be remembered.


Most of the electorate. On the basis that the Tories and the Liberals are useless and cnuts.

I think you'll find that most of the electorate haven't voted for a single governing party in many years, and we shan't see a return to such at the next election either.


The dissatisfaction must be far more extreme than any Tories or Liberals have with their parties, who seem to do a fair job of representing the politics of their voters (probably not as racist or homophobic as some Tory voters would like, to be fair).

Aren't you Labour types supposed to be less nasty than that? :smirk:

And i think you'll find many voters of the coalition parties who have been dissatisfied with policy decisions, from tuition fees [somewhat irrationally i thought]to planning laws and the recent floods.


The same Conservative Party whose majority of MPs voted against same-sex marriage barely a year ago.

You believe that most if not all of those who voted against are homophobic? I disagree with their decision too however i'm not sure one can draw that conclusion necessarily.
 
It was a homophobic act, that much is clear.
 
I want a ten party system. I want people to vote Green. UKIP. Whatever.

I don't criticise people voting left due to my own views. I want people to vote left. I just don't understand why anything apart from pure tribalism would make you vote for a party that routinely builds up huge debts which then negatively affects poor people the most.

The reality is that if you cock up the economy, poor people suffer. Labour always run a huge public sector overspend which usually ends in the Tories being obliged to cut. Even Labour now accept this.

And yet people will still vote for them, despite all the evidence pointing to that being immensely damaging.
If you're really going to criticize Labour for the banking caused financial crisis at least have the decency of not being further to the right. The deficit isn't what made people lose their homes and jobs. It's there and arguably bad, but it's not something that's going to stop joe average paying his rent.
 
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Farage will quit as UKIP leader if Labour gets an outright majority... because he will have "failed"

No mate, you will have succeeded. The better you do, the more likely a Labour majority is :lol:

UK effin politics. Come on UKIP, bring us PR!