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Councils are out of control. I drifted away from Private Eye a while back, but the work they did unpicking the failings at Doncaster council was excellent journalism. Yes this is a DM article (based on Taxpayers'Alliance data, presumably through an FOI?) but seriously, why are these guys earning this much? Over 500 council workers earning more than the PM last year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-budgets-social-housing-bin-collections.html
 
Councils are out of control. I drifted away from Private Eye a while back, but the work they did unpicking the failings at Doncaster council was excellent journalism. Yes this is a DM article (based on Taxpayers'Alliance data, presumably through an FOI?) but seriously, why are these guys earning this much? Over 500 council workers earning more than the PM last year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-budgets-social-housing-bin-collections.html

Meaningless statistic
 
Councils are out of control. I drifted away from Private Eye a while back, but the work they did unpicking the failings at Doncaster council was excellent journalism. Yes this is a DM article (based on Taxpayers'Alliance data, presumably through an FOI?) but seriously, why are these guys earning this much? Over 500 council workers earning more than the PM last year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-budgets-social-housing-bin-collections.html

And i'm sure we call remember those stories from the boom years, wherein councils were switching to fortnightly bin collections and charing people for the right to park outside their own homes.
 
So apparently no-ones brought this up?

More than 2,300 died after fit for work assessment - DWP figures
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Some 2,380 people have died after being found fit for work and losing benefits, Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) figures show.

Between December 2011 and February 2014 the equivalent of about 90 people a month died after their Employment and Support Allowance claim was ended.

Campaigners have called for the "tragic" figures to be investigated.

The DWP said no link could be assumed between the deaths and claimants being deemed fit for work.

'Tragic'
The figures - and the time frame they cover - were released after the Information Commissioner ruled the government should release the statistics, including mortality rates for benefit claimants, in response to Freedom of Information (FOI) requests.

The data does not contain a breakdown of how the people died.

The 2,380 people who died had received Work Capability Assessments (WCA) to decide if they were eligible to receive ESA, which replaced incapacity benefit, income support and severe disablement allowance in 2008.

Of the 2,380, 1,340 died after appealing against their decisions, though it is not known what proportion of those appeals were successful or failed.

Learning disability charity Mencap said the numbers appeared unusually high for people of working age who had so recently been declared fit.

The charity's Rob Holland, who co-chairs the Disability Benefits Consortium, a consortium of charities and other bodies, said: "These tragic figures are concerning and warrant further investigation.

"We know the fit for work test is failing disabled people, with devastating consequences."

The figures said 2,017,070 people were given a decision following their WCA between May 2010 and February 2013, with 40,680 dying within a year of that decision.

But the data showed a decline in the mortality rate of all benefit claimants - the number of deaths per 100,000 people - from 822 to 723 between 2003 and 2013.

This was slower, proportionally, than the decline in the mortality rate of the general population, which fell from 305 to 240 in the same period, according to the statistics.

'Shocking figures'
Mike Sivier, a campaigner who made one of the FOI requests, said: "I am glad that the figures have come out.

"The whole point of making an FOI request was to raise questions. It is important to keep asking questions."

Labour leadership candidate and shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said they were "shocking figures" and called for an "urgent national debate" about the statistics.

The DWP said it had always intended to release the information but only "once they had met the high standards expected of official statistics".

It said it did not hold the information on the reason for the deaths which meant no link could be drawn between the WCA decision and the number of people who died.

A DWP spokesman said: "The mortality rate for people who have died while claiming an out-of-work benefit has fallen over a 10-year period. This is in line with the mortality rate for the general working-age population.

"The government continues to support millions of people on benefits with an £80bn working-age welfare safety net in place."
 
To be fair the BBC did a pretty good job of hiding it down with 'Footballers Unite For Neville Funeral' instead of being one of the major stories
 
Also, unless I'm reading the report incorrectly, the real number appears to be around 4000, not 2380.

2380 people who had been declared fit for work and denied Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
270 people who had been declared fit for work and denied Incapacity Benefit (IB) or Severe Disablement Allowance (SDA)
1340 people who had been declared fit for work, denied ESA and had appealed the decision.

= 3990

For reference

ESA - provides financial support for those unable to work and personalised help for those with limited capability for work. Requires a work capability assessment which groups people into 'fit for work', 'limited capability to work' and 'limited capability for work and limited capability for work-related activity'.

IB
- a defunct benefit which was replaced by ESA

SDA - another defunct benefit which was replaced by ESA
 
Also, unless I'm reading the report incorrectly, the real number appears to be around 4000, not 2380.

2380 people who had been declared fit for work and denied Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
270 people who had been declared fit for work and denied Incapacity Benefit (IB) or Severe Disablement Allowance (SDA)
1340 people who had been declared fit for work, denied ESA and had appealed the decision.

= 3990

For reference

ESA - provides financial support for those unable to work and personalised help for those with limited capability for work. Requires a work capability assessment which groups people into 'fit for work', 'limited capability to work' and 'limited capability for work and limited capability for work-related activity'.

IB
- a defunct benefit which was replaced by ESA

SDA - another defunct benefit which was replaced by ESA
From what I've read there's a bit of confusion about whether there's overlap between the figures or not, i.e. 1340 of the 2380 had appealed the decision, or whether it's a completely separate bunch.

And we're probably going to have another 15 years of the guys currently in charge.
 
From what I've read there's a bit of confusion about whether there's overlap between the figures or not, i.e. 1340 of the 2380 had appealed the decision, or whether it's a completely separate bunch.

And we're probably going to have another 15 years of the guys currently in charge.

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification.
 
Ah I see, thanks for the clarification.
No worries, either way it looks pretty awful on the face of it. Will have to have a gander at past figures and trends in a bit to see whether it's a break from the norm.
 
So apparently no-ones brought this up?

More than 2,300 died after fit for work assessment - DWP figures
_85219480_jobcentre.jpg

Some 2,380 people have died after being found fit for work and losing benefits, Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) figures show.

Between December 2011 and February 2014 the equivalent of about 90 people a month died after their Employment and Support Allowance claim was ended.

Campaigners have called for the "tragic" figures to be investigated.

The DWP said no link could be assumed between the deaths and claimants being deemed fit for work.

'Tragic'
The figures - and the time frame they cover - were released after the Information Commissioner ruled the government should release the statistics, including mortality rates for benefit claimants, in response to Freedom of Information (FOI) requests.

The data does not contain a breakdown of how the people died.

The 2,380 people who died had received Work Capability Assessments (WCA) to decide if they were eligible to receive ESA, which replaced incapacity benefit, income support and severe disablement allowance in 2008.

Of the 2,380, 1,340 died after appealing against their decisions, though it is not known what proportion of those appeals were successful or failed.

Learning disability charity Mencap said the numbers appeared unusually high for people of working age who had so recently been declared fit.

The charity's Rob Holland, who co-chairs the Disability Benefits Consortium, a consortium of charities and other bodies, said: "These tragic figures are concerning and warrant further investigation.

"We know the fit for work test is failing disabled people, with devastating consequences."

The figures said 2,017,070 people were given a decision following their WCA between May 2010 and February 2013, with 40,680 dying within a year of that decision.

But the data showed a decline in the mortality rate of all benefit claimants - the number of deaths per 100,000 people - from 822 to 723 between 2003 and 2013.

This was slower, proportionally, than the decline in the mortality rate of the general population, which fell from 305 to 240 in the same period, according to the statistics.

'Shocking figures'
Mike Sivier, a campaigner who made one of the FOI requests, said: "I am glad that the figures have come out.

"The whole point of making an FOI request was to raise questions. It is important to keep asking questions."

Labour leadership candidate and shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said they were "shocking figures" and called for an "urgent national debate" about the statistics.

The DWP said it had always intended to release the information but only "once they had met the high standards expected of official statistics".

It said it did not hold the information on the reason for the deaths which meant no link could be drawn between the WCA decision and the number of people who died.

A DWP spokesman said: "The mortality rate for people who have died while claiming an out-of-work benefit has fallen over a 10-year period. This is in line with the mortality rate for the general working-age population.

"The government continues to support millions of people on benefits with an £80bn working-age welfare safety net in place."

Absolute disgrace. And Duncan's answer is to go even harder on the disabled.
 
Pre emptive Trident base renewal
Hinkley point final investment decision due
The migrant swarm / refugee crisis
Dying people declared fit for work
The first pmq's with Cameron and corbyn looks set to be interesting!
When is it 16th?
 
So apparently no-ones brought this up?

More than 2,300 died after fit for work assessment - DWP figures
_85219480_jobcentre.jpg

Some 2,380 people have died after being found fit for work and losing benefits, Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) figures show.

Between December 2011 and February 2014 the equivalent of about 90 people a month died after their Employment and Support Allowance claim was ended.

Campaigners have called for the "tragic" figures to be investigated.

The DWP said no link could be assumed between the deaths and claimants being deemed fit for work.

'Tragic'
The figures - and the time frame they cover - were released after the Information Commissioner ruled the government should release the statistics, including mortality rates for benefit claimants, in response to Freedom of Information (FOI) requests.

The data does not contain a breakdown of how the people died.

The 2,380 people who died had received Work Capability Assessments (WCA) to decide if they were eligible to receive ESA, which replaced incapacity benefit, income support and severe disablement allowance in 2008.

Of the 2,380, 1,340 died after appealing against their decisions, though it is not known what proportion of those appeals were successful or failed.

Learning disability charity Mencap said the numbers appeared unusually high for people of working age who had so recently been declared fit.

The charity's Rob Holland, who co-chairs the Disability Benefits Consortium, a consortium of charities and other bodies, said: "These tragic figures are concerning and warrant further investigation.

"We know the fit for work test is failing disabled people, with devastating consequences."

The figures said 2,017,070 people were given a decision following their WCA between May 2010 and February 2013, with 40,680 dying within a year of that decision.

But the data showed a decline in the mortality rate of all benefit claimants - the number of deaths per 100,000 people - from 822 to 723 between 2003 and 2013.

This was slower, proportionally, than the decline in the mortality rate of the general population, which fell from 305 to 240 in the same period, according to the statistics.

'Shocking figures'
Mike Sivier, a campaigner who made one of the FOI requests, said: "I am glad that the figures have come out.

"The whole point of making an FOI request was to raise questions. It is important to keep asking questions."

Labour leadership candidate and shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said they were "shocking figures" and called for an "urgent national debate" about the statistics.

The DWP said it had always intended to release the information but only "once they had met the high standards expected of official statistics".

It said it did not hold the information on the reason for the deaths which meant no link could be drawn between the WCA decision and the number of people who died.

A DWP spokesman said: "The mortality rate for people who have died while claiming an out-of-work benefit has fallen over a 10-year period. This is in line with the mortality rate for the general working-age population.

"The government continues to support millions of people on benefits with an £80bn working-age welfare safety net in place."

Skivers not strivers, or something
 
Following all of the talk about the appointment women to the shadow cabinet, do you think that there is a successor to to Thatcher amongst those MPs presently on the political scene?

I am of the opinion that this was probably Cooper's best opportunity, whereas Kendall struggled to connect with much of the Labour electorate. Of the leading Tories, Nicky Morgan is the one to watch i reckon.
 
Dennis Skinner deals with BBC spin


Really awful stuff from the BBC. The reporter get out excuse ''That was a joke'' was completely shite as well as odd, it clearly wasn't a joke as you reported it like it was fecking news.
 
Following all of the talk about the appointment women to the shadow cabinet, do you think that there is a successor to to Thatcher amongst those MPs presently on the political scene?

I am of the opinion that this was probably Cooper's best opportunity, whereas Kendall struggled to connect with much of the Labour electorate. Of the leading Tories, Nicky Morgan is the one to watch i reckon.
I assume no mention of May means you think she's blown any chance she had?
 
What is so bad about that? If you've watched the interview in its entirety the context of her closing remarks is pretty clear.
 
I am of the opinion that this was probably Cooper's best opportunity, whereas Kendall struggled to connect with much of the Labour electorate. Of the leading Tories, Nicky Morgan is the one to watch i reckon.

Oh God, really?
 
I assume no mention of May means you think she's blown any chance she had?

Unfortunately for May the timing has never been quite right, she wasn't a potential winner in 2005 and would have to overhaul other frontrunners this time. I also think that she has a bit of a likeability problem, which in part can be traced to policy decisions but not entirely.


Oh God, really?

Any reason in particular?
 
Unfortunately for May the timing has never been quite right, she wasn't a potential winner in 2005 and would have to overhaul other frontrunners this time. I also think that she has a bit of a likeability problem, which in part can be traced to policy decisions but not entirely.

She would clearly rather be an astronaut than an MP. I just dont think her heart is in it.

Theresa-May-4.jpg
 
Any doctors or nurses in the UK on here? Seen quite a few doctors on Twitter and FB moaning about new regulation coming in. Read a few articles but still not 100% clear on the topic.
 
Any doctors or nurses in the UK on here? Seen quite a few doctors on Twitter and FB moaning about new regulation coming in. Read a few articles but still not 100% clear on the topic.

I've seen something about a potential 40% NHS paycut.
 
Any doctors or nurses in the UK on here? Seen quite a few doctors on Twitter and FB moaning about new regulation coming in. Read a few articles but still not 100% clear on the topic.

Not a doctor or nurse but my understanding is the government is trying to reclassify out-of-hours time in the weekends and evenings as standard time that they don't get paid any extra for.
 
I've seen something about a potential 40% NHS paycut.
Not a doctor or nurse but my understanding is the government is trying to reclassify out-of-hours time in the weekends and evenings as standard time that they don't get paid any extra for.
Oh crikey. Read something like that. Saw one woman on my FB saying how they strike and judging by the comments of her other doctor friends, some of them may end up simply quitting as they seem to have gone through a load of shit.
 
Oh crikey. Read something like that. Saw one woman on my FB saying how they strike and judging by the comments of her other doctor friends, some of them may end up simply quitting as they seem to have gone through a load of shit.

If the people I know are anything to go by, most of those who work on the front lines of the medical profession absolutely despise Jeremy Hunt.
 
Oh crikey. Read something like that. Saw one woman on my FB saying how they strike and judging by the comments of her other doctor friends, some of them may end up simply quitting as they seem to have gone through a load of shit.

Either that or move abroad. Can't blame them, though. Medicine is generally thought of us as one of the most prestigious careers to go into, but why would most people even bother when the pay seems to getting ridiculously shite?
 
If the people I know are anything to go by, most of those who work on the front lines of the medical profession absolutely despise Jeremy Hunt.
No idea what they make of him to be honest.
Either that or move abroad. Can't blame them, though. Medicine is generally thought of us as one of the most prestigious careers to go into, but why would most people even bother when the pay seems to getting ridiculously shite?
That was my thinking, a lot more money can be made in the private sector or abroad. Not all about the money but seems as though some feel there is a lack of respect.

My mum works for the NHS, not as a doctor or nurse, but since I've moved back home, whenever she comes home from work, she's moaning about how she feels overworked for how much she gets paid.
 
That was my thinking, a lot more money can be made in the private sector or abroad. Not all about the money but seems as though some feel there is a lack of respect.

My mum works for the NHS, not as a doctor or nurse, but since I've moved back home, whenever she comes home from work, she's moaning about how she feels overworked for how much she gets paid.

Yeah, you can't blame them. They're dealing with death, sickness, and a lot of other serious shit every single day, without too much reward. It's always humbling though whenever you see a doctor/nurse who takes pride in what they do and goes above and beyond what's needed/expected of them. It's hard to blame those who grow disillusioned, though.
 
Yeah, you can't blame them. They're dealing with death, sickness, and a lot of other serious shit every single day, without too much reward. It's always humbling though whenever you see a doctor/nurse who takes pride in what they do and goes above and beyond what's needed/expected of them. It's hard to blame those who grow disillusioned, though.
A catch 22 for them. They moan or go on strike then they may get the things they want but it's morally challenging, even leaving patients for a day. They can suck up the shit they get but then continue to just get taken advantage of. Like you say, can't blame them at all. Hoping it doesn't esculate too much though because if too many become disillusioned then this country will have serious problems.
 
Lib Dems offering a safe haven to the Torie lites and "I'm alright jack voters". Amazing what a taste of power does to you.
 
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As a junior doctor, I'm definitely fecking off to somewhere else in a couple of years. An alarming amount of my mates are planning on doing the same.

9 PM on a Saturday not considered an "unsociable hour" anymore. Cool.
 
As a junior doctor, I'm definitely fecking off to somewhere else in a couple of years. An alarming amount of my mates are planning on doing the same.

9 PM on a Saturday not considered an "unsociable hour" anymore. Cool.
Errrr, when I worked for Sainsburys back in the mid 90's shifts finishing before midnight or starting later than 0145 attracted no unsociable hour payments, including weekends.
 
Errrr, when I worked for Sainsburys back in the mid 90's shifts finishing before midnight or starting later than 0145 attracted no unsociable hour payments, including weekends.
That's disgusting. Bet you could find a job for another company if you didn't like the terms though.