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Incredibly shocking that he still keeps getting commissioned to write. He kind of reminds me of the Rawkites with their 'my rag mate admits this that'...His schtick is so tedious.
Yeah I've read bits and pieces of his writing and it's bog standard stuff. I only posted he's tweet(I've not seen his twitter timeline)as the point he's making isn't wrong.
 
Has he always dressed up like a Farage tribute act?



He'll be utterly insufferable if he wins, ffs Stoke be reasonable.


What was the rationale behind the faux move in the first place? Nuttall sounded rather silly with his admission that he'd never seen it too.
 
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It'd probably improve that outfit of Nuttall's tbf.
 
In another episode of 'dumb shit the Tories' do we had another staggering example of short-termism yesterday.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...-minister-announces-sale-of-student-loan-book

So even getting away from the obvious issues with a private company trying to get a better RoI to justify their purchase can someone explain the logic of this? The only possible explanation for a private company buying it for £12bn is that they think they can make more than £12bn off it. So why not just keep hold of the debt and collect repayments ourselves? The Student Loan Company will still do all admin anyway, so its not like it will cut down on admin either. I genuinely don't get it.
 
In another episode of 'dumb shit the Tories' do we had another staggering example of short-termism yesterday.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...-minister-announces-sale-of-student-loan-book

So even getting away from the obvious issues with a private company trying to get a better RoI to justify their purchase can someone explain the logic of this? The only possible explanation for a private company buying it for £12bn is that they think they can make more than £12bn off it. So why not just keep hold of the debt and collect repayments ourselves? The Student Loan Company will still do all admin anyway, so its not like it will cut down on admin either. I genuinely don't get it.

Debt collection isnt cheap and only a fraction of the total debt is collected. So I guess that either the Government thinks that another company would collect at a much higher rate than they could, or they think that investing to take on the people and tools needed to boost their own collection rate would be cost inefficient.

Whether the sums stack up in real life, I have no idea. But as a theory goes, I can see the logic.
 
Debt collection isnt cheap and only a fraction of the total debt is collected. So I guess that either the Government thinks that another company would collect at a much higher rate than they could, or they think that investing to take on the people and tools needed to boost their own collection rate would be cost inefficient.

Whether the sums stack up in real life, I have no idea. But as a theory goes, I can see the logic.

But according to this proposal doesn't the goverment keep all the bits like that through the SLC?

At any rate the only way you can collect more is by getting more people into higher paying jobs or retroactively change the repayment terms again to make them more onerous. The only conclusion I can come to is that effectively they're going to give it to a private company collect this £12bn and then blame the other company for terms changing as a degree of insurance against the public backlash.

Exactly the same shit they're doing with disability benefits.
 
The Appeaser (and a few others) could do with a world leader's hand to hold after today's PMQs battering.



Jezza's best performance at PMQs bar none. Then again he's rarely been handed dynamite like the Surrey Council leader apparently asking for a sweetheart deal from his paymaster.
 
What sort of barbarism is this PMQs stuff? I'd be appalled if my representatives were arguing like a bunch of buffoons at a bar on live television.
 
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"I'll get you, Corbyn"
 
Jezza's best performance at PMQs bar none. Then again he's rarely been handed dynamite like the Surrey Council leader apparently asking for a sweetheart deal from his paymaster.

Is it just me, or would he not have been better waiting till next week? Article 50 tonight is going to completely drown that story out. If he'd waited a week, then the story would have been able to run and run. This is just the kind of story that normally ends in a junior minister resigning and a bloody nose for the Government, but its going to be hard getting traction in the next 24 to 28 hours.

I dunno, maybe it wouldn't wait for whatever reason, but feels like a short lived success this way.
 
Is it just me, or would he not have been better waiting till next week? Article 50 tonight is going to completely drown that story out. If he'd waited a week, then the story would have been able to run and run. This is just the kind of story that normally ends in a junior minister resigning and a bloody nose for the Government, but its going to be hard getting traction in the next 24 to 28 hours.

I dunno, maybe it wouldn't wait for whatever reason, but feels like a short lived success this way.

The story had already broken and Guido Fawkes published the texts just past noon today. I think Corbyn either had to strike at today's PMQs while the story was fresh or try to whip up interest in an older story later through other means. He probably calculated, rightly in my view, that getting in early at PMQs and scoring a big win there was better than waiting.
 
The story had already broken and Guido Fawkes published the texts just past noon today. I think Corbyn either had to strike at today's PMQs while the story was fresh or try to whip up interest in an older story later through other means. He probably calculated, rightly in my view, that getting in early at PMQs and scoring a big win there was better than waiting.

Ah, didn't know it had broken elsewhere, that makes more sense.

Still, would be a pity if the story goes nowhere. It'd be fun watching the Tories squirm for a bit.
 
Jezza's best performance at PMQs bar none. Then again he's rarely been handed dynamite like the Surrey Council leader apparently asking for a sweetheart deal from his paymaster.

He did well pressing her on the question and she failed miserably to squirm her way out of it.

As with all tory shit storms it'll be under reported by the BBC and barely register across the right leaning press. Useful to build pressure against May though.
 
He did well pressing her on the question and she failed miserably to squirm her way out of it.

As with all tory shit storms it'll be under reported by the BBC and barely register across the right leaning press. Useful to build pressure against May though.

Her way of squirming consists of saying the same answer every time regardless of the substance of the question being posed to her. She did it to Marr over the Trident missile test, to the press in Turkey over Trump's travel ban and now here. She's seems incapable of thinking on her feet without Nick Timothy's arm up her back.
 
Her way of squirming consists of saying the same answer every time regardless of the substance of the question being posed to her. She did it to Marr over the Trident missile test, to the press in Turkey over Trump's travel ban and now here. She's seems incapable of thinking on her feet without Nick Timothy's arm up her back.

Media training for most politicians seems to be to say nothing of substance if you can't say anything beneficial.

To be fair it works as how often do you see headlines calling out the prime minister for being unable to provide an answer? Well apart from if its about the price of milk.

On the other side of the spectrum you've got Corbyn who deviates from the message of the day as he offers up his actual thoughts as if it were a friendly chat. Id rather that approach to media lines to be fair but somewhere in the middle is probably best
 
Media training for most politicians seems to be to say nothing of substance if you can't say anything beneficial.

To be fair it works as how often do you see headlines calling out the prime minister for being unable to provide an answer? Well apart from if its about the price of milk.

On the other side of the spectrum you've got Corbyn who deviates from the message of the day as he offers up his actual thoughts as if it were a friendly chat. Id rather that approach to media lines to be fair but somewhere in the middle is probably best

Agreed. Corbyn can get led off-message far too easily and, as much as it's tempting to say "good, it's about time we had a human leading us rather than these fecking polished robots", not being able to deliver a cohesive set of lines on what you and your party think is a poor look for a leader.
 
The Appeaser (and a few others) could do with a world leader's hand to hold after today's PMQs battering.



She's using 'alternative facts' as an insult. That just makes her look stupid because she's cosied up to the morons who coined it. Doesn't really help her cause to keep reminding people of that.
 
He'll probably be about getting his pension when Labour are in power again.:nervous:

Maybe. Then again I recall Harold Wilson resigning and proudly claiming to have made the Labour party the natural ruling party of Britain, and given Tony Blair's record many said the same then. Except inbetween there was Thatcher, and guess what, that's what she said as well. Not a party political point here, just saying, things can change quite fast really.
 
Jezza's best performance at PMQs bar none. Then again he's rarely been handed dynamite like the Surrey Council leader apparently asking for a sweetheart deal from his paymaster.

That pointing idiot to his right was really off-putting. And the guy to her right looked like he was born in a castle with a silver spoon in his mouth, carefully held by a humble servant.
 
Maybe. Then again I recall Harold Wilson resigning and proudly claiming to have made the Labour party the natural ruling party of Britain, and given Tony Blair's record many said the same then. Except inbetween there was Thatcher, and guess what, that's what she said as well. Not a party political point here, just saying, things can change quite fast really.

Oh yeah, I was half-joking anyway. As much as Labour have an uphill struggle ahead, if they do appoint a decent leader then they may capitalise; I suspect May is probably quite off-putting to many more liberal, pro-European Tories who may not feel the party represents them, and all Labour would really need to be competitive again is a five or six point swing. Unlikely they'll win in 2020 but a strong opposition would certainly put them in contention again. And whoever the next leader is would have the benefit of low polling figures. Meaning just about any sort of improvement can be seen as forward momentum.
 
Let's face it, who else is it going to be? Granted, a lot can change between now and 2020/2025, but the Lib Dems are back to being a protest party and the SNP don't even want a seat at the table in the first place.

Even if Nuttall wins in Stoke, the Greens and UKIP can only scrape together three MPs at this point.

Labour will need an actual policy on immigration though, not merely words which conceal the previous message (a la Thornberry). They can push for reform of the points system and existing visa fees (indeed i would like such), however EU FoM ought to be binned from their messaging. As Maajid Narwaz stated on QT last week, the traditional Left must begin to form policies in line with the future they've got, rather than the one they'd like.
 
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Conservative official suspended over racist tweet aimed at Diane Abbott
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ended-over-racist-tweet-aimed-at-diane-abbott
“Can you tell me what’s wrong with the tweet? I thought it was her size and her appearance, nothing to do with colour.”
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It looks like the next generation of Tories are all set to fit in seamlessly too.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cambridge-tory-student-sets-fire-9786435?ICID=FB_mirror_main
 
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Serial liar Paul Nuttall admitting today he lied about having a close friend who died at Hillsborough. Despicable cnut.
 
It is good that UKIP have him as leader. Farage at least had charisma that seemed to carry him and the party, Nuttall has nothing going for him at all.

His one thing he had was a sort of Northern, working-class appeal to tempt over Labour voters but I suspect this sort of shite will make that fade.
 


He's got some appalling judgement when it comes to employing press officers. His 'professional footballer for Tranmere' claim, his linkedin PhD claim and now this have all apparently been down to them.
 


He's got some appalling judgement when it comes to employing press officers. His 'professional footballer for Tranmere' claim, his linkedin PhD claim and now this have all apparently been down to them.

That excuse isn't going to work for him.