He HASN'T won anything! You can't just dismiss that as though it doesn't matter because if you are being handed the Man Utd job it very much does. I would like to know that the manager we have in place has the tools to get teams over the line when the pressure is on. I was against the appointment of Moyes for that reason. Now Im not putting Pochettino in the same category as Moyes but some of the same questions remain.
He has, by hook or by crook ended up with the best Spurs team of modern times. Yet big bad Jose Mourinho totally outclassed him in an FA Cup Semi Final when Spurs had the initial initiative. Juventus knocked them out of the CL when Spurs had the initiative and in the season where every so-called "big" club had an absolute nightmare Leicester City beat them to the title. When the chips are down, the pressure is on, and there is suddenly a little bit of expectation attached to his teams they have not performed well. That doesn't mean he is a poor manager or couldn't make the step up but it leaves enough questions for it not to simply be dismissed.
While he has been getting all the plaudits for this Spurs team being absolutely amazing and at the same time we have been getting criticism left right and centre the cold reality is that we have won an FA Cup, a Europa League, a League Cup, a Community Shield, been runners up in the league and runners up in the FA Cup. Thats what the terrible Man Utd team have achieved. What has he done with his great team? Once you get past the great football he isn't putting much in the trophy cabinets.
I don't think the 'by hook or by crook' line is fair to Poch. He brought a lot of those players in, and was the one to give Kane a chance and back him after some not overly impressive loan spells, replacing an expensive signing (possible club record at the time) in the process.
Not discounting the fact he hasn't won anything, and it does remain a big negative against him, but he is competing with teams that have far greater resources. They will be in the top 4 mix again this season and could secure one of the domestic trophies.
How come no one is mentioning Luis Enrique?
Treble winning manager. The team he managed was considered one of the best ever. I'd definitely like to see him here.
Interesting. So United is about to be turned into one of those 'change the manager every other season' clubs. Maybe I better get used to it.
Moyes was clearly meant to be a long term manager. LvG was brought in because he had a prior reputation of setting up the club well for future manager's despite not being a manager who wins a lot of trophies (a reputation he failed to live up to). I think the club hired Mourinho because it had been three years since a PL trophy so they wanted a 'sure thing' to get it back, which unfortunately hasn't worked out either.I think we all have to get used to it sadly, it's how modern football is, and we're not being run in any way that suggests to me we're going to be unique and have long term managers, as much as we'd all love that.
This is pretty much how I feel as well, I’m not even really that convinced Zidane is that great of a manager but it’s fecking Zinedine Zidane.I mean, I think I'd like Zidane purely because ... well ... it's Zinedine fecking Zidane!
But Poch would still be my #1 choice. It won't happen though, not for a few years at least.
Laughable thread. A lot of people seem to be getting giddy over managers based on name and hype. Have some of you watched Allegri’s games completely? Have you done your proper research on Zidane? How are you sure they are the right fit for you, considering the squad available?
Some people are in for a rude awakening when United switches manager, I’m afraid.
I mean, I think I'd like Zidane purely because ... well ... it's Zinedine fecking Zidane!
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This is pretty much how I feel as well, I’m not even really that convinced Zidane is that great of a manager but it’s fecking Zinedine Zidane.
I guess there are questions over him much like when Pep had Barca, how much of it is him and how much of it was the group of incredible players he has. Did finish 17 points off Barca last season in 3rd.
Yeah but mate... Zinedine FECKING Zidane!The situations of Pep/Zidane are not comparable to me.
Both took over a team struggling(Barcelona more-so) and managed to turn them around.
The way they turned them around though differs massively.
Zidane's team at Real Madrid was essentially set. There was no retooling needed. He just needed to get the best out of the team at hand. He never made a signing for the 1st team, and the only real tinkering he did with the first XI was bringing in Casemiro, and then the diamond with Isco at the tip in 2016-2017.
Pep arrived to a Barcelona team that while very talented struggled in the prior season(with just a CL semi-final to show for).
He made changes to his team and of course began his implementation of positional play. Deco and Ronaldinho left. 2 main players from the Rijkaard Era.
He brought in Alves and Pique. Promoted Busquets and Pedro that season. Got the best out of Henry(for only 1 season, but still) when Rijkaard didn't. He was the one who used Messi as the false 9. There was a massive re-haul at Barcelona and it culminated in the 3rd season when their play peaked.
Zidane didn't reshape the Madrid team much through incoming players(except for Asensio as a youth product) nor through a tactical point of view. He definitely had his mark on the team through their incredible winning mentality that he certainly bestowed on them.
However, I don't see them at all comparable. I like Zidane and would obviously think it'd be awesome if he was our manager though.
People can criticize Pep for him always having a 'stacked' team, but he sure stamps his mark on his teams from a tactical point of view. I don't think Zidane has and he'd be coaching a weaker team compared to his Real one.
It'd be a big risk IMO.
Yeah but mate... Zinedine FECKING Zidane!
I don't think the 'by hook or by crook' line is fair to Poch. He brought a lot of those players in, and was the one to give Kane a chance and back him after some not overly impressive loan spells, replacing an expensive signing (possible club record at the time) in the process.
Not discounting the fact he hasn't won anything, and it does remain a big negative against him, but he is competing with teams that have far greater resources. They will be in the top 4 mix again this season and could secure one of the domestic trophies.
I bet the man could still strap on the boots and give a masterclass as well.Hey, it'd be amazing seeing him manage us. Not going to say it wouldn't be.
If he managed to turn us around, his legacy would grow exponentially.
Oh, I've missed that bit.Because he has just got Spain NT job.
"By hook or by crook" wasn't really meant as an insult to him, it was more of a response to people saying he is operating on a budget and therefore shouldn't have the same expectations as perhaps Man Utd or Chelsea or the other "big" teams. Whether bought in, inherited or developed, most of his team is on a par value wise with the top sides and that's what we need to compare. Kane wasn't a big signing but he is worth more than the other top clubs strikers. His defensive pair are the same, Deli Alli the same. The value of his first XI will be on par with most of the top sides so the expectation level should be too IMO.
Im not sure at what point Spurs not winning anything can be excused by a historic lack of trophies when the players on the park are better than those that have gone before them.
I suppose the counter to that is that Poch got them playing in a manner which sees their current market value so high due to the style of play and results he's got from them. Would that squad be playing to this level with a different man at the helm? Difficult to say but I'd doubt it.
All that being said, I am in full agreement that he needs to get some silverware in before he can be considered among the elite. I think the English press have lauded him and hold him in higher regard than perhaps he should be.
Right now I don't want to see another managerial change. If Jose remains in his job then it means we are going through a period of success.
Why? Given what's at stake, the board are never going to give the managerial job to someone with no relevant experience.
People mentioning Pochettino remind me of people who wanted Moyes 5 years ago. Both points in favor and against Poch, were also for Moyes. If you actually get posts about Poch, change the name to Moyes, and turn the time back 5 years, those posts won't look out of place.
Now obviously, Poch is a better manager than Moyes. That is not enough though.
He wouldn't make my top 5 choices, probably not my top 10.
The board were initially planning to go from LVG to Giggs - so I wouldn't say they were never going to give a managerial job to someone with no experience. Someone like Butt has now managed the lower levels of the Club & has the chance of getting the job on an interim basis quite easily.
In my opinion - ex players in comparison to couple decades ago are continuing to be involved in football than simply retire & ex players share the same viewpoint of the direction of a club in comparison to a manager who merely has experience but has no experience in understanding the fans, the history, even the current players & their lifestyle is more understood by a player who simply retired a couple years ago.
People mentioning Pochettino remind me of people who wanted Moyes 5 years ago. Both points in favor and against Poch, were also for Moyes. If you actually get posts about Poch, change the name to Moyes, and turn the time back 5 years, those posts won't look out of place.
Now obviously, Poch is a better manager than Moyes. That is not enough though.
He wouldn't make my top 5 choices, probably not my top 10.
How come no one is mentioning Luis Enrique?
Treble winning manager. The team he managed was considered one of the best ever. I'd definitely like to see him here.
