I'm just wondering if an ex player might instil some passion into the current players. I think Mourinho tries to make a name for himself, and Van Gaal before him.
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I'm just wondering if an ex player might instil some passion into the current players. I think Mourinho tries to make a name for himself, and Van Gaal before him.
gone for Poch but hope we'd get a good DoF in too
I don’t give a monkeys anymore
Just get Jose out. No progress in our performance since day 1. No clear style of play.
Just get Jose out. No progress in our performance since day 1. No clear style of play.
This really.
That wouldn’t be least surprising, the incompetence runs in the veins at the top of the club’s food chain in terms of footballing matters.Probably not
We are so desperate for a manager whose strength is coaching, has to be the number on priority when Mourinho goes, bringing in a manager like Ancelloti or Zidance would be a compound the problems we have.
Nearly 100 people opting for Giggs or Neville.
The same Ancelotti that lost the league to Montpellier? And then nearly bottled it with Bayern? Absolutely not, he is another dinosaur in the game, just like Mourinho
We've had ex-players on the coaching staff who probably tried that over the past few years. The fact is that the Fergie era is long gone and we need to put it behind us rather than trying to cling onto it. A good manager shouldn't need a Utd history to be able to inspire passion in his players.
Nearly 100 people opting for Giggs or Neville.
fu ck meJust get Wenger in for the season whilst we look around.
Barca also had a period with shit football, with players like Rochemback, Thiago Motta, on loan Davids and that shit portugese player.
It hard to remember, but true.
Nearly 100 people opting for Giggs or Neville.
Guardiola and Zidane worked out alright.
The optimism that it will suddenly get better with a new manager is touching. Maybe it will? But we have been here three times before already.
I’m increasingly convinced that the wilderness years have begun again. Fergie was a one off who kept the train on the tracks and now...
People are forgetting that Mourinho has actually done the best with our players out of everyone since Fergie.
Is our squad cohesive enough to execute any one coach’s vision? With the players we have do people genuinely see us playing a high line and pressing from the front, with that defence? The simplest balls in behind kill us.
I guess if and when Mou goes we’ll see for ourselves if it’s all his fault. Gotta be honest I am now of the mind just to remember what was and have no expectations for the future. As it stands I’ll be honestly surprised if we win the title before 2023.
I’m increasingly convinced that the wilderness years have begun again. Fergie was a one off who kept the train on the tracks and now...
People are forgetting that Mourinho has actually done the best with our players out of everyone since Fergie.
Is our squad cohesive enough to execute any one coach’s vision? With the players we have do people genuinely see us playing a high line and pressing from the front, with that defence? The simplest balls in behind kill us.
I guess if and when Mou goes we’ll see for ourselves if it’s all his fault. Gotta be honest I am now of the mind just to remember what was and have no expectations for the future. As it stands I’ll be honestly surprised if we win the title before 2023.
Again with that crap. Barca won the league practically without a manager.
There's no magic wand here, we've got to be realistic. We're not going to get a top/quality manager in when the transfer window is closed and we're two games into a brand new season. We have to stick with Mourinho and just hope that he can turn this around but it's not going to be easy.
Got to be oppo fans. Got to be. Right?Nearly 100 people opting for Giggs or Neville.
We need a motivator too in my opinion. Zidane could do that.
The two teams playing the best football in the league at the moment have real motivators behind them and it shows on the pitch.
I think we need to be a little progressive and move towards having a head coach who works very closely with a director of football. I think being involved with multiple aspects of an organisation the size of Man Utd is possible yet possibly naive. Sir Alex managed it due to having played a major role in shaping every aspect of the club and also happening to be the greatest manager of all time.
For me we would restructure in having a director of football working closely with a the first team head coach who oversees the coaching staff. I would also put a greater onus on the press officer to handle media obligations and I would want to bring in an experienced agent to work closely with the DOF and the scouting staff. I also find it strange that there isn't such a role as "head of player relations". Considering the size of football clubs as businesses now days they truly are lagging behind medium sized companies.
As far as who that head coach should be I see two options which I would want to explore, either an attacking coach who has shown himself to have a knack for team building. These options are sadly a little limited, Marcelo Gallardo seems to be exciting. Honestly my three choices would have been Favre, Serri and the Girona manager but we have missed the boat on all three. Zidane may also fit into this category however I couldn't really tell you what his play style is which worries me.
The other alternative would be promoting internally, it is a risk however it is a risk that has been shown to pay off. The most fitting candidate would be Carrick as far as names go however his lack of coaching experience is a concern. I hear incredible things about Kieran McKenna and I enjoyed the football he had the youth team playing. As crazy as it might be I would be quite intrigued to see how he did if given time in a much reduced head coach role that allowed him to focus purely on training, tactics and match management. I think with time he might have the potential to build something.
To cut that into a slightly less long winded version, Zinadine Zidane or Kieran McKenna. Very hesitant about both and frustrated that we will wait until every exciting manager is freshly hired by another club then probably hire Carlo Ancelloti.
For me we would restructure in having a director of football working closely with a the first team head coach who oversees the coaching staff. I would also put a greater onus on the press officer to handle media obligations and I would want to bring in an experienced agent to work closely with the DOF and the scouting staff. I also find it strange that there isn't such a role as "head of player relations". Considering the size of football clubs as businesses now days they truly are lagging behind medium sized companies.
As far as who that head coach should be I see two options which I would want to explore, either an attacking coach who has shown himself to have a knack for team building. These options are sadly a little limited, Marcelo Gallardo seems to be exciting. Honestly my three choices would have been Favre, Serri and the Girona manager but we have missed the boat on all three. Zidane may also fit into this category however I couldn't really tell you what his play style is which worries me.
The other alternative would be promoting internally, it is a risk however it is a risk that has been shown to pay off. The most fitting candidate would be Carrick as far as names go however his lack of coaching experience is a concern. I hear incredible things about Kieran McKenna and I enjoyed the football he had the youth team playing. As crazy as it might be I would be quite intrigued to see how he did if given time in a much reduced head coach role that allowed him to focus purely on training, tactics and match management. I think with time he might have the potential to build something.
To cut that into a slightly less long winded version, Zinadine Zidane or Kieran McKenna. Very hesitant about both and frustrated that we will wait until every exciting manager is freshly hired by another club then probably hire Carlo Ancelloti.
Zidane or Pochettino. Plus a DoF
That's true. If we surround him with an excellent coaching team, then I think it would be all right. We are desperate for both good coaching and excellent man management.
Currently Giggs is our third best option if we go by the votes.
Believe it or not he has won 3 games as a manager(and counting)!
The even bigger positive is that Neville has won 7 games more and most likely will be on lower wages!
I think our squad is better than people give credit.
What about Blanc? Maybe not the first name that comes to mind but could work well.
Jose has signed Lindelof and Bailly. Why didn’t he buy a CB that can play out from the back? Or in fact defend.
He has had 3 summer transfer windows and two January windows. He could have opted to buy full backs and hasn’t.
Instead he signs another LW in Sanchez. Where our two most promising youngsters play. Sanchez has been nothing short of crap and has ultimately stunted the development of Rashford and Martial. And now Martial wants to leave as well.
He signs two CM and buys yet another CM this season, who by the way looks a load of crap as well. He spends more time picking himself up from the floor.
So in all a lot of his signings have been expensive duds and he hasn’t targeted the right areas. I’ve defended him in the past but with the amount of money he has spent the football should be better, even if we don’t win trophies.
We’ll see if we get another manager but you can’t oberlook it’s obvious flaws. Pep couldn’t play his way with Sagna, Zabaleta, Kolorov & Clichy. Are we really going to get beautiful football with our defensive options?
I hope so.
Ancelotti is definitely not the answer imo. Unsure about Zidane as well.
But he's the one who signed both of them! That's the problem right there.
Who do you prefer between Zidane, Pochettino and Simeone?
Pochettino wouldnt work with Woody and his 'investments' no?
Seems if you cross Pochettino you are out, he's had arguably the best CB in the league on the bench at Spurs because he refuses to sign a new contract. And is looking to move him on, that would not fly here as we see with Jose wanting Shaw and Martial sold to fund his targets. Pochettino is pretty ruthless about it, his way or the highway, also just dont see it working with mega bucks superstars where it is easier to replace the manager than said unhappy superstars.
Seems if you cross Pochettino you are out, he's had arguably the best CB in the league on the bench at Spurs because he refuses to sign a new contract. And is looking to move him on, that would not fly here as we see with Jose wanting Shaw and Martial sold to fund his targets. Pochettino is pretty ruthless about it, his way or the highway, also just dont see it working with mega bucks superstars where it is easier to replace the manager than said unhappy superstars.
It's definitely good enough to stroll past Brighton, just as City did to Huddersfield. You dont need Alderweireld or Milinkovic-Savic or whoever we were linked with to beat 95% of the teams we will face this season. Last season we beat the top 6 teams, so we're clearly good enough. Jose cant get the best out if them, and it's because he's now unfortunately past it.
Managers, like players, have a shelf life. No big team was willing to hire LVG before us, with good reason. Look at Ancelotti, legendary but managing Napoli now; Capello? Wenger? Mourinho had an excellent run - over a decade of unbroken success, and we got him just as he was heading down.
I just feel like Mourinho's vision isn't explicit enough to feel he is actually trying to implement something.
Historically, he has always been a manager who plays a low block, absorbs pressure, and counters with fast touchline-huggers. But when you look at our side here, it sort of feels like we do not do things that are atypical of Mourinho and his style. We chased Perisic for a bit, but that was sort of it - we don't even have an actual right winger.
And just away from his actual style implementation, I just don't feel he's getting enough of a tune out of what he already has.
As such, the optimism sort of lies in seeing a physical manifestation of tactics - simply seeing some level of coherent tactics being put into place would put me in a much higher positive state of mind. Super early doors and Chelsea are a leaky cauldron at the back but you can see Sarri clearly implementing what he wants within the first two games: The wingers are a lot higher and wider than they were under Conte, the spare midfielder (Kante) is being pushed extremely high, and the fullbacks are fullbacks in a 4.
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Give me a gaffer who gets an attack of Romelu Lukaku, Alexis Sanchez, Paul Pogba, Anthony Martial et al. scoring to a standard they should be (and not scraping past the Bournemouth's and Leicester's) and some level of visibility in identity of football and I'll be one happy chap.
If we continue to play shite after that - then sure, sorry Jose. You are still a better manager than you've been given credit for.
Both young, both 30m - ish. We needed an experienced one - the board vetoed it. All in all we need 4 CB's. Bailly and Lindelof are good in the long run, in the short - we don't have many options.
Is that even a question?
Simeone has worked his way without a world class team from the start - he created one. Beat Real and Barca to the title. Two times EL winner and 2 times CL finalist. Without enormous amount of money still has one of the top 5 squads in the world as a unit.
I can see people compare him with Zidane, but Poch... Come on.
Exactly my thoughts mate. Our wilderness years began in 2013. It will be another few years at LEAST before we potentially win the title again. We've turned into a cup side with occasional top 4 finishes, not terrible I suppose but not what a world-class club should be settling for. Our wilderness years are well and truly underway, it's just some fans are ostriches. And will continue to be until it's 2022 and then "ohhh….maybe we are in a rut".
He seems to get on fine with Daniel Levy who doesn’t bring any players in.
Of course it is, listening to some of the pundits you'd think we have this terrible squad that needs ripping up all over again, it's just not the case.
We need a few tweaks for sure, but the 'foundations' are more than there, they are simply underperforming.
Experience is one of a large number of factors that contribute to making someone a good manager. Tactical knowledge, communication skills, work ethic, leadership, ability to handle pressure, ambition etc. There are dozens of factors and a lot of these can be displayed as a player, Hagi once said that players used to consider the last 5 years of their playing career as an audition for a job in coaching. This is why a lot of the great managers to ever do the job have been former players, that holds true going back much further than Pep and Zidane. Of course there are also a lot of former players who ended up being terrible managers much like any other job. Understanding the culture of a club is also a huge benefit which former players obviously have a priviliged insight to.
We are the only club I know who's fans feel as though their club is somewhat above this.
Pep and Zidane have been manager of team B in both clubs and the board knew exactly how their thinking and tactical working are going to be. It wasn't a surprise for anyone how they played or how they set up a team. It was just lack of experience.
On the other hand, we know square root of nothing about Giggs tactical plan.
If Mourinho goes, we may try to go for Jardim or Poch from the unproven managers, otherwise Zidane or Allegri from the proven ones.
But Levy is also happy to let players go Pochettino doesnt want. They brought in that Janssen guy, Pochettino didnt like what he saw, he was loaned and sold. Same with the winger N'Kodu, brought in, not a part of Pochettino's plans, loaned out probably be sold.
That is not going to fly here if he identifies one of Woody's 'investments' as a player he doesnt want going forward. And as I said Pochettino seems quite ruthless about it at Spurs.